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 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:40 pm
Kyrenx @ Archolite - Maybe his name is that way just to confuse you! You'd think, "Haha, a crappy fire-type team is coming... OH NOZZZ! He's running water instead!?!? Foiled once again!!!"
Speaking of which, I'd like to register for this tournament as a crappy Fire-type team.
PO Name: Kyrenx
B/W FC: 1893-0532-9865
Now if I defeat any of you with this type, you should greatly feel ashamed. xd It'd be REALLY sad if I lost to you hahah
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:51 pm
Archolite nujumkh Archolite nujumkh Archolite Kyrenx @ Archolite - Maybe his name is that way just to confuse you! You'd think, "Haha, a crappy fire-type team is coming... OH NOZZZ! He's running water instead!?!? Foiled once again!!!"
Speaking of which, I'd like to register for this tournament as a crappy Fire-type team.
PO Name: Kyrenx
B/W FC: 1893-0532-9865
Now if I defeat any of you with this type, you should greatly feel ashamed. xd Well, his name was like that for a while though.. And I'm kinda the one that pointed it out.. And I didn't see this coming despite a certain PM... Ah well, now I'm not the only one with a SR weakness. Though, you got Rapid Spin support (I am so jelly). I don't feel like using a scarf Delibird just for a reliable Rapid Spin. XD And I don't think I'll feel that ashamed if I lose, though I'm feeling pretty confident. And so this is why Cormini thought to give an extra legendary to Fire... Don't V-Create please. DX I have no Flash Fire... I'm scared to death of that move... Anyway, best of luck~ (Btw, my PO account name is "Archolite", just like gaia) fire teams are allowed two legendaries ?? Yes, Cormini changed that rule a couple pages ago. Fire types are really lacking, and an additional legendary helps even things out a bit. really? i mean lemme think there are charizard, infernape, blaziken, emboar, arcanine, thphlosion, ninetales, houdour, heatmor, magmorter...you know i can think of any more sad and theres ot a lot of type variation either... First, I think you mean Houndoom. Second, how many of those pokes are actually good and to be considered on Standard teams? Just Infernape, possibly Emboar. Charizard gets mauled by SR and can do little to make up for it. Blaziken's Speed Boost is banned, and he's basically useless without it. Ninetales is only good because of Drought, Arcanine is decent, Typhlosion is practically garbage with coverage, but better Heatmor. Heatmor has awful defenses and low Speed. He isn't doing much. And Magmortar has low speed too. Fire is debatably the worst type. In general Stealth Rock murder them (Though, it's the same story with Flying, and we do not even have a Rapid Spinner like Fire does). And without legends it's even worse. It has good legends, so that helps, but it's still a very difficult type to use. And those pokes you mentioned don't aid these losses in the least. Infernape is good, but easily revenge killed by anything faster than him or with a strong priority move. Same story with Emboar assuming he's the usual Scarf version. But Fire is still manageable with the right preparations, so I could see Kyren still making a spot. We shall see, won't we? now there i can disagree with you. my magmorter has a speed of 280, which i consider faster than a lot of pokemon, charizard has a wide enough variety of attacks, blaziken (in my oppinion) isn't half bad, dut chances are he'll be knocked out by other types. thyphlosions actually kindof cheap because he has a really high sp. attack and speed and my arcanin helped me beat the clair's gym back in hg when he was two levels under her pokemon. (mostly cause of thunderfang though XD)
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:07 pm
nujumkh now there i can disagree with you. my magmorter has a speed of 280, which i consider faster than a lot of pokemon, charizard has a wide enough variety of attacks, blaziken (in my oppinion) isn't half bad, dut chances are he'll be knocked out by other types. thyphlosions actually kindof cheap because he has a really high sp. attack and speed and my arcanin helped me beat the clair's gym back in hg when he was two levels under her pokemon. (mostly cause of thunderfang though XD) And I'll disprove (most) of this for Arch. Without a Scarf, 280 isn't fast. At all. Most sweepers have speeds in teh mid-300s if not higher. 280 is easily outsped, and with Fire's common weaknesses, easily beaten down. Charizard does have a good range of attacks, true, but short of the Belly-Salac or Choice sets, it isn't really able to take advantage of it. And SR simply murders it. Without Rapid Spin support, Charizard goes down pretty fast. Blaziken, though yes, not bad, is outclassed by Infernape when it doesn't have Speed Boost. But since that was banned, Blaziken is simply outclassed. Typhlosion's admittedly fantastic SpAtk and reasonable Speed are rendered moot by the evident lack of coverage. The only useful Special attacks it has are Fire moves, Focus Blast, and Hidden Power. And when something has to rely on Hidden Power for coverage, it's clear that its movepool is dirt poor. Arcanine is good. Not very good, but good. Although, your defeat of Clair's gym doesn't really prove anything on how it would fare in competitive battling. Stealth Rock takes a chunk from its HP, Morning Sun is reduced in effectiveness by the ever-prevalent Sandstorm, and Life Orb (one of the best items to use on it) drops its HP further. It does, however get Flare Blitz and Extremespeed, both of which are amazing physical attacks.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:54 pm
Gamefreak41495 nujumkh now there i can disagree with you. my magmorter has a speed of 280, which i consider faster than a lot of pokemon, charizard has a wide enough variety of attacks, blaziken (in my oppinion) isn't half bad, dut chances are he'll be knocked out by other types. thyphlosions actually kindof cheap because he has a really high sp. attack and speed and my arcanin helped me beat the clair's gym back in hg when he was two levels under her pokemon. (mostly cause of thunderfang though XD) And I'll disprove (most) of this for Arch. Without a Scarf, 280 isn't fast. At all. Most sweepers have speeds in teh mid-300s if not higher. 280 is easily outsped, and with Fire's common weaknesses, easily beaten down. Charizard does have a good range of attacks, true, but short of the Belly-Salac or Choice sets, it isn't really able to take advantage of it. And SR simply murders it. Without Rapid Spin support, Charizard goes down pretty fast. Blaziken, though yes, not bad, is outclassed by Infernape when it doesn't have Speed Boost. But since that was banned, Blaziken is simply outclassed. Typhlosion's admittedly fantastic SpAtk and reasonable Speed are rendered moot by the evident lack of coverage. The only useful Special attacks it has are Fire moves, Focus Blast, and Hidden Power. And when something has to rely on Hidden Power for coverage, it's clear that its movepool is dirt poor. Arcanine is good. Not very good, but good. Although, your defeat of Clair's gym doesn't really prove anything on how it would fare in competitive battling. Stealth Rock takes a chunk from its HP, Morning Sun is reduced in effectiveness by the ever-prevalent Sandstorm, and Life Orb (one of the best items to use on it) drops its HP further. It does, however get Flare Blitz and Extremespeed, both of which are amazing physical attacks. Couldn't have said it better, my friend. Magmortar is indeed slow. And thus, easily revenge killed by most any sweeper. He just doesn't have the speed (or defenses) to cover this. Charizard wouldn't be bad if he had some kind of immunity to SR, but he doesn't and thus isn't reliable in the least. Typhlosion is okay, but what will he do against the likes of Bulky Waters (Specifically Jellicent). Even Hidden Power [Electric/Grass] won't save you from this guy or any of them really. Plus Focus Blast's accuracy is no where near reliable. And just basically everything Gamefreak said makes Fire a really hard type to use. I mean, they have some decent pokes, but they don't mix well together. They don't have the variety to make up for their losses either. Being weak to Ground and Rock hurts a lot too. Those two types can be seen often together on the same pokemon. Such as Rhyperior because they offer good coverage and he gets STAB from both. Every Fire type pokemon in existance is weak to one or the other, so a Rock/Ground coverage will maul Fire teams too. So, I could see Fire teams having a lot of trouble with a Gliscor with Rock Slide and EQ, who outspeeds Magmortar and a good majority of them. And Infernape being the fastest Fire Type, Starmie will give Fire teams hell, especially because there are no Fire types that resist Water. So Water teams in general are going to be quite a challenge. Well, good luck to Kyren, he's got quite some odds against him.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:04 pm
When are we starting the tournament btw? I thought I read somewhere that July 17th was the day we'd start it but...... that didnt happen hahah
Edit: Okay, maybe I misread that date. I'm ready to go whenever though x]
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:40 pm
And here I was getting ready to state those very facts. Looks like Gamefreak and Archolite saved me the trouble as well.
@Archolite: As far as fire type is concerned, I figure it being one the weakest types around, it may as well have some sort of help just so ti can atleast look sort of attractive. As for Kyren's thought in using it, that was pure coincidence. You and your crazy comspiracies. . razz
@Flame_Haze: The 22nd is when the tournament will start. I hope everyone is almost ready.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:03 pm
does scoop lens count as a hax item?
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:34 pm
Archolite Well, good luck to Kyren, he's got quite some odds against him.
Maybe I'll even get more than a few L's under my belt to start this generation off.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:50 pm
Kyrenx Archolite Well, good luck to Kyren, he's got quite some odds against him.
Maybe I'll even get more than a few L's under my belt to start this generation off. unless he's fighting my steel types sad
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:59 pm
Cormini @Flame_Haze: The 22nd is when the tournament will start. I hope everyone is almost ready. hey are we starting off with pokemon online or real battling
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:19 pm
@Nujumkh: You mean DS battling instead of real battling right? To answer your question, both.
@A B Up Start: Yes, it is a haxed item.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:34 pm
Cormini And here I was getting ready to state those very facts. Looks like Gamefreak and Archolite saved me the trouble as well. @Archolite: As far as fire type is concerned, I figure it being one the weakest types around, it may as well have some sort of help just so ti can atleast look sort of attractive. As for Kyren's thought in using it, that was pure coincidence. You and your crazy comspiracies. . razz Fer sure. Poison has the crappiest offensive coverage though. XD Super effective against one type. And Grass isn't that common either. (Ironically enough, a secondary Grass type for a Fire pokemon would greatly benefit thanks to not being weak to Ground or Water) Poor poison.. But nah, they make up for it. Least they aren't weak to SR... And yeah right, we all know he bribed you. xp You and your bowls of corn... I know you like corn, man, but you can't bend the rules for food (Espeically corn...). xd
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:09 am
Gamefreak41495 nujumkh now there i can disagree with you. my magmorter has a speed of 280, which i consider faster than a lot of pokemon, charizard has a wide enough variety of attacks, blaziken (in my oppinion) isn't half bad, dut chances are he'll be knocked out by other types. thyphlosions actually kindof cheap because he has a really high sp. attack and speed and my arcanin helped me beat the clair's gym back in hg when he was two levels under her pokemon. (mostly cause of thunderfang though XD) And I'll disprove (most) of this for Arch. Without a Scarf, 280 isn't fast. At all. Most sweepers have speeds in teh mid-300s if not higher. 280 is easily outsped, and with Fire's common weaknesses, easily beaten down. Charizard does have a good range of attacks, true, but short of the Belly-Salac or Choice sets, it isn't really able to take advantage of it. And SR simply murders it. Without Rapid Spin support, Charizard goes down pretty fast. Blaziken, though yes, not bad, is outclassed by Infernape when it doesn't have Speed Boost. But since that was banned, Blaziken is simply outclassed. Typhlosion's admittedly fantastic SpAtk and reasonable Speed are rendered moot by the evident lack of coverage. The only useful Special attacks it has are Fire moves, Focus Blast, and Hidden Power. And when something has to rely on Hidden Power for coverage, it's clear that its movepool is dirt poor. Arcanine is good. Not very good, but good. Although, your defeat of Clair's gym doesn't really prove anything on how it would fare in competitive battling. Stealth Rock takes a chunk from its HP, Morning Sun is reduced in effectiveness by the ever-prevalent Sandstorm, and Life Orb (one of the best items to use on it) drops its HP further. It does, however get Flare Blitz and Extremespeed, both of which are amazing physical attacks. Dont Charizard and Typlosion have the same base stats? Rotom-H Ninetales Arcanine (CloseCombat FTW) Infernape
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:59 am
Lord Shadow IX Gamefreak41495 nujumkh now there i can disagree with you. my magmorter has a speed of 280, which i consider faster than a lot of pokemon, charizard has a wide enough variety of attacks, blaziken (in my oppinion) isn't half bad, dut chances are he'll be knocked out by other types. thyphlosions actually kindof cheap because he has a really high sp. attack and speed and my arcanin helped me beat the clair's gym back in hg when he was two levels under her pokemon. (mostly cause of thunderfang though XD) And I'll disprove (most) of this for Arch. Without a Scarf, 280 isn't fast. At all. Most sweepers have speeds in teh mid-300s if not higher. 280 is easily outsped, and with Fire's common weaknesses, easily beaten down. Charizard does have a good range of attacks, true, but short of the Belly-Salac or Choice sets, it isn't really able to take advantage of it. And SR simply murders it. Without Rapid Spin support, Charizard goes down pretty fast. Blaziken, though yes, not bad, is outclassed by Infernape when it doesn't have Speed Boost. But since that was banned, Blaziken is simply outclassed. Typhlosion's admittedly fantastic SpAtk and reasonable Speed are rendered moot by the evident lack of coverage. The only useful Special attacks it has are Fire moves, Focus Blast, and Hidden Power. And when something has to rely on Hidden Power for coverage, it's clear that its movepool is dirt poor. Arcanine is good. Not very good, but good. Although, your defeat of Clair's gym doesn't really prove anything on how it would fare in competitive battling. Stealth Rock takes a chunk from its HP, Morning Sun is reduced in effectiveness by the ever-prevalent Sandstorm, and Life Orb (one of the best items to use on it) drops its HP further. It does, however get Flare Blitz and Extremespeed, both of which are amazing physical attacks. Dont Charizard and Typlosion have the same base stats? Rotom-H Ninetales Arcanine (CloseCombat FTW) Infernape What the hell? They do have the exact same stats... How did I miss that? Well, they both still fail. And I always forget Arcanine learns Close Combat. Smogon doesn't even mention it once or have it listed in his moves (Though Serebii does say it's an Egg Move). That's crazy...
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:28 am
Archolite Lord Shadow IX Gamefreak41495 nujumkh now there i can disagree with you. my magmorter has a speed of 280, which i consider faster than a lot of pokemon, charizard has a wide enough variety of attacks, blaziken (in my oppinion) isn't half bad, dut chances are he'll be knocked out by other types. thyphlosions actually kindof cheap because he has a really high sp. attack and speed and my arcanin helped me beat the clair's gym back in hg when he was two levels under her pokemon. (mostly cause of thunderfang though XD) And I'll disprove (most) of this for Arch. Without a Scarf, 280 isn't fast. At all. Most sweepers have speeds in teh mid-300s if not higher. 280 is easily outsped, and with Fire's common weaknesses, easily beaten down. Charizard does have a good range of attacks, true, but short of the Belly-Salac or Choice sets, it isn't really able to take advantage of it. And SR simply murders it. Without Rapid Spin support, Charizard goes down pretty fast. Blaziken, though yes, not bad, is outclassed by Infernape when it doesn't have Speed Boost. But since that was banned, Blaziken is simply outclassed. Typhlosion's admittedly fantastic SpAtk and reasonable Speed are rendered moot by the evident lack of coverage. The only useful Special attacks it has are Fire moves, Focus Blast, and Hidden Power. And when something has to rely on Hidden Power for coverage, it's clear that its movepool is dirt poor. Arcanine is good. Not very good, but good. Although, your defeat of Clair's gym doesn't really prove anything on how it would fare in competitive battling. Stealth Rock takes a chunk from its HP, Morning Sun is reduced in effectiveness by the ever-prevalent Sandstorm, and Life Orb (one of the best items to use on it) drops its HP further. It does, however get Flare Blitz and Extremespeed, both of which are amazing physical attacks. Dont Charizard and Typlosion have the same base stats? Rotom-H Ninetales Arcanine (CloseCombat FTW) Infernape What the hell? They do have the exact same stats... How did I miss that? Well, they both still fail. And I always forget Arcanine learns Close Combat. Smogon doesn't even mention it once or have it listed in his moves (Though Serebii does say it's an Egg Move). That's crazy... It also gets Wild Charge. It's actually pretty useable.
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