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D: Sorry to hear things haven't been going well. I hope they get better.

Agreed. The fandom isn't dead if it has fans, and no one will know if it is "ZOMG TTLY NOT CANON!!1/' until the credits of the last episode are rolling. Seriously. There's still more episodes! Things can happen in that span of time >.<

Yeah, I'd be kinda disappointed, too. I mean, I've always considered Avatar to be the kind of show where you never know exactly what's going to happen, and where obvious things aren't always so obvious. And, yeah, Katara does seem a bit distant. And she seemed especially motherly in 312. You know, being all 'You can't go play until your done of all the work'.

Dx I know. Pretty much every Zutara fan I've met is reasonable, and not at all crazy. There's a few that are kind of crazy or overly-confident/worried about the pairing (someone on LJ stpped watching Avatar because of the Maiko kiss in the trailer >.<), but it's not nearly as common as people say. Though, I think they consider it 'crazy' to still have hope for a pairing that's so obviously not going to happen. rolleyes

Yeah, a lot of the Kataang fans I've met seem very immature, and often times rude/braggy. Though, I have met some that are nice, so maybe the good ones are just shy. >.>

xD Oh, don't worry. You're not the only one predicting Aang to die. I can see it happening too.

You can't live on symbolism forever, you know. There are other things that has been stated as Zutara-evidence and they were also symbols, like this one. If this really was real, how come the others are also real? You usually have a symbol that would be explained in an episode, though, so far, none of the symbols, I have heard of, have had that kind of explanation. Coincidence? I don't think so.

A symbol always has to be explained in the show and not outside it. You have to see the explanation before saying that it is a symbol. That's how it works. It isn't the shippers who decide this, but the creators and they do so by adding the explanation in an episode. Your evidence isn't helped by the actual show, since everything, which has happened so far, hasn't showed anything that would support it fully.

The essay of yours is only made with fancy words and anyone with a intellect would know how to write like this. That's what makes the essay "convincing" for others, though, the explanation is not the only one to the actual event, so you can't say that this is true facts. Nothing in the essay is completely real and that makes it pointless. Don't try to give false hopes until this is actually proved by the show.

Well, we've lived on symbolism for the entire series up until now, so I don't think it should be too much of a problem. XD But seriously, if anything is to happen with Zutara, it hasn't happened yet and we know it...but it will, if it's going to happen. What happens in the next few episodes will determine what will happen with their relationship, if it will end up as friendship or something more.

And there is still time for that, for our ideas of symbolism to be proven right or wrong in this way. No, it doesn't make it true, and it is not the Zutarians who decide it. I never said this. But it's just how we interpert things. Interpertations vary from person to person, and I'm just saying that I noticed this pattern, but this pattern will be proved or disproved when the show continues and then ends. I know Zutara is the unlikely pairing of the show, and we don't have anything but the symbolism that we find and interpert. It isn't fully supported. We've known that from the beginning. We're just saying, that it could be there, only in an abstract form. Whether we turn out to be right or wrong remains to be seen.

No, it isn't the only explanation to events. And I stated throroughly that I didn't claim this as fact. I was only presenting it as an idea, a theory, just a pattern that I noticed when it came to the things us Zutarians use as symbolism. I said that I didn't claim it as truth to the show. I'm just saying that there seems to be a lot of relationships between water and Fire, and even Katara and Zuko. The actual individual symbolisms are not what prove anything, it's, as I said, the dominance of the similarities that could possibly be leading to something.

You make some good points about symbolism, but I don't see anything wrong with expressing my ideas to my friends in the meantime before the show ends. Others have been expressing their ideas, and now I've expressed some of mine. That's part of the fun of this show, making speculations on what's in store. It's not false hope, it's expressing an idea that could be proven, or fairly, disproven.

One thing that you have forgotten is that symbolism isn't justified just because someone can "see" it. The evidence always has to be strenghten by the story line, otherwise, it is not evidence. Interpretations are supposed to be based on how the writers have put up the story line and not on your own interpretations. There is a very easy way to actually see what the show contains, which is the writers' view, and that is watching the first episodes. They contain the building-blocks that the story contains. There, all the things, that is real in the show, exists. The big difference between KatAang and Zutara is that the first mentioned is supported by these blocks. Your interpretation doesn't fit the story line and by so, it isn't a justified interpretation. There can only be a few building-blocks in a story that have a major role in it all. None of the major ones support your Zutara idea and by so, not your interpretations either. As I said before, it's the writers ideas of how things are that you have to figure out and that isn't hard, if you do as I said. You don't need to interpret all the things which haven't got a good explanation in the story, so by making essays like these are pointless. When you finally have found the building-blocks, you don't need an own interpretation from yourself. It's totally unnecessary.

My symbolism theory has nothing to do with you stopping doing essays, but when using it, it shows what actually is a true symbol or not. I know what a symbol is supposed to be like and this is definitely not proof of Zutara's existence. Nothing supports it except your own words and that isn't something to rely on.

One thing that makes your reply not that good is that you haven't contradicted the theory. With this post, I have added more that strenghten it. Maybe you aren't capable to do contradict the theory, or is it because I am actually right? I guess on the last thing, since it's hard to argue with something like this.

By writing like you did to me, you also contradicted yourself. You said that it wasn't Zutarians who decided what was evidence, still, you said that your interpretations was your way to see the show. Those two sentences aren't supposed to be with each other, because they are technically opposites. Your interpretations are influenced by your Zutara beliefs and by so, it can change the actual view of what the story really is about. Even if your ideas have a deep, it isn't a part of the actual story, I said claimed before. Your theories aren't supported of what has actually happened and then it doesn't matter how much "evidence" you put up. There are only one way to interpret this and that is by finding the building-blocks. That's the writers' view and the only true facts, since there are no other views to look for.

D: Sorry to hear things haven't been going well. I hope they get better.

Agreed. The fandom isn't dead if it has fans, and no one will know if it is "ZOMG TTLY NOT CANON!!1/' until the credits of the last episode are rolling. Seriously. There's still more episodes! Things can happen in that span of time >.<

Yeah, I'd be kinda disappointed, too. I mean, I've always considered Avatar to be the kind of show where you never know exactly what's going to happen, and where obvious things aren't always so obvious. And, yeah, Katara does seem a bit distant. And she seemed especially motherly in 312. You know, being all 'You can't go play until your done of all the work'.

Dx I know. Pretty much every Zutara fan I've met is reasonable, and not at all crazy. There's a few that are kind of crazy or overly-confident/worried about the pairing (someone on LJ stpped watching Avatar because of the Maiko kiss in the trailer >.<), but it's not nearly as common as people say. Though, I think they consider it 'crazy' to still have hope for a pairing that's so obviously not going to happen. rolleyes

Yeah, a lot of the Kataang fans I've met seem very immature, and often times rude/braggy. Though, I have met some that are nice, so maybe the good ones are just shy. >.>

xD Oh, don't worry. You're not the only one predicting Aang to die. I can see it happening too.

Whoa Whoa Whoa - is this person saying that, because Zutara was not evident in the first episodes of the series, it is therefore impossible? Dx What about Sokka/Yue? What about Maiko? Hell, what about everyhting else that happened in the series?! If we could understand everything about the show based on the first couple episodes, or even the first season, it would not be the epicly awesome and unpredictable show that I love.

Also, I find it frustrating that this person keeps saying what you wrote is an 'essay', when you clearly said it's a 'theory'. There's a huge difference between essays and theories. Essays are something you're trying to prove is true, while a theory is something you believe might be true.

And it seems kind of like they're saying you can't try to predict or interpret anything in the show if it doesn't agree with the writers' view. However, how are we supposed to know what goes on in their minds, and what they think and see when they're making these episodes? I mean, isn't trying to figure out what will happen next part of the show, even if your theories and hopes are completely different from what actually happens?

At least they're polite with their arguments, though.

Just because the symbolism we follow haven't been supported...yet...in the show does not mean we can't speculate. That is all I am doing with this theory. I don't know what Mike and Bryan have in store for the rest of the series, I don't know what goes on in their heads and their reason for things, and they do have the habit of surprising us. I said that if what I've said in this, if these symbolisms are to turn out to be true, it's going to happen in the future of the show. Not saying it will happen, I'm merely presenting the possibility of it. And it isn't just symbolism I'm talking about, either. It's also to do with the similarities between Katara and Zuko that are yin/yang-esque.

Building blocks? From Episode one? I personally don't think that it was decided from episode one. Just because Zutara wasn't included in these building blocks doesn't mean it is impossible. Avatar is known for being an unpredictable show with many twists and turns. To say that it was decided from the very beginning would make it too predictable, and it wouldn't have the wow-factor or the shock-factor or the wide, demographic-defying fanbase that it does. People wouldn't stay on the story for 60 episodes if everything was guaranteed from the first episode.

Besides, things now in the show are a lot different than they were, there have been many things that we never saw coming from watching the first episodes, and the characters have progressed amazingly. Zuko is like a completely different person and he is with the Gaang. And yet, Kataang in the show still seems like it hasn't developed as much as it could. It's still looking pretty one-sided. There is the oppurtunity for Zutara to develop. I'm looking forward to seeing if it does end up happening. My interpertation may not fit the storyline...yet, but there is still an oppurtunity, like I said.

Those two sentences are not exactly opposites. We may interpert things differently, we may see the show differently. That is perfectly true, because everyone has their own view of things, that includes what goes on in a TV show. That doesn't make it so, and we can't decide it as evidence, and I never said that we could. Just because we see it differently doesn't mean we're forcing it on people or advertising it as fact. We have our right to see things and different possibilities as much as anyone else.

I may be Zutara-biased, but that's not the only reason I watch this show. It's because it's a great show and a great piece of storytelling, and I do know what the story is about, I know what's going on. I will keep watching until the end, be it an end in Kataang or Zutara. And I will keep speculating, whether Zutara will continue to have a potential remains to be seen, however I'm still keeping my hopes up.

And I'll say it again. I went into this, disclaiming that this was anything factual. I never claimed it to be actual ' proof' or 'evidence', I was offering a new view on the things that Zutarians are rumored to use as such, and I was offering it as a theory. And I was also not starting this to TRY and argue or prove anyone wrong, I was only trying to offer some sort of defense for my ship. I said all this in the intro of the theory.

This theory may not have been proven in the show YET but there is still sufficient time left in the series. Again, like Zutara, I'm not saying that it WILL happen, I'm just thinking about the possibility.

I haven't met any of the OMGpsyco Zutarians either. I'm not saying they're not out there, I'm just bloody tired of people applying the behaviour of the few to the behaviour of the many! Freakin' stereotypes!

Didn't you listen? The first episodes, I said, not the first one. Do you even know what building-blocks are? I can see that you don't, by how you respond. Those kind of blocks can be anything and they are the key to understand the whole show. From there, they can develop it and make it grow and they have kept to that path the entire time. Every single story has it. "Romeo and Juliet", "Star Wars", "The Lord of the Rings". Those blocks are the whole purpose of a story line and make it to what it is. They don't go around them and start change everything. Just because you know the building-blocks, it doesn't make it too predictable, though, a story is always predictable, even if you are going to start prove that it isn't. The purpose with a story is how it reaches the goal and with the blocks, you can follow the red-thread through it all. That's what makes the stoy interesting, so by saying that they put up unpredictable things is pretty stupid. The goal of the story isn't Zutara and by that, it's not real and not the theories either. It has to get support by the story line, otherwise, it's doomed to fail. You haven't even succeeded to penetrate this idea of the story and that's because my thoughts are the same as it. You said that my theories haven't been disproved yet and that's because it hasn't and it never will. The most unpredictablt thing you can do now is to add Zutara to the story and that is not how a writer aim. There must always be backed-up and have a reasonable explanation. That shipping doesn't have anything of that and by so, it has never existed. Zutara is something made up by the shippers with all the crazy theories and it isn't worth to defend, even if you just say that you don't. Keep yourself to the fanon instead of coming up with theories that would inflict what's really canon. This is pure conspiracy and nothing else.

You are even avoiding the actual problem with your replies and doesn't go straight forward. I have talked about exactly the same thing all the time, while you are going forward on things like me saying "evidence", ect, ect. That isn't the problem with this conversation, so don't go around it. Don't try to manipulate anything, since it's only making you a fool, in my eyes. I can see where this is going so this will be my last reply. This isn't even a good speculation and it only ruins the story. This will never become a true theory, so it isn't even worth talking about. Good job for trying, but you haven't gained anything by your replies. You haven't disproved me and you have definitely not shown that this is justified. That's all from me.

I know what building blocks are. They lay down the plot and the idea for the story. But I don't think that just because Zutara wasn't included in these building blocks, that makes it impossible. Zutara isn't the goal of the show? No, it isn't, and I never said it was, nor have the Zutarians I know. But to be fair, Kataang isn't the goal of the story either. The goal of the story, and how it is going to end, is Aang becoming a fully realized Avatar, defeating the Fire Lord, and ending the war.

We still have 8 episodes of storyline to go, too. I know it's not a lot to work with, but its more of a chance than Zutarians have hoped for for a while.

And it would need a reasonable explanation to actually be able to go forward? I'm gonna share another theory with you, shoot it down all you want, it probably won't change my opinion...But remember the Guru, and the fact that Aang said his seventh Chakra was locked from the CoD incident. Remember that he SPECIFICALLY says this. It shows that it's going to come in later and he's going to have to unlock that Chakra. How can he do that? Let Katara go, like the Guru said. The Guru and Aang said what they said for a reason. One POSSIBILITY could be that Zutara begins, and starts a love triangle concept. Even the Avatar Magazine alluded to this. Anyway, that progresses, but Aang realizes that he needs the Avatar State, and that he loves Katara enough to just want to see her happy. He's not selfish, and they would still be friends afterwards. It may create some tension between him and Zuko too, but that can be resolved seeing as they're also friends and Zuko probably won't go too far with anything after he finds out about Aangs true feelings anyway. It could be what finally gives Aang the final boost to give her up and master the Avatar State and become a fully realized Avatar, which is one of the goals of the story.
Just an idea, a theory, not saying it's going to happen. But you wanted a reason for Zutara, and I gave a possibility.

And like I said, I didn't start this to win an argument. I've given my thoughts on symbolism, and why it hasn't been proven thus far in the show. There is still the possibility, and that is all I'm saying. But saying my ship isn't worth defending is a little rude. I never attacked the other ships. Zutara may be fan-made, but there also might be a reason as to why it has the biggest fanbase compared to Kataang. And who says we can't desire our ship to become canon like everyone else can? We have stuck to fanon since the beginning, but even we have the right to want it to become canon, and you know what, theorizing and speculating, be it accurate or not, comes with that territory.

All I am saying in this is that I have the right to theorize. I've now given my opinion on how Zutara could POSSIBLY come to be supported in the storyline in the future of the show, and I've said over and over that I never claimed any of this as canon or fact. I'm not hurting the show or the other ships by making guesses and expressing an idea, and I am not trying to manipulate things, so I don't know what more you want from me.

And That's all from me.