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Okay, I'm posting this MSN conversation for the sake of keeping my opponent's arguments in tact exactly as he made them:
Bear says:
No, I get you. It took me a solid second or two to figure out how to counter it.
So, just to be clear, you're circling around my right side?
Kate says:
weren't you hitting ace with the arm closest to him?
*Jace
that's seriously what I was thinking..
Bear says:
As in, you're looking in my direction while strafing to get behind me?
Kate says:
what?
Back up.
Jace is stabbing with his right hand in my last post.
So at your left side, correct?
Bear says:
Right. And I'm striking with my left arm...
Kate says:
So THAT's the side he's ducking under
under your left arm, around your left flank.
Bear says:
See, but my issue is you're ducking UNDER a DOWNWARD strike... you're trying to move on intersecting planes.
Kate says:
well, I'm whipping around theoretically before your strike comes down
he's already crouched so it's just a matter of flanking you.
and my post explains why I believe I would have enough time to do that.
Bear says:
-pause-
Kate says:
not fully crouched, mind you, but generally bent forward
and lower, and yeah.
Bear says:
See, but you said your character had to drop his shoulder before ducking, and my arms are already raised... you're already BELOW my arm, so assuming that our reaction times are equal, that our brains fire at the same speed, than you would be drawing as my blow would be descending. I tried to make it clear that I was reacting the same time you were. Since your arm was pinned to your side, it would be impossible to draw your knife while still in my grip, and as you start to duck, I'm starting my strike.
Kate says:
But the thing is.. you couldn't have started morphing until you realized Jace was out of your grip.
wherein he was already unsheathing.
Bear says:
Right... so as you're wiggling out of my grip, I realize what you're doing, you're ducking & drawing, I'm striking & morphing.
Kate says:
you still have to draw back to strike.
otherwise there'd be no.. force?
Bear says:
No, there would, because you're ducking underneath my arm.
Kate says:
so you're just going to drop your arm??
the, two inches?
there's no power in that..
in order to crush his shoulderblade you would have HAD to draw back first - -striking from a distance of two inches isn't going to do that kind of damage.
er, shoulder, not blade.
Bear says:
hold your arm out in front of you, parrallel to the ground... now imagine someone hunched over infront of you... now think of karate chopping that person in the neck, except now your arm is a ten pound sledgehammer. Does it need to be powerful? And I could still generate power from my hips, turning slightly to strike, but my character's plan was to do this at the moment o the strike, not overcomitting.
And I think it's his clavicle.
Kate says:
I'm sorry, I'm not buying..
even a ten pound sledgehammer is not going to do damage when thrust only two inches or so.
Bear says:
Really? When you're hammering a nail home, you only swing the hammer about an inch or two.
No, I get you. It took me a solid second or two to figure out how to counter it.
So, just to be clear, you're circling around my right side?
Kate says:
weren't you hitting ace with the arm closest to him?
*Jace
that's seriously what I was thinking..
Bear says:
As in, you're looking in my direction while strafing to get behind me?
Kate says:
what?
Back up.
Jace is stabbing with his right hand in my last post.
So at your left side, correct?
Bear says:
Right. And I'm striking with my left arm...
Kate says:
So THAT's the side he's ducking under
under your left arm, around your left flank.
Bear says:
See, but my issue is you're ducking UNDER a DOWNWARD strike... you're trying to move on intersecting planes.
Kate says:
well, I'm whipping around theoretically before your strike comes down
he's already crouched so it's just a matter of flanking you.
and my post explains why I believe I would have enough time to do that.
Bear says:
-pause-
Kate says:
not fully crouched, mind you, but generally bent forward
and lower, and yeah.
Bear says:
See, but you said your character had to drop his shoulder before ducking, and my arms are already raised... you're already BELOW my arm, so assuming that our reaction times are equal, that our brains fire at the same speed, than you would be drawing as my blow would be descending. I tried to make it clear that I was reacting the same time you were. Since your arm was pinned to your side, it would be impossible to draw your knife while still in my grip, and as you start to duck, I'm starting my strike.
Kate says:
But the thing is.. you couldn't have started morphing until you realized Jace was out of your grip.
wherein he was already unsheathing.
Bear says:
Right... so as you're wiggling out of my grip, I realize what you're doing, you're ducking & drawing, I'm striking & morphing.
Kate says:
you still have to draw back to strike.
otherwise there'd be no.. force?
Bear says:
No, there would, because you're ducking underneath my arm.
Kate says:
so you're just going to drop your arm??
the, two inches?
there's no power in that..
in order to crush his shoulderblade you would have HAD to draw back first - -striking from a distance of two inches isn't going to do that kind of damage.
er, shoulder, not blade.
Bear says:
hold your arm out in front of you, parrallel to the ground... now imagine someone hunched over infront of you... now think of karate chopping that person in the neck, except now your arm is a ten pound sledgehammer. Does it need to be powerful? And I could still generate power from my hips, turning slightly to strike, but my character's plan was to do this at the moment o the strike, not overcomitting.
And I think it's his clavicle.
Kate says:
I'm sorry, I'm not buying..
even a ten pound sledgehammer is not going to do damage when thrust only two inches or so.
Bear says:
Really? When you're hammering a nail home, you only swing the hammer about an inch or two.
why is this important? I feel that in order for Null have gathered enough force to literally pulverize bone into dust as made clear in his post, he would have had to lift his arm, giving Jace room and time to duck beneath it. If he DIDN'T lift his arm, then there would have been nowhere near enough force to crush his shoulder or send Jace across the arena as he has done in his most recent post.
Tried to work it out on MSN but obviously, that wasn't happening.
and for the record, I've dropped a ten pound sledgehammer onto my toes from two-four inches.. and it hardly even hurt. /:
Ruling please?/Please advise.
Thanks.
In further note; her character has already responded to the 'two inch strike' in question, attempting to dodge it.
Also, dropping a sledgehammer is not the same as pushing a sledgehammer down into your toes.
