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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:40 am


BlizzardSkye
Warlock means oath breaker in old english


Using that meaning, I'd take it that the "original" warlocks were people who broke the oaths of the church and were marked as Satanic, thus putting them in league with Witches? 3nodding
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 4:56 am


kyrana kirri
BlizzardSkye
Warlock means oath breaker in old english
Using that meaning, I'd take it that the "original" warlocks were people who broke the oaths of the church and were marked as Satanic, thus putting them in league with Witches? 3nodding
Well lets see what else does it mean to warlock? I will use a quote from a somewhat reputable source.
matthew sandow
as has been correctly pointed out, the breaking of an oath
was of extreme importance at a time when a man's word was his bond.
The making of an oath was done with great care and consideration. However, what most people ignore (or are simply unaware of) is that the
definition of oathbreaker is NOT the only reference to the Warlock, and
indeed the Complete Oxford Dictionary has considerably more information. "This seems to have been the original sense of the present word,
but the special application to the Devil (either as a rebel, or a
deceiver) was already in OE the leading sense. The applications to
to sorcerers, with especial reference to the power of assuming
inhuman shapes, and to monsters (esp. serpents), appear to be
developments, partly due to Scriptural language, of the sense
"devil".

"The modern forms with final -(c)k are of obscure origin, for they
appear first in Sc. of the 16th c., and owe their spread to Sc.
writers, and so cannot represent, as has been assumed, a Southern
sound-substitution of (k) for the -ch (x) of some of the rarer
North and Sc. forms. From the first they they have been used in the
sense "wizard". Some other word, lost or not discovered , has perh.
influenced both form and sense." (OED 1991)

Thus in the 10th c. the monks had connected the Warlock to those who
worshiped the Old Gods (devils), and who refused to accept the Christian
God, or did so in a superficial manner (deceitful). They had indeed been
recognised as rebels. What is also recognised is that the word was
already old in the 10th c. there are many references which do not seem to make any sense. One of
these is the association with the word Charlock which applies to various
field weeds, and especially to species of the genus Sinapis, Mustard.
Mustard is a very common weed and is obviously associated with the Sun
(hot taste, small yellow flowers). It is also a very good blood purifier
and its use as a compress to relieve congestion of the lungs would have
been very handy in cold, misty climates such as Northern European Winter
and Melbourne in Summer.

Another reference is in connection to binding or securing. To warlock
(or warlocke) was to secure (a horse) as with a fetterlock. It is also
used in reference to securing a load onto a cart. In rural South
Australia where I grew up, bales of wool are loaded onto a semi-trailer
and secured with a length of rope, in the very simple but effective
manner of running a loop of rope around the entire load, then tightening
it with a windlass of two short poles set at cross angles to each other.
The rope is looped over the end of one pole and twisted around it with
the other. We call this a Spanish Windlass at home, but it is obviously
the same method with a different name. A Warlock is also used to mean a cairn or pile of stones (in
Scandinavian regions) which apparently served as beacons (lighthouses)
or as markers of territory. Another use of the term meant that a man
"warlocked" was magically immune to wounds inflicted by certain weapons
(commonly iron), which developed into the idea of being War-lucked.
Lastly the term meant "to bar against hostile invasion". So a warlocked
nation was one which was protected (by Warlocks) against invasion,
rather than being embroiled in a war inside its territory.

It must be acknowledged that much of my research has shown that the
Warlock was a warrior whose lifestyle was frequently violent and short.
It is easy to either glorify his acts of valour, or accuse him of being
a thug, revelling in bloodshed. What is more difficult is to recognise
the middle path between extremes, and recognise that in the "Good Old
Days" life was extraordinary difficult and frequently short; that
violence was a way of life and death. Men and Women had very different
roles to those of today, and indeed that may be good reason in itself to
repudiate the idea of the Warlock. But I believe that in those days men
and women were more secure in their roles. Women ran the household and
indeed frequently were the owners of the land. Women probably had more
power and control over their lives than they do now.

Lozt_1


Relkin9

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:05 am


All correct. As it stands, I have known about most of that, but there were some facts even I had not found in my studies. Thank you Lozt. mrgreen
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 2:55 pm


you always seem to impress lozt_1 ninja 4laugh ninja

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 7:41 pm


MrsBHavin
you always seem to impress lozt_1 ninja 4laugh ninja


More info from Lost? sweet!

*looks*
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 8:38 pm


Dragon_lord27_27
MrsBHavin
you always seem to impress lozt_1 ninja 4laugh ninja


More info from Lost? sweet!

*looks*


Yup. As it stands, that was rather helpful, and like I said, I did not know some of that. mrgreen It just goes to show that even after 15 years of study, even I can miss stuff like that.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:36 pm


Relkin9
Dragon_lord27_27
MrsBHavin
you always seem to impress lozt_1 ninja 4laugh ninja


More info from Lost? sweet!

*looks*


Yup. As it stands, that was rather helpful, and like I said, I did not know some of that. mrgreen It just goes to show that even after 15 years of study, even I can miss stuff like that.

thats understandable lozt_1 has enlightened my world alot 4laugh
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 7:04 pm


MrsBHavin
Relkin9
Dragon_lord27_27
MrsBHavin
you always seem to impress lozt_1 ninja 4laugh ninja


More info from Lost? sweet!

*looks*


Yup. As it stands, that was rather helpful, and like I said, I did not know some of that. mrgreen It just goes to show that even after 15 years of study, even I can miss stuff like that.

thats understandable lozt_1 has enlightened my world alot 4laugh
The light that makes a Shadow. Out of the light steps the darkness... Who enlightens who lovely?

Lozt_1


Relkin9

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:07 pm


Lozt_1
MrsBHavin
Relkin9
Dragon_lord27_27
MrsBHavin
you always seem to impress lozt_1 ninja 4laugh ninja


More info from Lost? sweet!

*looks*


Yup. As it stands, that was rather helpful, and like I said, I did not know some of that. mrgreen It just goes to show that even after 15 years of study, even I can miss stuff like that.

thats understandable lozt_1 has enlightened my world alot 4laugh
The light that makes a Shadow. Out of the light steps the darkness... Who enlightens who lovely?


You guys can do this sort of stuff somewhere else, right? I mean, you are married, so that is not A problem, now is it? mrgreen
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:06 pm


"...as it is a word very rarely used in the magickal community. this old term of insult comes from Old English waer-loga: "traitor" or "liar". it once described a Witch who betrayed others to the witch hunters, and it is often used erroneously by mundanes to refer to male witches. Today, some wiccans may use the term for an initiated Witch who turns against the craft." -Oberon Zell-Ravenheart in "Grimoire for the Appentice Wizard" (with contributions from Ellen Evert Hopman, Raymod Buckland, Raven Grimassi, Patricia Telesco, Jesse Wolf Hardin, Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and other illustrious members of The Grey Council)

that is what my new book says a warlock is. i thought i might share this info... ninja

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 2:21 pm


MrsBHavin
"...as it is a word very rarely used in the magickal community. this old term of insult comes from Old English waer-loga: "traitor" or "liar". it once described a Witch who betrayed others to the witch hunters, and it is often used erroneously by mundanes to refer to male witches. Today, some wiccans may use the term for an initiated Witch who turns against the craft." -Oberon Zell-Ravenheart in "Grimoire for the Appentice Wizard" (with contributions from Ellen Evert Hopman, Raymod Buckland, Raven Grimassi, Patricia Telesco, Jesse Wolf Hardin, Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and other illustrious members of The Grey Council)

that is what my new book says a warlock is. i thought i might share this info... ninja


Well, next time ignore the magickal part, as that is not the correct spelling for the real thing. Some dumbass decided the k looked cool, and added it later.
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:05 pm


Relkin9
MrsBHavin
"...as it is a word very rarely used in the magickal community. this old term of insult comes from Old English waer-loga: "traitor" or "liar". it once described a Witch who betrayed others to the witch hunters, and it is often used erroneously by mundanes to refer to male witches. Today, some wiccans may use the term for an initiated Witch who turns against the craft." -Oberon Zell-Ravenheart in "Grimoire for the Appentice Wizard" (with contributions from Ellen Evert Hopman, Raymod Buckland, Raven Grimassi, Patricia Telesco, Jesse Wolf Hardin, Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and other illustrious members of The Grey Council)

that is what my new book says a warlock is. i thought i might share this info... ninja


Well, next time ignore the magickal part, as that is not the correct spelling for the real thing. Some dumbass decided the k looked cool, and added it later.


yes i know but i just typed what the book said i know how to spell magic so dont get all ansy kk

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:10 pm


MrsBHavin
Relkin9
MrsBHavin
"...as it is a word very rarely used in the magickal community. this old term of insult comes from Old English waer-loga: "traitor" or "liar". it once described a Witch who betrayed others to the witch hunters, and it is often used erroneously by mundanes to refer to male witches. Today, some wiccans may use the term for an initiated Witch who turns against the craft." -Oberon Zell-Ravenheart in "Grimoire for the Appentice Wizard" (with contributions from Ellen Evert Hopman, Raymod Buckland, Raven Grimassi, Patricia Telesco, Jesse Wolf Hardin, Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and other illustrious members of The Grey Council)

that is what my new book says a warlock is. i thought i might share this info... ninja


Well, next time ignore the magickal part, as that is not the correct spelling for the real thing. Some dumbass decided the k looked cool, and added it later.


yes i know but i just typed what the book said i know how to spell magic so dont get all ansy kk


Sorry. Anyway, as it is, I was just pointing that out, and if that is what the book says, ignore it, as the moron writing it obviously has no clue what they are talking about.
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:11 pm


Relkin9
MrsBHavin
"...as it is a word very rarely used in the magickal community. this old term of insult comes from Old English waer-loga: "traitor" or "liar". it once described a Witch who betrayed others to the witch hunters, and it is often used erroneously by mundanes to refer to male witches. Today, some wiccans may use the term for an initiated Witch who turns against the craft." -Oberon Zell-Ravenheart in "Grimoire for the Appentice Wizard" (with contributions from Ellen Evert Hopman, Raymod Buckland, Raven Grimassi, Patricia Telesco, Jesse Wolf Hardin, Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and other illustrious members of The Grey Council)

that is what my new book says a warlock is. i thought i might share this info... ninja


Well, next time ignore the magickal part, as that is not the correct spelling for the real thing. Some dumbass decided the k looked cool, and added it later.
Alister Crowley IIRC added the K as to seperate magic the falicy of the craft from the actual practice of Magick...

Lozt_1


Relkin9

PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 8:04 pm


Lozt_1
Relkin9
MrsBHavin
"...as it is a word very rarely used in the magickal community. this old term of insult comes from Old English waer-loga: "traitor" or "liar". it once described a Witch who betrayed others to the witch hunters, and it is often used erroneously by mundanes to refer to male witches. Today, some wiccans may use the term for an initiated Witch who turns against the craft." -Oberon Zell-Ravenheart in "Grimoire for the Appentice Wizard" (with contributions from Ellen Evert Hopman, Raymod Buckland, Raven Grimassi, Patricia Telesco, Jesse Wolf Hardin, Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and other illustrious members of The Grey Council)

that is what my new book says a warlock is. i thought i might share this info... ninja


Well, next time ignore the magickal part, as that is not the correct spelling for the real thing. Some dumbass decided the k looked cool, and added it later.
Alister Crowley IIRC added the K as to seperate magic the falicy of the craft from the actual practice of Magick...


Regardless, it is an innappropriate spelling, and should not be used by anyone that is learned.
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