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I'm just a yoof, but I figure I'll toss out my comments.


Looks okay, but I think the SAG mek is a little overburdened with equipment. After all, it's only on those double 5's that he launches himself into combat, and as an IC he's not likely to get shot at.


I don't like the burnas so much, I think you should grab more lootas instead, because you have no real way to transport the burnas in this list, and if they footslog, they don't have the numbers to take casualties.


I think you should drop the rokkits in the first mob and mount them on the second Dread, since you'll waste the slugga shots shooting at tanks.



I think you should put rokkits on the buggies, and split them into two squads so that they're more flexible and harder to target.



Eh... I'm not too enthusiastic about the Lobbas. I suggest kannonz or Zzap gunz instead. Preferably kannonz, because they're cheap and flexible with both tank-bustin power and git-krumpin power.

Fair enough, if that's how he's modeled, that's how he's fielded. Personally, I'd save the five points and give him a burna and no armor, but then I like burnas and the S boost is probably worth 5 points. I don't think he needs the bosspole though, since it'd only provide any benefit if he was in a mob.


Well, Like I was saying, yeah, they can get there as fast as your slugga boyz, but if your opponent is smart he'll shoot the burnas first since they're easier to break/kill. Besides, wouldn't adding some wheelz in another looted wagon just fit the whole mek theme?


Fair enough. It was more about how they got used than any real issue with the options.


This is the only thing I'm really going to disagree with. Fielding squadrons of vehicles has always been a bad idea. If a Dev squad gets two penetrating hits on your two buggies, you're obliged to put one hit on one and one on the other, probably destroying both buggies rather than having one get overkilled. If one is stunned or immobilized, you cannot leave it behind or it will become destroyed automatically. I'm curious as to what led you to think that vehicles in squadrons are a good idea, because they suck something fierce in 4th ed.

As for the rokkit bitz, there's quick fixes for that. Use cut up pieces of straws for tubes, and if you really feel like it, you can take a small, round piece of paper, cut it once radially, and roll it to make a cone to place in the tube as the front of a rokkit. You'll have to construct the mounting out of something, but it's not hard to kitbash.


Pinning really isn't that great. The sheer amount of armies that are LD9, 10, Fearless, or auto-pass checks makes pinning unreliable at best, and at worst, useless. Really though, I'm just trying to find someplace to shave points so that you have room for another looted wagon to transport your burnas.



I know the feeling, I don't like to take advice when I didn't come up with the idea. But that doesn't mean this isn't good advice, even if I am a yoof of a warboss.

Changed the list, got rid of the Buggies to get a looted wagon (is modelling it right now).

No big changes really, added Cybork Body on the SAG Mek (10 points and I like Cyborks wink )

The Wagon is open-topped, got plates and a big shoota, if it breaks the added Meks in the burna squad will fix it (had to ruin two models to get the meks... bleh... But after some thinking I wanted to give your suggestion a try in the tournie, I'll give you credit for it somehow if they do well pirate ).

And that's it. o 3o

I don't play Tau but many of my friends here do so just correct me if I'm wrong.



Now what exactly are you trying to do with this model. I can't quite remember what stimulant injector is but I think it is feel no pain or something closely related. You don't need it. Unless you are trying to get him into combat, he's typically going to shoot then jump away either out of range or behind cover (Tau's speciality). Plus he has Iridium armour and a shield generator so in most cases its going to be useless anyway. Untill the opponent shoots through the body guard he won't even need to take a wound, which makes it less important.
Now on to the weapons. Its a bit of a strange combination. With the cyclic's range you'd be better off switching either weapon for plasma. Give him more of a purpose, its alot easier to make his points back if you do.
Everything else looks alright though.



This is'nt a bad setup, however in the unit it contrasts. change around the weapons a bit so that the ranges and purpose are about the same. What I mean here is try and make it more anti- troop or armour, trying to cover all the bases with multiple squads is harder than making a few specialized squads.


First off, drop the detonator. In 90% of all cases you'll either be wiped out it won't wont do much. Sure against orks and nids it'll kill a few models but so will shooting. Yes its an ok thing to have if you need filler but in a competition its all but useless, because if you're in combat with anything but Tau you've already lost.
The weapons setup on this one isn't bad, but, yet again, it contrasts with the unit somewhat. I can see that you're trying to make this multi purpose, but it's better to try and keep the weapons about the same, that way you aren't manouevering to try and make one guy have the shot while the rest of the unit had already been able to shoot. change the fusion for a missile pod or have the other models conform to this one with shorter ranged high strength weapons.

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Ethereal
Honour Blade
EMP grenades


I havn't seen ethereals used much, but from what i've heard it's almost pointless to put any upgrades on him. The honour blade papparently isn't very useful, especially when he has no close combat ability. So just drop the upgrades, or even drop the ethereal entirely.



The bonding knife can be useful, however in ideal conditions your suits will have at least 4 turns of shooting before they get shot down. Plus ld 9 is pretty hard to beat.
Ditch the flamer. With Tau you want to be as far away as possible and shoot as often as possible. Even if they get close, unless they have fleet or move fast, you'll be able to get away from infantry and/or monsterous creatures. Also it makes it so the unit isn't coherent. Like with the command squad its better to give it a purpose and the only thing that sticks out is the flamer.



Same as the last squad, drop the flamer for a fusion or missle pod. Perhaps change the fusions to missles. Though my friend uses this setup (flamer is a plasma instead) and it seems to work well against my marines.



Can never go wrong with these. Though you might want to dro the arrays, I know it's easy to get carried away with the upgrades but +1BS can get a bit heavy with a 6 man unit.



This is a problem. You usually don't go with 10% of your points in troops. Especially tau. You only have one squad of fire warriors? Get more!



First off at the very least get two squads of these, even just 10 men strong. You need more long ranged firepower.
Second drop the marker light, its just extra points added on to the squad that removes shooting.
Third drop the knife. Its useful but 90% of the time your firewarriors are at the edge of the table anyway and won't be shot at till at least turn 3 (minus heavy weapons and other Tau)



Drop the save, kroot are meant to be an expendible wave. They shoot, they hide, and when the enemy gets too close they charge and tie them up while the rest of the army runs away screaming "It's for the greater good!"
You infiltrate kroot into cover and they'll be far better off then a 6+ save. They're not meant to be walking up the board.


How many smart missles does the Devilfish have. If its more than 2 make the drones marker drones. If less, drop the missles and either change the drones to shield of drop them entirely.
the bonding knife is ok here but its mostly for those "what if?" moments. As you will be flying around in the devilfish, popping out a wreaking havoc, or shooting marker lights from a distance.



Drop the flechetts, any good tactition won't charge a skimmer. If they're smart enough they'll just shoot it down. They won't see much combat. Unless they are going for the instant cover manoever. It almost worked for me once but I failed to down the other skimmer. Still blocked half his armies firing arc.
Also you don't want to have them in a squad. If one gets stunned either they all stay put or you leave it behind and have it count as destroyed. Bad idea.
Again, the unit contrasts itself. either upgrade all the piranhas with fusion or leave them be with blasters.


With such short ranged weapons these are primarily one shot anti-heavy models. With Ap3 guns its hard not to use them, though once you do chances are they're close enough to charge. plus you need to hide them as any shooting will Rip them off the table.



Drop the drone and sitch back to smart missle systems. Also try and fit more into the squad.



Perfect.

In short, add more fire warriors, and focus yor squads.
In the future perhaps post a competetive list. It's hard to judge a 'for fun' list, especially when it doesn't have a set points limit.

Alright, I've been playing for a good year now and have expanded my army from the basics a while back.
however no matter how I try my armies fail me in every endevor that I have gone up against. (save my first game in my first tournament, and even then it was close.)
I was wondering if it's army comp, my opponents or just that dice hate me. I have had fairly horrible rolls for most of my gaming career.
Anyway I'll post my list and see what you guys think about it.

Here's how it stands so far.
Dark Angels, "Disciples of Caliban 3rd company"
Hq
Interrogator-Chaplain
-Storm bolter
-Jump Pack
145pts

Troops
Tactical Squad
-10 man
-Power Fist
-Meltagun
-Rhino w/ Extra Armour
250pts

Tactical Squad
-10 man
-Power Fist
-Meltagun
-Rhino w/ Extra Armour
250pts

Fast Attack
Assault Squad
-10 Man
-Powerfist
260pts

Heavy Support
Devestator Squad
-10 Man
-Plasma gun
-Plasma Cannon x2
-Lascannon x2
-Power weapon
315pts

Devestator Squad
-10 Man
-Plasma gun
-Heavy Bolter x 2
-Missle launcher x2
-Power weapon
265 pts

Predator
-Autocannon
-Heavy Bolter Sponsons
95 pts

Total 1700pts

Basically with this list is I've tried to put as many men on the table as I own. So far it's been wiped off the board by a troop heavy Blood Angels list and a fairly balanced eldar list.
Both times the battle was over as soon as I got out of the Rhinos.
the eldar shot one squad down to two with a single fire prism shot and the avatar reduced the other squad to half.
Against the blood angels both squads tried to shoot 5 Deathcompany and its chaplain off the board. I got the squad down to one DC and the chap had one wound. But the the rhinos exploded and wiped half of each squad out while the DC and a nearby assault squad killed the rest.

Suffice to say I have horrible luck, but hopefully those matches were flukes.

First of all, are the rules for the Quartermaster in IA5a, or will they come out only in IA5b?

Why are you mixing the plasma guns and melta guns? I know the sets come that way, but are you just doing that for some sort of versitility?

And as per the Voxs, of which you have tons, would it be more effective to have Vet Sergeants, especially since you seem to be getting up close what with all of the Flamers?

Overall, it looks rather solid to me, though I must admitt that I'm disheartened on for the Thudd guns, as they don't have as much of a punch as I'd like for the point cost.

Strategy for the army is to get up close and use weight of fire?

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. Is this for Apocolypse, or just a 3000 point 40K army list? I notice that you only have three Heavy Support and Fast Attack.

This will probably change but so far this is my Army plan:

HQ-----------------------
Maugan Ra
=====
Eldrad Ulthran
--Eldritch Storm
--Guide
--Doom
--4 Warlocks
---Conceal
---2 with witchblades
---2 with singing spears
HQ Total->>495 Points

Elites-----------------------
Harlequins Troupe
--Troupe Master
--Shadowseer
--Death Jester
--harlequin
---harlequins kiss+combat weapon
--harlequin
---combat weapon+shuriken Pistol
Squad Total-> 154 Points
=====
Striking Scorpions
--4 striking scorpions
--1 exarch
---shadowstrike
---stalker
---scorpions claw
---chainsword
Squad Total-> 132

Elites Total->>286 points
Troops-----------------------
Dire Avenger Squad
--4 Avengers
--1 Exarch
---diresword and shuriken pistol
----Bladestorm
Squad total-> 97 points
=====
Rangers (woot!)
--10 Rangers
---Pathfinders
Squad Total->240
=====
Guardians
--10 Storm guardians
--warlock
---Conceal
---singing spear
Squad total->120 points
======
Wraithgaurd
--5 wraithgaurd
--Warlock/Spiritseer
---Singing Spear
---Conceal
Squad Total-> 215 Points

Fast Attack-----------------------
Warp Spiders
--4 warp spiders
--1 exarch
---surprise assault
---additional deathspiner
---Powerblades
Fast Attack Total->> 147 Points

Heavy Support-----------------------
2 Squads of
Dark Reapers
--4 dark reapers
--1 exarch
---fast shot
---crack shot
---tempest launcher
Squad Total-> 237 Points
Heavy support Total->> 474

AND the army total is *drum roll* two thousand, seventy-four points
if you see anything wrong with this, please tell me, it would help to have a bit of constructive criticism.