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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:38 pm
kingpinsqeezels The other day in the paper I read that homosexual couples in a town near mine have won a small victory. You can now file yourself under a domestic partnership and be recognized by the state as a couple. It isn't exactly a marriage license, but it's still a step up, and I was very excited. I think since Arkansas is in the "south" we kind of get a bad rap like the rest of the southern states do, but I think Arkansas has gotten a lot more tolerant since the whole Little Rock Central incident. I don't know if I already told you guys this, sorry if I'm repeating myself, but I was just happy about it. xp Nope- you haven't, but even if you did, it's still awesome to hear about. :3
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:58 am
Be careful about filing for domestic partnership status. Check a few things.
1. Are those records easily accessible by the general public, like straight marriages are? If you're not "out," this may be dangerous for you.
2. Does the domestic partnership registration confer any legal benefits upon the couple at all? Check for all the things that come with heterosexual marriage, such as: local, state, and federal tax breaks; the right to take a joint surname without paying additional fees and/or going through a waiting period of 30 to 90 days; right to joint tenancy (inheriting the lease to your home or apartment, should one of you die); the right to next-of-kin status, including power of attorney, hospital visitation, automatic inheritance, transfer of pension funds upon the pensioner's demise; the right to jointly adopt children or to share guardianship of minor children; the right to full spousal benefits from employers, including equal health and dental care. If you don't get these things, then there is no legal benefit whatsoever to registering.
3. Consider that in Nazi Germany, the German government first required people to register -- Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, foreign residents of Germany, and so on. Once they were on a list, which didn't confer any rights or benefits upon those who registered, those people who did register were the first to be called up and taken to the work camps and/or death camps. Now, do you really want to be on a list that confers no rights or benefits, that's publicly accessible, and that can be used to harm you if homosexuality is treated as a crime (which it still is, in many US states)?
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:54 pm
Divash Be careful about filing for domestic partnership status. Check a few things. 1. Are those records easily accessible by the general public, like straight marriages are? If you're not "out," this may be dangerous for you. 2. Does the domestic partnership registration confer any legal benefits upon the couple at all? Check for all the things that come with heterosexual marriage, such as: local, state, and federal tax breaks; the right to take a joint surname without paying additional fees and/or going through a waiting period of 30 to 90 days; right to joint tenancy (inheriting the lease to your home or apartment, should one of you die); the right to next-of-kin status, including power of attorney, hospital visitation, automatic inheritance, transfer of pension funds upon the pensioner's demise; the right to jointly adopt children or to share guardianship of minor children; the right to full spousal benefits from employers, including equal health and dental care. If you don't get these things, then there is no legal benefit whatsoever to registering. 3. Consider that in Nazi Germany, the German government first required people to register -- Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, foreign residents of Germany, and so on. Once they were on a list, which didn't confer any rights or benefits upon those who registered, those people who did register were the first to be called up and taken to the work camps and/or death camps. Now, do you really want to be on a list that confers no rights or benefits, that's publicly accessible, and that can be used to harm you if homosexuality is treated as a crime (which it still is, in many US states)? Honestly, I wouldn't worry about the United States becoming like Nazi Germany in that aspect. I think everyone learned from the mistakes of the Nazi regime when it comes to blacklisting a huge group of people like that. Gay people won't need to worry about going to prison camps if they get married.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:06 pm
[Raito] Divash Be careful about filing for domestic partnership status. Check a few things. 1. Are those records easily accessible by the general public, like straight marriages are? If you're not "out," this may be dangerous for you. 2. Does the domestic partnership registration confer any legal benefits upon the couple at all? Check for all the things that come with heterosexual marriage, such as: local, state, and federal tax breaks; the right to take a joint surname without paying additional fees and/or going through a waiting period of 30 to 90 days; right to joint tenancy (inheriting the lease to your home or apartment, should one of you die); the right to next-of-kin status, including power of attorney, hospital visitation, automatic inheritance, transfer of pension funds upon the pensioner's demise; the right to jointly adopt children or to share guardianship of minor children; the right to full spousal benefits from employers, including equal health and dental care. If you don't get these things, then there is no legal benefit whatsoever to registering. 3. Consider that in Nazi Germany, the German government first required people to register -- Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, foreign residents of Germany, and so on. Once they were on a list, which didn't confer any rights or benefits upon those who registered, those people who did register were the first to be called up and taken to the work camps and/or death camps. Now, do you really want to be on a list that confers no rights or benefits, that's publicly accessible, and that can be used to harm you if homosexuality is treated as a crime (which it still is, in many US states)? Honestly, I wouldn't worry about the United States becoming like Nazi Germany in that aspect. I think everyone learned from the mistakes of the Nazi regime when it comes to blacklisting a huge group of people like that. Gay people won't need to worry about going to prison camps if they get married. Don't be silly. America treats Arabs that way, and Hispanics to some degree. Racism, racial superiority, and other such trademarks of the Nazis are far from dead.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:10 pm
Dis Domnu [Raito] Divash Be careful about filing for domestic partnership status. Check a few things. 1. Are those records easily accessible by the general public, like straight marriages are? If you're not "out," this may be dangerous for you. 2. Does the domestic partnership registration confer any legal benefits upon the couple at all? Check for all the things that come with heterosexual marriage, such as: local, state, and federal tax breaks; the right to take a joint surname without paying additional fees and/or going through a waiting period of 30 to 90 days; right to joint tenancy (inheriting the lease to your home or apartment, should one of you die); the right to next-of-kin status, including power of attorney, hospital visitation, automatic inheritance, transfer of pension funds upon the pensioner's demise; the right to jointly adopt children or to share guardianship of minor children; the right to full spousal benefits from employers, including equal health and dental care. If you don't get these things, then there is no legal benefit whatsoever to registering. 3. Consider that in Nazi Germany, the German government first required people to register -- Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, foreign residents of Germany, and so on. Once they were on a list, which didn't confer any rights or benefits upon those who registered, those people who did register were the first to be called up and taken to the work camps and/or death camps. Now, do you really want to be on a list that confers no rights or benefits, that's publicly accessible, and that can be used to harm you if homosexuality is treated as a crime (which it still is, in many US states)? Honestly, I wouldn't worry about the United States becoming like Nazi Germany in that aspect. I think everyone learned from the mistakes of the Nazi regime when it comes to blacklisting a huge group of people like that. Gay people won't need to worry about going to prison camps if they get married. Don't be silly. America treats Arabs that way, and Hispanics to some degree. Racism, racial superiority, and other such trademarks of the Nazis are far from dead. Well I am sorry that you have that large misconceptions about Americans. I am not like that and many people I know are very accepting of other people.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:19 pm
[Raito] Dis Domnu [Raito] Divash Be careful about filing for domestic partnership status. Check a few things. 1. Are those records easily accessible by the general public, like straight marriages are? If you're not "out," this may be dangerous for you. 2. Does the domestic partnership registration confer any legal benefits upon the couple at all? Check for all the things that come with heterosexual marriage, such as: local, state, and federal tax breaks; the right to take a joint surname without paying additional fees and/or going through a waiting period of 30 to 90 days; right to joint tenancy (inheriting the lease to your home or apartment, should one of you die); the right to next-of-kin status, including power of attorney, hospital visitation, automatic inheritance, transfer of pension funds upon the pensioner's demise; the right to jointly adopt children or to share guardianship of minor children; the right to full spousal benefits from employers, including equal health and dental care. If you don't get these things, then there is no legal benefit whatsoever to registering. 3. Consider that in Nazi Germany, the German government first required people to register -- Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, foreign residents of Germany, and so on. Once they were on a list, which didn't confer any rights or benefits upon those who registered, those people who did register were the first to be called up and taken to the work camps and/or death camps. Now, do you really want to be on a list that confers no rights or benefits, that's publicly accessible, and that can be used to harm you if homosexuality is treated as a crime (which it still is, in many US states)? Honestly, I wouldn't worry about the United States becoming like Nazi Germany in that aspect. I think everyone learned from the mistakes of the Nazi regime when it comes to blacklisting a huge group of people like that. Gay people won't need to worry about going to prison camps if they get married. Don't be silly. America treats Arabs that way, and Hispanics to some degree. Racism, racial superiority, and other such trademarks of the Nazis are far from dead. Well I am sorry that you have that large misconceptions about Americans. I am not like that and many people I know are very accepting of other people. Don't matter what the citizens feel. If the gov't decides to kill 'em, they die.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:21 pm
Dis Domnu [Raito] Dis Domnu [Raito] Divash Be careful about filing for domestic partnership status. Check a few things. 1. Are those records easily accessible by the general public, like straight marriages are? If you're not "out," this may be dangerous for you. 2. Does the domestic partnership registration confer any legal benefits upon the couple at all? Check for all the things that come with heterosexual marriage, such as: local, state, and federal tax breaks; the right to take a joint surname without paying additional fees and/or going through a waiting period of 30 to 90 days; right to joint tenancy (inheriting the lease to your home or apartment, should one of you die); the right to next-of-kin status, including power of attorney, hospital visitation, automatic inheritance, transfer of pension funds upon the pensioner's demise; the right to jointly adopt children or to share guardianship of minor children; the right to full spousal benefits from employers, including equal health and dental care. If you don't get these things, then there is no legal benefit whatsoever to registering. 3. Consider that in Nazi Germany, the German government first required people to register -- Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, foreign residents of Germany, and so on. Once they were on a list, which didn't confer any rights or benefits upon those who registered, those people who did register were the first to be called up and taken to the work camps and/or death camps. Now, do you really want to be on a list that confers no rights or benefits, that's publicly accessible, and that can be used to harm you if homosexuality is treated as a crime (which it still is, in many US states)? Honestly, I wouldn't worry about the United States becoming like Nazi Germany in that aspect. I think everyone learned from the mistakes of the Nazi regime when it comes to blacklisting a huge group of people like that. Gay people won't need to worry about going to prison camps if they get married. Don't be silly. America treats Arabs that way, and Hispanics to some degree. Racism, racial superiority, and other such trademarks of the Nazis are far from dead. Well I am sorry that you have that large misconceptions about Americans. I am not like that and many people I know are very accepting of other people. Don't matter what the citizens feel. If the gov't decides to kill 'em, they die. Do you really think that the United States government would do that? Especially seeing the fact that the Liberals are in charge of Congress right now.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:27 pm
[Raito] Dis Domnu [Raito] Dis Domnu [Raito] Divash Be careful about filing for domestic partnership status. Check a few things. 1. Are those records easily accessible by the general public, like straight marriages are? If you're not "out," this may be dangerous for you. 2. Does the domestic partnership registration confer any legal benefits upon the couple at all? Check for all the things that come with heterosexual marriage, such as: local, state, and federal tax breaks; the right to take a joint surname without paying additional fees and/or going through a waiting period of 30 to 90 days; right to joint tenancy (inheriting the lease to your home or apartment, should one of you die); the right to next-of-kin status, including power of attorney, hospital visitation, automatic inheritance, transfer of pension funds upon the pensioner's demise; the right to jointly adopt children or to share guardianship of minor children; the right to full spousal benefits from employers, including equal health and dental care. If you don't get these things, then there is no legal benefit whatsoever to registering. 3. Consider that in Nazi Germany, the German government first required people to register -- Jews, homosexuals, Catholics, foreign residents of Germany, and so on. Once they were on a list, which didn't confer any rights or benefits upon those who registered, those people who did register were the first to be called up and taken to the work camps and/or death camps. Now, do you really want to be on a list that confers no rights or benefits, that's publicly accessible, and that can be used to harm you if homosexuality is treated as a crime (which it still is, in many US states)? Honestly, I wouldn't worry about the United States becoming like Nazi Germany in that aspect. I think everyone learned from the mistakes of the Nazi regime when it comes to blacklisting a huge group of people like that. Gay people won't need to worry about going to prison camps if they get married. Don't be silly. America treats Arabs that way, and Hispanics to some degree. Racism, racial superiority, and other such trademarks of the Nazis are far from dead. Well I am sorry that you have that large misconceptions about Americans. I am not like that and many people I know are very accepting of other people. Don't matter what the citizens feel. If the gov't decides to kill 'em, they die. Do you really think that the United States government would do that? Especially seeing the fact that the Liberals are in charge of Congress right now. Do you really think that means anything? Gitmo is still open. Hispanics are still discriminated again. The war in Iraq is still being fought. The Democrats in Congress are no barrier.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:40 pm
Dis Domnu [Raito] Dis Domnu [Raito] Dis Domnu Don't be silly. America treats Arabs that way, and Hispanics to some degree. Racism, racial superiority, and other such trademarks of the Nazis are far from dead. Well I am sorry that you have that large misconceptions about Americans. I am not like that and many people I know are very accepting of other people. Don't matter what the citizens feel. If the gov't decides to kill 'em, they die. Do you really think that the United States government would do that? Especially seeing the fact that the Liberals are in charge of Congress right now. Do you really think that means anything? Gitmo is still open. Hispanics are still discriminated again. The war in Iraq is still being fought. The Democrats in Congress are no barrier. Hispanics are not being discriminated against, illegal immigrants are, and the War in Iraq is not being fought for reasons of hate, or bigotry, it is being fought for oil, and other reasons that our government is not telling the American people.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:48 pm
[Raito] Dis Domnu [Raito] Dis Domnu [Raito] Dis Domnu Don't be silly. America treats Arabs that way, and Hispanics to some degree. Racism, racial superiority, and other such trademarks of the Nazis are far from dead. Well I am sorry that you have that large misconceptions about Americans. I am not like that and many people I know are very accepting of other people. Don't matter what the citizens feel. If the gov't decides to kill 'em, they die. Do you really think that the United States government would do that? Especially seeing the fact that the Liberals are in charge of Congress right now. Do you really think that means anything? Gitmo is still open. Hispanics are still discriminated again. The war in Iraq is still being fought. The Democrats in Congress are no barrier. Hispanics are not being discriminated against, illegal immigrants are, and the War in Iraq is not being fought for reasons of hate, or bigotry, it is being fought for oil, and other reasons that our government is not telling the American people. People do discriminate against hispanics. Most of them do so by claiming that any hispanic is an illegal. And the Iraq war, no matter its reasons, is a good example of why a Democratic Congress can't stop ******** from happening. You can not rely on the Dems to stop such bullshit. It don't matter if it's because of bigotry or not, it's still a good example of how a "liberal congress" is unable to prevent such things from happening, or stop them once they start.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:01 pm
Dis Domnu [Raito] Dis Domnu [Raito] Dis Domnu Don't matter what the citizens feel. If the gov't decides to kill 'em, they die. Do you really think that the United States government would do that? Especially seeing the fact that the Liberals are in charge of Congress right now. Do you really think that means anything? Gitmo is still open. Hispanics are still discriminated again. The war in Iraq is still being fought. The Democrats in Congress are no barrier. Hispanics are not being discriminated against, illegal immigrants are, and the War in Iraq is not being fought for reasons of hate, or bigotry, it is being fought for oil, and other reasons that our government is not telling the American people. People do discriminate against hispanics. Most of them do so by claiming that any hispanic is an illegal. And the Iraq war, no matter its reasons, is a good example of why a Democratic Congress can't stop ******** from happening. You can not rely on the Dems to stop such bullshit. It don't matter if it's because of bigotry or not, it's still a good example of how a "liberal congress" is unable to prevent such things from happening, or stop them once they start. Just so you know, I do not depend on Democrats to solve anything, seeing as I am one of the most conservative people you will find. Honestly, I would rather not argue with you seeing as I just joined this guild and I am already on a thin line. All I am saying is that the gays will not be black listed like the Jewish people, and catholics were during the Holocaust.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:03 pm
Don't worry about arguing with me; I'm an ED-P reg, I can take it. wink
And all I was saying was that you couldn't rely on the gov't not to do so. There's nothing to stop the gov't from doing it.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:04 pm
Just a note- cut down on the quote trees, please!
And no offense, I do agree with Domnu on this one. Tons of people are discriminated against all the time- there's even hate groups where I live. A gay guy in my school got his locker trashed and belonging burned. Life is harsh, and America isn't exactly "land of the free" for many people anymore. blaugh
EDIT: And by the way, you're not a thin-line. If you say something inflammatory or bigoted, then yes, you would be. But if you've read any other threads here, you'll find people tend not to agree with each other. A lot. As long as everybody is respectful about doing so, then I have no problem with that. It's when I start getting pms from offended people that I start to worry.... xp
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:20 pm
Although you do have a point, there isn't anything stopping the government from black listing homosexuals, but the government has no reason too. Unless gays suddenly started banding up and burning down Christian churches, I don't think the government will actually take any action, even if the majority of Congress happens to be against homosexuality, they will be arguing too much on what to do and won't get anything done.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:25 am
The associate rabbi at the shul that I work for is gay. He even has a civil union. His partner just had his bar mitzvah acatually... I have to admit I was a little surprised at first but it doesn't really change who he is or his abilities to do his job.
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