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agnikai

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:49 pm


Amu Tsukiyomi-sama
agnikai
Amu Tsukiyomi-sama
*TACKLES*
AGNI!
Oh my goodness, I was starting to wonder! (naked turned away avvie wasn't helping that...^_^;; sorry...)
Well, mentally beat the composer. With rabid squirrels. Trained to not bite you, of course.

KeatonIshTak05

*glomps* I think we're just happy to know you're alive. ^^

MageQueenHoshi

OMG You are alive! *tackleglomps* We were concerned! <3<3

;w; Aw thanks for the concern emotion_bigheart I was just really busy cat_sweatdrop And whenever I had free time it wasn't much, and I knew getting on Gaia wouldn't take "just a few mnutes", so yeah x_x

I MISSED YOU ALL SO MUCH cat_crying

Hopefully this is the start of me getting back on Gaia more regularly cat_sweatdrop

It's okay. emotion_hug
emotion_hug emotion_bigheart
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:55 pm


agnikai
Amu Tsukiyomi-sama
agnikai
Amu Tsukiyomi-sama
*TACKLES*
AGNI!
Oh my goodness, I was starting to wonder! (naked turned away avvie wasn't helping that...^_^;; sorry...)
Well, mentally beat the composer. With rabid squirrels. Trained to not bite you, of course.

KeatonIshTak05

*glomps* I think we're just happy to know you're alive. ^^

MageQueenHoshi

OMG You are alive! *tackleglomps* We were concerned! <3<3

;w; Aw thanks for the concern emotion_bigheart I was just really busy cat_sweatdrop And whenever I had free time it wasn't much, and I knew getting on Gaia wouldn't take "just a few mnutes", so yeah x_x

I MISSED YOU ALL SO MUCH cat_crying

Hopefully this is the start of me getting back on Gaia more regularly cat_sweatdrop

It's okay. emotion_hug
emotion_hug emotion_bigheart

Put some shmexy clothes on your avvie!
I wants to kitty-snuggle!
or we could do TOPLESS HUGGLES! emotion_dowant
emotion_awesome

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agnikai

Dapper Werewolf

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:57 pm


Amu Tsukiyomi-sama
agnikai
Amu Tsukiyomi-sama
agnikai
Amu Tsukiyomi-sama
*TACKLES*
AGNI!
Oh my goodness, I was starting to wonder! (naked turned away avvie wasn't helping that...^_^;; sorry...)
Well, mentally beat the composer. With rabid squirrels. Trained to not bite you, of course.

KeatonIshTak05

*glomps* I think we're just happy to know you're alive. ^^

MageQueenHoshi

OMG You are alive! *tackleglomps* We were concerned! <3<3

;w; Aw thanks for the concern emotion_bigheart I was just really busy cat_sweatdrop And whenever I had free time it wasn't much, and I knew getting on Gaia wouldn't take "just a few mnutes", so yeah x_x

I MISSED YOU ALL SO MUCH cat_crying

Hopefully this is the start of me getting back on Gaia more regularly cat_sweatdrop

It's okay. emotion_hug
emotion_hug emotion_bigheart

Put some shmexy clothes on your avvie!
I wants to kitty-snuggle!
or we could do TOPLESS HUGGLES! emotion_dowant
emotion_awesome
But don't you like seeing my SEXEH BACK? emotion_awesome
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:15 pm


agnikai
Amu Tsukiyomi-sama
agnikai
Amu Tsukiyomi-sama
agnikai



;w; Aw thanks for the concern emotion_bigheart I was just really busy cat_sweatdrop And whenever I had free time it wasn't much, and I knew getting on Gaia wouldn't take "just a few mnutes", so yeah x_x

I MISSED YOU ALL SO MUCH cat_crying

Hopefully this is the start of me getting back on Gaia more regularly cat_sweatdrop

It's okay. emotion_hug
emotion_hug emotion_bigheart

Put some shmexy clothes on your avvie!
I wants to kitty-snuggle!
or we could do TOPLESS HUGGLES! emotion_dowant
emotion_awesome
But don't you like seeing my SEXEH BACK? emotion_awesome

but....clothes.......they're lots of fun!
and sexeh too...

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KuroKageHane

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:44 am


agnikai
KuroKageHane

Wait . . . . . . AGNI IS ALSO HAVING A BABY!??! o . o
ASDLKJDGSADFJKGAL WHY DIDN'T I KNOW THIS?!?! O . O
Congrats to her!~
I didn't know this either cat_gonk Kidding, though at the rate of busy-ness I have right now, I might as well x_x

First thing's first: AHHHHMIIIIGAWDDYOUREBAAAACK!! SADJFGUEIVBDSAJBJLFSLKLLLLL.
/glomps.
Second of all: LOOOOOL~ XD
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:50 am


agnikai
KuroKageHane
Amu Tsukiyomi-sama

agnikai

MageQueenHoshi

KeatonIshTak05

Seji-ojisan

GuNeko

I'm so sorry guys and gals, I've been so busy lately I din't even get to join the Halloween event, not even to log in to at least pick a side cat_crying I am still working on the art, I think I have the final sketches of two characters done and just needing coloring (which is so slow, I know x_x) so if you guys like you could begin with the anons already but just text...? cat_confused

EDIT: Also, I put HIATUS in my sig, but I'll still be peeking in from time to time (and doing the art offline of course) but just don't expect me to reply immediately. The orchestra's working on a concert and the music's so difficult, like I-wanna-slap-the-composer-with-my-viola kind of difficult, so..YEAH. x_x

It's alright Agni. As long as you're still coming back, I'll be happy to wait. emotion_hug
/sounded like a girl who just sent off her lover to join the army. o.o
Start the anons to advertise? Or actually incorporating the character within the anon?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:03 pm


Amu Tsukiyomi-sama

agnikai

MageQueenHoshi

KeatonIshTak05

Seji-ojisan

GuNeko


I know we said that 7 was going to be the max number, but Sellesion wants to join this too. Can we possibly squeeze her in?
She already has a character made too. O:
. . . there goes my 7 Sins theme . . .
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:42 pm


KuroKageHane
I know we said that 7 was going to be the max number, but Sellesion wants to join this too. Can we possibly squeeze her in?
She already has a character made too. O:
. . . there goes my 7 Sins theme . . .

Hm, I wouldn't mind but 7 -is- a good number. Take a vote? xD

MageQueenHoshi
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KuroKageHane

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:21 am


MageQueenHoshi
KuroKageHane
I know we said that 7 was going to be the max number, but Sellesion wants to join this too. Can we possibly squeeze her in?
She already has a character made too. O:
. . . there goes my 7 Sins theme . . .

Hm, I wouldn't mind but 7 -is- a good number. Take a vote? xD

Hmmm . . . true. I wouldn't mind too. The more the merrier~ ^^
I shall make a vote then~
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:40 am


KuroKageHane
Amu Tsukiyomi-sama

agnikai

MageQueenHoshi

KeatonIshTak05

Seji-ojisan

GuNeko


I know we said that 7 was going to be the max number, but Sellesion wants to join this too. Can we possibly squeeze her in?
She already has a character made too. O:
. . . there goes my 7 Sins theme . . .

Perhaps she could be a Protegee?
*does not know what Selle's character is*

Depending, then she could "help" whichever one of us seven her character is the most like.
That way it's still -technically- seven and Selle is still able to join in.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:30 pm


Sellesion

RandomKate


Oh wow! Okay I haven't seen anything that took place, but I've heard from two people already via text...

I talked to Gera already about getting the committee together that I wanted for the rules and such so we can keep having RPs on the thread... He can't do anything until winter break though and I doubt Auriga can do anything major until then too... but maybe we can use this a bit for now to discuss things that need to be tended to rule-wise...

I'm not angry or anything... but I did get frustrated enough that I told both Amu and Yuui that if drama keeps happening on the thread because of RPs, whether it has to do with them or not, that as threadmistress, I may have no other choice but to limit RPing to interactions with anon messages and mule accounts... I don't want to have to do that... but at least they both know I mean business anyway. sad
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:56 pm


suishohatake
Sellesion

RandomKate


Oh wow! Okay I haven't seen anything that took place, but I've heard from two people already via text...

I talked to Gera already about getting the committee together that I wanted for the rules and such so we can keep having RPs on the thread... He can't do anything until winter break though and I doubt Auriga can do anything major until then too... but maybe we can use this a bit for now to discuss things that need to be tended to rule-wise...

I'm angry or anything... but I did get frustrated enough that I told both Amu and Yuui that if drama keeps happening on the thread because of RPs, whether it has to do with them or not, that as threadmistress, I may have no other choice but to limit RPing to interactions with anon messages and mule accounts... I don't want to have to do that... but at least they both know I mean business anyway. sad

*nods affirmatively*
Well understood Suisho. :]

To begin with, I feel that a CLEAR definition of what we creepers consider as godmoding should be established. Though we all know basically what it is, it is often under debate weather a person actually did or not. It would help if we cleared that up.
Then, as what has caused issue not only today, but in several instances in the past, is the topic of death and revival.
Yuui was upset today because for a while Amu's ability to use water even after death seemed unfair. Amu's justyfycation about it is that it is tied to her soul and her character's species is a water fairy. Therefore, while a ghost, which is descirbed as a soul caught between this world and the next, logic would say she should be able to still command her abilities. My understanding of it is as follows:

Quote:
I know Amu. Its for those very same reasons that I never had an issue with it myself. And it always seemed to me that your control over your powers was limited as a ghost; took much more effort and practice. I always thought it was a unique character choice which allowed some form of communication even though you were dead, which allows you to not be excluded completely from the fun and the story of everything as it happens. If you have no way of communication, and people forget you're dead, no one will revive you, and then you'll be stuck out of the RP or otherwise be accused of god-moding and making people upset... so to me, using water while being a ghost was never too unreasonable. That's why I bother to be an angel. It was brought up in RP once that I was, so I stuck with it for continuity, even though my character Sellesion, really is a forest elf with water bending powers and intense training in the art of making and using archaic weaponry. ^^""
However, I do understand how Yuui could feel how he does. But I disagree with how he handled stuff.
Also, if he's going to be that way about you using your powers, then I think we need to see an end or compromise with this whole 'Steve" business as well.


Though I don't feel Amu's ability to use water as a ghost is unfair, I understand how Yuui can feel it is. But in the same light, things such as "Steve" coming around when Yuui dies, and being able to attack and get involved in everything should be considered equally as unfair because it allows him to circumvent the fact that he's dead; allowing death to hold no real limitations upon him. Same goes for anything of the like, which, many of us do.
Therefore, I feel that we should set clear limits as to how things like that can and cannot be done. For example, Under circumstances such as Amu and her water abilities:
1.) Is it clearly connected with the previous establishment of the character?
2.) Was it made common knowledge?
3.) How does it change after someone dies?

So, to me, Amu's ability was common knowledge, and was pre-established, so that makes it relatively fair because others can consider it when making their own actions.
What would make it unfair is if Amu after death still had complete and unlimited control over the water as if nothing happened; therefore making death pointless ect. No one really likes immortal sorts of characters.
But to my understanding, when dead, Amu's abilities had limits. Like she wasn't as strong, it took more energy, and for those reasons she couldn't do things such as attack without wiping herself from existence because ghosts are basically only energy. In this case, I find it fair. BECAUSE it has limits.

I think that unless we want to go the easy and boring route of basically cutting people out of the game once they die (Unless a healer bothers to remember that they're dead) then we need to come up with a fair set of limits for abilities after death, and make sure each RP'er takes responsibility for making their character's abilities and such known beforehand in order to still allow an equally fair amount of participation in RP for the dead.

(Hope that all makes sense)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:35 am


Sellesion
suishohatake
Sellesion

RandomKate


Oh wow! Okay I haven't seen anything that took place, but I've heard from two people already via text...

I talked to Gera already about getting the committee together that I wanted for the rules and such so we can keep having RPs on the thread... He can't do anything until winter break though and I doubt Auriga can do anything major until then too... but maybe we can use this a bit for now to discuss things that need to be tended to rule-wise...

I'm angry or anything... but I did get frustrated enough that I told both Amu and Yuui that if drama keeps happening on the thread because of RPs, whether it has to do with them or not, that as threadmistress, I may have no other choice but to limit RPing to interactions with anon messages and mule accounts... I don't want to have to do that... but at least they both know I mean business anyway. sad

*nods affirmatively*
Well understood Suisho. :]

To begin with, I feel that a CLEAR definition of what we creepers consider as godmoding should be established. Though we all know basically what it is, it is often under debate weather a person actually did or not. It would help if we cleared that up.
Then, as what has caused issue not only today, but in several instances in the past, is the topic of death and revival.
Yuui was upset today because for a while Amu's ability to use water even after death seemed unfair. Amu's justyfycation about it is that it is tied to her soul and her character's species is a water fairy. Therefore, while a ghost, which is descirbed as a soul caught between this world and the next, logic would say she should be able to still command her abilities. My understanding of it is as follows:

Quote:
I know Amu. Its for those very same reasons that I never had an issue with it myself. And it always seemed to me that your control over your powers was limited as a ghost; took much more effort and practice. I always thought it was a unique character choice which allowed some form of communication even though you were dead, which allows you to not be excluded completely from the fun and the story of everything as it happens. If you have no way of communication, and people forget you're dead, no one will revive you, and then you'll be stuck out of the RP or otherwise be accused of god-moding and making people upset... so to me, using water while being a ghost was never too unreasonable. That's why I bother to be an angel. It was brought up in RP once that I was, so I stuck with it for continuity, even though my character Sellesion, really is a forest elf with water bending powers and intense training in the art of making and using archaic weaponry. ^^""
However, I do understand how Yuui could feel how he does. But I disagree with how he handled stuff.
Also, if he's going to be that way about you using your powers, then I think we need to see an end or compromise with this whole 'Steve" business as well.


Though I don't feel Amu's ability to use water as a ghost is unfair, I understand how Yuui can feel it is. But in the same light, things such as "Steve" coming around when Yuui dies, and being able to attack and get involved in everything should be considered equally as unfair because it allows him to circumvent the fact that he's dead; allowing death to hold no real limitations upon him. Same goes for anything of the like, which, many of us do.
Therefore, I feel that we should set clear limits as to how things like that can and cannot be done. For example, Under circumstances such as Amu and her water abilities:
1.) Is it clearly connected with the previous establishment of the character?
2.) Was it made common knowledge?
3.) How does it change after someone dies?

So, to me, Amu's ability was common knowledge, and was pre-established, so that makes it relatively fair because others can consider it when making their own actions.
What would make it unfair is if Amu after death still had complete and unlimited control over the water as if nothing happened; therefore making death pointless ect. No one really likes immortal sorts of characters.
But to my understanding, when dead, Amu's abilities had limits. Like she wasn't as strong, it took more energy, and for those reasons she couldn't do things such as attack without wiping herself from existence because ghosts are basically only energy. In this case, I find it fair. BECAUSE it has limits.

I think that unless we want to go the easy and boring route of basically cutting people out of the game once they die (Unless a healer bothers to remember that they're dead) then we need to come up with a fair set of limits for abilities after death, and make sure each RP'er takes responsibility for making their character's abilities and such known beforehand in order to still allow an equally fair amount of participation in RP for the dead.

(Hope that all makes sense)


That all makes sense 3nodding

I agree with what you are saying... Some of us, the RP Suisho included, have vastly great powers, and it takes some creativity to come up with ways to keep from overtly godmodding. Most of our characters godmod to a certain extent and it adds some intrigue to things at times... but all things in moderation... I think a limit to that should be imposed... 3nodding Suisho became more powerful so that she would be less likely to die while carrying the baby inside of her, but she'd exhaust herself easier, which could leave her potentially vulnerable... that actually was based on how I was feeling at the time (exhausted), but also my way of establishing a balance. Personally, so long as whatever capabilities a character has, have an equal vulnerability established as well, I have no problem with advancing a character quickly... but I also feel that one's character can't do everything... One only has so much time in the world... so you can't really learn how to do everything... or at least not well anyway... if one wants to be a jack of all trades... they obviously won't be as good at shooting an arrow as someone who has established that they have trained for years as a ranged fighter, because that is what that person is specialized in...
Suisho is best at metalsmithing and reviving... Knowing a bit of magic, she can call herself a mage, but not a good one... for example, on the rare occasion that she becomes angry, she loses control and becomes a bit of a she-Hulk for awhile, lol. That's not to say Suisho is a perfect RP character by any means... I just try my best to make her fair and not so powerful that she keeps others from being able to do what she does or have fun doing whatever they are doing in the RP. I'm perfectly willing to amend her abilities though to accomodate whatever rules wind up imposed.

Also with the ghost stuff... I think a tiny bit of interaction via ghostliness is fine... like with Kate and the ice pillars to get Suisho's attention... I do think Kate's way of being a ghost is interesting... a slightly unpredictable way of handling her powers outside of the spirit world, but still being able to use them... however limited by exactly what you say... energy of their spirit... I do think unlimited interaction between ghosts can happen, though I feel ghostliness to be something of a neutral zone... I think some hijinks between the ghosts can easily occur for some fun while waiting for a war to be over, hehe
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:12 am


suishohatake
Sellesion
suishohatake
Sellesion

RandomKate


Oh wow! Okay I haven't seen anything that took place, but I've heard from two people already via text...

I talked to Gera already about getting the committee together that I wanted for the rules and such so we can keep having RPs on the thread... He can't do anything until winter break though and I doubt Auriga can do anything major until then too... but maybe we can use this a bit for now to discuss things that need to be tended to rule-wise...

I'm angry or anything... but I did get frustrated enough that I told both Amu and Yuui that if drama keeps happening on the thread because of RPs, whether it has to do with them or not, that as threadmistress, I may have no other choice but to limit RPing to interactions with anon messages and mule accounts... I don't want to have to do that... but at least they both know I mean business anyway. sad

*nods affirmatively*
Well understood Suisho. :]

To begin with, I feel that a CLEAR definition of what we creepers consider as godmoding should be established. Though we all know basically what it is, it is often under debate weather a person actually did or not. It would help if we cleared that up.
Then, as what has caused issue not only today, but in several instances in the past, is the topic of death and revival.
Yuui was upset today because for a while Amu's ability to use water even after death seemed unfair. Amu's justyfycation about it is that it is tied to her soul and her character's species is a water fairy. Therefore, while a ghost, which is descirbed as a soul caught between this world and the next, logic would say she should be able to still command her abilities. My understanding of it is as follows:

Quote:
I know Amu. Its for those very same reasons that I never had an issue with it myself. And it always seemed to me that your control over your powers was limited as a ghost; took much more effort and practice. I always thought it was a unique character choice which allowed some form of communication even though you were dead, which allows you to not be excluded completely from the fun and the story of everything as it happens. If you have no way of communication, and people forget you're dead, no one will revive you, and then you'll be stuck out of the RP or otherwise be accused of god-moding and making people upset... so to me, using water while being a ghost was never too unreasonable. That's why I bother to be an angel. It was brought up in RP once that I was, so I stuck with it for continuity, even though my character Sellesion, really is a forest elf with water bending powers and intense training in the art of making and using archaic weaponry. ^^""
However, I do understand how Yuui could feel how he does. But I disagree with how he handled stuff.
Also, if he's going to be that way about you using your powers, then I think we need to see an end or compromise with this whole 'Steve" business as well.


Though I don't feel Amu's ability to use water as a ghost is unfair, I understand how Yuui can feel it is. But in the same light, things such as "Steve" coming around when Yuui dies, and being able to attack and get involved in everything should be considered equally as unfair because it allows him to circumvent the fact that he's dead; allowing death to hold no real limitations upon him. Same goes for anything of the like, which, many of us do.
Therefore, I feel that we should set clear limits as to how things like that can and cannot be done. For example, Under circumstances such as Amu and her water abilities:
1.) Is it clearly connected with the previous establishment of the character?
2.) Was it made common knowledge?
3.) How does it change after someone dies?

So, to me, Amu's ability was common knowledge, and was pre-established, so that makes it relatively fair because others can consider it when making their own actions.
What would make it unfair is if Amu after death still had complete and unlimited control over the water as if nothing happened; therefore making death pointless ect. No one really likes immortal sorts of characters.
But to my understanding, when dead, Amu's abilities had limits. Like she wasn't as strong, it took more energy, and for those reasons she couldn't do things such as attack without wiping herself from existence because ghosts are basically only energy. In this case, I find it fair. BECAUSE it has limits.

I think that unless we want to go the easy and boring route of basically cutting people out of the game once they die (Unless a healer bothers to remember that they're dead) then we need to come up with a fair set of limits for abilities after death, and make sure each RP'er takes responsibility for making their character's abilities and such known beforehand in order to still allow an equally fair amount of participation in RP for the dead.

(Hope that all makes sense)


That all makes sense 3nodding

I agree with what you are saying... Some of us, the RP Suisho included, have vastly great powers, and it takes some creativity to come up with ways to keep from overtly godmodding. Most of our characters godmod to a certain extent and it adds some intrigue to things at times... but all things in moderation... I think a limit to that should be imposed... 3nodding Suisho became more powerful so that she would be less likely to die while carrying the baby inside of her, but she'd exhaust herself easier, which could leave her potentially vulnerable... that actually was based on how I was feeling at the time (exhausted), but also my way of establishing a balance. Personally, so long as whatever capabilities a character has, have an equal vulnerability established as well, I have no problem with advancing a character quickly... but I also feel that one's character can't do everything... One only has so much time in the world... so you can't really learn how to do everything... or at least not well anyway... if one wants to be a jack of all trades... they obviously won't be as good at shooting an arrow as someone who has established that they have trained for years as a ranged fighter, because that is what that person is specialized in...
Suisho is best at metalsmithing and reviving... Knowing a bit of magic, she can call herself a mage, but not a good one... for example, on the rare occasion that she becomes angry, she loses control and becomes a bit of a she-Hulk for awhile, lol. That's not to say Suisho is a perfect RP character by any means... I just try my best to make her fair and not so powerful that she keeps others from being able to do what she does or have fun doing whatever they are doing in the RP. I'm perfectly willing to amend her abilities though to accomodate whatever rules wind up imposed.

Also with the ghost stuff... I think a tiny bit of interaction via ghostliness is fine... like with Kate and the ice pillars to get Suisho's attention... I do think Kate's way of being a ghost is interesting... a slightly unpredictable way of handling her powers outside of the spirit world, but still being able to use them... however limited by exactly what you say... energy of their spirit... I do think unlimited interaction between ghosts can happen, though I feel ghostliness to be something of a neutral zone... I think some hijinks between the ghosts can easily occur for some fun while waiting for a war to be over, hehe

Thank you. emotion_yatta

Yes, exactly. 3nodding a balance must be maintained in order to make things fair and fun for everyone. If there is one person solely running the show it makes it very frustrating; like playing an all too linear game that doesn't let you make any choices.
Personally Suisho, I quite like how you manage your character in RP, it always seems logical, and I've never seen anyone have an issue. Much like a mother dragon of course- firey wrath but with an apparent weakness and clear boundries. A dragon who's domain is fire won't suddenly go swimming, breath ice, or spit acid. But their scales are tough and they have their own ways of doing things. Whilst all in all, some one else could still be a dragon, or come about and try to be a dragon slayer. Fair is fair.


And indeed, I do like Kate's ways of doing things. I remember that time. 3nodding I enjoy being able to interact with those who are dead in the occasional shenanigans- as you would expect with any ghost or poltergeist- and as I said I feel it's not only fair, but it keeps things interesting too. There is that other aspect though that you pointed out, and I realized I don't see a lot of it. People who are dead could easily interact with those who are also dead as if they were both alive because their on the same field of existence. That would make for only not an interesting turn of events or two to watch, but it would open doors for various activities for them to still have fun while they're "dead".

I feel that if we establish rules that allow for powers/abilities/whatnot, only, with limitations logical to the fact that they/we are ghosts, such as how Kate used the small ice pillars, then everyone could be satisfied. Especially if we point out that ghosts could interact more with one-another. I mean, it's not like there's only ever one of us dead at one time, and it would allow EVERYONE to potentially do things in death; one way or another, based on their own characters specifications. And since those specifications are up to them, they ought to be happy, yes?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:37 am


Sellesion
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Sellesion
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RandomKate


Oh wow! Okay I haven't seen anything that took place, but I've heard from two people already via text...

I talked to Gera already about getting the committee together that I wanted for the rules and such so we can keep having RPs on the thread... He can't do anything until winter break though and I doubt Auriga can do anything major until then too... but maybe we can use this a bit for now to discuss things that need to be tended to rule-wise...

I'm angry or anything... but I did get frustrated enough that I told both Amu and Yuui that if drama keeps happening on the thread because of RPs, whether it has to do with them or not, that as threadmistress, I may have no other choice but to limit RPing to interactions with anon messages and mule accounts... I don't want to have to do that... but at least they both know I mean business anyway. sad

*nods affirmatively*
Well understood Suisho. :]

To begin with, I feel that a CLEAR definition of what we creepers consider as godmoding should be established. Though we all know basically what it is, it is often under debate weather a person actually did or not. It would help if we cleared that up.
Then, as what has caused issue not only today, but in several instances in the past, is the topic of death and revival.
Yuui was upset today because for a while Amu's ability to use water even after death seemed unfair. Amu's justyfycation about it is that it is tied to her soul and her character's species is a water fairy. Therefore, while a ghost, which is descirbed as a soul caught between this world and the next, logic would say she should be able to still command her abilities. My understanding of it is as follows:

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I know Amu. Its for those very same reasons that I never had an issue with it myself. And it always seemed to me that your control over your powers was limited as a ghost; took much more effort and practice. I always thought it was a unique character choice which allowed some form of communication even though you were dead, which allows you to not be excluded completely from the fun and the story of everything as it happens. If you have no way of communication, and people forget you're dead, no one will revive you, and then you'll be stuck out of the RP or otherwise be accused of god-moding and making people upset... so to me, using water while being a ghost was never too unreasonable. That's why I bother to be an angel. It was brought up in RP once that I was, so I stuck with it for continuity, even though my character Sellesion, really is a forest elf with water bending powers and intense training in the art of making and using archaic weaponry. ^^""
However, I do understand how Yuui could feel how he does. But I disagree with how he handled stuff.
Also, if he's going to be that way about you using your powers, then I think we need to see an end or compromise with this whole 'Steve" business as well.


Though I don't feel Amu's ability to use water as a ghost is unfair, I understand how Yuui can feel it is. But in the same light, things such as "Steve" coming around when Yuui dies, and being able to attack and get involved in everything should be considered equally as unfair because it allows him to circumvent the fact that he's dead; allowing death to hold no real limitations upon him. Same goes for anything of the like, which, many of us do.
Therefore, I feel that we should set clear limits as to how things like that can and cannot be done. For example, Under circumstances such as Amu and her water abilities:
1.) Is it clearly connected with the previous establishment of the character?
2.) Was it made common knowledge?
3.) How does it change after someone dies?

So, to me, Amu's ability was common knowledge, and was pre-established, so that makes it relatively fair because others can consider it when making their own actions.
What would make it unfair is if Amu after death still had complete and unlimited control over the water as if nothing happened; therefore making death pointless ect. No one really likes immortal sorts of characters.
But to my understanding, when dead, Amu's abilities had limits. Like she wasn't as strong, it took more energy, and for those reasons she couldn't do things such as attack without wiping herself from existence because ghosts are basically only energy. In this case, I find it fair. BECAUSE it has limits.

I think that unless we want to go the easy and boring route of basically cutting people out of the game once they die (Unless a healer bothers to remember that they're dead) then we need to come up with a fair set of limits for abilities after death, and make sure each RP'er takes responsibility for making their character's abilities and such known beforehand in order to still allow an equally fair amount of participation in RP for the dead.

(Hope that all makes sense)


That all makes sense 3nodding

I agree with what you are saying... Some of us, the RP Suisho included, have vastly great powers, and it takes some creativity to come up with ways to keep from overtly godmodding. Most of our characters godmod to a certain extent and it adds some intrigue to things at times... but all things in moderation... I think a limit to that should be imposed... 3nodding Suisho became more powerful so that she would be less likely to die while carrying the baby inside of her, but she'd exhaust herself easier, which could leave her potentially vulnerable... that actually was based on how I was feeling at the time (exhausted), but also my way of establishing a balance. Personally, so long as whatever capabilities a character has, have an equal vulnerability established as well, I have no problem with advancing a character quickly... but I also feel that one's character can't do everything... One only has so much time in the world... so you can't really learn how to do everything... or at least not well anyway... if one wants to be a jack of all trades... they obviously won't be as good at shooting an arrow as someone who has established that they have trained for years as a ranged fighter, because that is what that person is specialized in...
Suisho is best at metalsmithing and reviving... Knowing a bit of magic, she can call herself a mage, but not a good one... for example, on the rare occasion that she becomes angry, she loses control and becomes a bit of a she-Hulk for awhile, lol. That's not to say Suisho is a perfect RP character by any means... I just try my best to make her fair and not so powerful that she keeps others from being able to do what she does or have fun doing whatever they are doing in the RP. I'm perfectly willing to amend her abilities though to accomodate whatever rules wind up imposed.

Also with the ghost stuff... I think a tiny bit of interaction via ghostliness is fine... like with Kate and the ice pillars to get Suisho's attention... I do think Kate's way of being a ghost is interesting... a slightly unpredictable way of handling her powers outside of the spirit world, but still being able to use them... however limited by exactly what you say... energy of their spirit... I do think unlimited interaction between ghosts can happen, though I feel ghostliness to be something of a neutral zone... I think some hijinks between the ghosts can easily occur for some fun while waiting for a war to be over, hehe

Thank you. emotion_yatta

Yes, exactly. 3nodding a balance must be maintained in order to make things fair and fun for everyone. If there is one person solely running the show it makes it very frustrating; like playing an all too linear game that doesn't let you make any choices.
Personally Suisho, I quite like how you manage your character in RP, it always seems logical, and I've never seen anyone have an issue. Much like a mother dragon of course- firey wrath but with an apparent weakness and clear boundries. A dragon who's domain is fire won't suddenly go swimming, breath ice, or spit acid. But their scales are tough and they have their own ways of doing things. Whilst all in all, some one else could still be a dragon, or come about and try to be a dragon slayer. Fair is fair.


And indeed, I do like Kate's ways of doing things. I remember that time. 3nodding I enjoy being able to interact with those who are dead in the occasional shenanigans- as you would expect with any ghost or poltergeist- and as I said I feel it's not only fair, but it keeps things interesting too. There is that other aspect though that you pointed out, and I realized I don't see a lot of it. People who are dead could easily interact with those who are also dead as if they were both alive because their on the same field of existence. That would make for only not an interesting turn of events or two to watch, but it would open doors for various activities for them to still have fun while they're "dead".

I feel that if we establish rules that allow for powers/abilities/whatnot, only, with limitations logical to the fact that they/we are ghosts, such as how Kate used the small ice pillars, then everyone could be satisfied. Especially if we point out that ghosts could interact more with one-another. I mean, it's not like there's only ever one of us dead at one time, and it would allow EVERYONE to potentially do things in death; one way or another, based on their own characters specifications. And since those specifications are up to them, they ought to be happy, yes?


Awww! Why thank you! ^///^ The same can be said for your character as well! ^^

I agree! And I hope Kate has some good input as well when she comes and reads over this. I do like the idea of a suggestion thread and such... It saddens me that some people might abandon the guild if it gets too dramatic in here again... the fact that we are having this issue in here just means that we're going to keep having it in the future wherever we go unless some guidelines are given... so why not start here? Perhaps this can establish a better unity and people will want to RP more then and the thread will get a little boost of excitement! ^^
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