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 Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:01 pm
this is how it goes for me, 1st he liked Tifa and then Aeris
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:05 pm
Cloud_Less this is how it goes for me, 1st he liked Tifa and then Aeris I still think its tifa... i mean, it would be hard not to..
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:56 am
I think Cloud loved Aries but when she died he eventualy fell for Tifa.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:23 am
upon playing the game again, I have come to the conclusion that Cloud liked both of them
he liked Tifa longer
but he liked Aeris more when she died.
so I'd say its a tie
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:29 am
it was deffinatly aeris
i think he wanted tiffa alittle bit but his overpowering love for aeris made him stay loyal even after she died crying
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:02 pm
XxXEternal_DarknessXxX I think it was Tifa. surprised
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:30 pm
Here is why I think it's Aeris because when he was in Nibelheim with Sephiroth on his first mission he got to go visit his mother at their house. Well while he was laying on his bed she told him he should get a girlfriend. Not only that, an older girlfriend so that she could take care of him. Well Aeris was older than him and there you have it. With him and Tifa they were just really close friends. I'm not even quite sure she liked him like that, but she did deeply care for him in that she helped him find himself again when he got caught in the lifesteam and went crazy. All and all if it ever came to him actually getting a girlfriend it would be Aeris. You could just tell by her personality that she was a better match for Cloud than Tifa.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:32 pm
Well... Tifa was crazy for Cloud before Aerith even came into the picture, in my own opinion. And Aerith is not with the living, so there is no possible way. surprised
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:36 pm
Lol. In your opinion maybe she was crazy for him, but I don't think she really was and that is my opinion. If Aeris would have lived.. I'm sure they'd of eventually gotten together. Either way Tifa is always gonna be just a really good friend.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:39 pm
Maybe. Maybe not. ;o
I hope Cloud does turn to Tifa for a relationship.
It'd just flow better. :3
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:57 pm
come on. it had to be Tifa!!!!! She's the best!
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:35 pm
Well like I said, they were best friends so it's natural that after all that happened he did stay with Tifa because she is his only best friend. You can't keep ruling out Aeris just because she died. Tifa was the only one he was close enough with to stay with.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:44 pm
i think it was tifa... btw she was his childhood friend
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:56 pm
of course it was arith because i mean look at what he did for her even though he has known tifa for almost life but they will remain friend
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:05 pm
Miss Aeris Gainsborough Quoting my infamous CloudXAeris post.
1. Cloud and Tifa were close childhood friends.
~ False. Tifa clearly states during the Lifestream Event that she and Cloud didn’t know one another very well as children.
And so:
One of the common arguments used against Cloud and Aerith being the true couple of Final Fantasy VII is the idea that they have less time together than Cloud and Tifa. An analysis of the script found at Comparing Cloud’s Affection for Aerith and Tifa shows that Cloud has approximately the same number of non-optional interactions during the course of Final Fantasy VII with both Aerith and Tifa. The same analysis also reveals that even though Cloud spends the same number of non-optional scenes alone with Aerith as he does with Tifa, he only speaks with Tifa twice during two of those scenes alone with her.
The Lifestream Event also reveals that Cloud and Tifa did not know one another well as children, which means that Cloud and Tifa were actually just getting to know one another at the beginning of the game. As children, Tifa had a separate group of friends, a three-some, who would not allow Cloud into the group. Cloud only used to look up at Tifa’s window from outside.
After Tifa’s accident at the bridge in the mountains, Cloud felt that she blamed him and hated him for what happened, which implies that they were estranged even further. Cloud wouldn’t feel that Tifa blamed him and hated him if their relationship was close. Tifa even mentions that Cloud’s invitation to meet him at the well surprised her because it was so sudden, which implies that they spent little time together. The fact that they weren’t close as children is clearly indicated in the following dialogue from the Lifestream event:
Young Cloud "Tifa... did you forget... about those days?"
Tifa "Look... I..."
Tifa "I'm sorry... But what are you talking about?"
Young Cloud "No... it's all right. You were having a hard time back then."
Young Cloud "You were so busy with your own things, it's only natural you don't remember me back then."
Tifa "'Back then'?"
Tifa "My room?"
Young Cloud "It was my first time there."
Tifa "Was... it?"
Young Cloud "I only used to look up at it from outside."
Tifa "Was that the first day you came into my room?"
Tifa "...that's right. We lived next to each other. But I really didn't know you that well."
Tifa "I've known you since we were children and I always thought we were close..."
Tifa "Now that you mention it... I don't recall you ever being in my room..."
Young Cloud "Tifa always used to be with this three-some."
Tifa "...That's right."
Young Cloud "You were all childish, laughing at every little stupid thing."
Tifa "But we were children, back then."
Young Cloud "...I know. I'm the one that was stupid. I really wanted to play with everyone, but I was never allowed into the group."
Young Cloud "Then later... I began to think I was different... That I was different from those immature kids."
Young Cloud "That then... maybe..."
(A double of the adult Cloud stands, and then it speaks.)
"Just maybe, they would invite me in."
"I thought that might happen, so I hung around..."
(The double speaks again.)
"That night I called Tifa out to the well... I thought to myself Tifa would never come, that she hated me."
Tifa "Yeah... it was so sudden. I was... a bit surprised."
(She turns to face Young Cloud.)
Tifa "But... It's true that we weren't THAT close, but..."
From these passages in the Lifestream event, it’s obvious that Cloud and Tifa were not close as children. Tifa even says, “We lived next to each other. But I really didn't know you that well." This passage from the Lifestream event conclusively shows that Tifa and Cloud were not even close friends as children, and that Cloud only had a crush on her from afar. Therefore, Cloud’s past feelings for Tifa were not based on an actual relationship with her.
Since Cloud and Tifa were not close as children, an actual relationship between them began shortly before the beginning of Final Fantasy VII when Tifa asked Cloud to join AVALANCHE. Tifa essentially remains a background character in Disk One, which is indicated by the relatively low amount of interaction between Cloud and Tifa for that period of time. This is all fully documented in the analysis at Comparing Cloud’s Affection for Aerith and Tifa. Since the total number of non-optional interactions between Cloud and both women are nearly equivalent, this shows that Aerith and Tifa basically receive the same amount of focus in Cloud’s life during the course of the game. Therefore, the idea that Cloud and Tifa have a longer period of time together than Cloud and Aerith is actually false
One of the most common things is that people say Aeris didn't know the REAL Cloud. WRONG!!!!!! Or, that she loved Cloud because of Zach. WRONG!
Proof? Zack was more of an outgoing and caring character when you see him in the few scenes of Nibelheim and when he and Cloud escape to Midgar on the truck. Zack, for example, directly gave friendship to Cloud in which Zack talked to him, kind of joked with him, and helped him when Cloud was hurt (Escape from Nibelheim Sequence). Cloud's character is one completely different from that shown by Zack. Cloud, when the player first meets him in the beginning of the game, is perceived as a cold, antisocial, and uncaring person who only wants money and worries about the well-being of no one.
On the other hand, Zack is described by Aerith in Gongaga as being and I quote her in saying, "he loved women, a real ladies man." Cloud seems to be particularly uninterested in this specific area which can be shown from his less than enthusiastic responses to his mother's discussion concerning him getting a girlfriend in his flashback of the visit he had with her in Nibelheim.
As shown in the truck on the way to Nibeheim in the Kalm flashback sequence, Zack was talkative and caring asking how everyone was doing and if Cloud was alright with his motion sickness. Cloud in the beginning of the game basically only says what needs to be and holds a overall, "I don't care" and "It's not my problem" attitude.
If ANYTHING what only can be seen is that Cloud and Zack's person-alities are almost completely contrasting. Cloud and Zack's personalities are in no way anything alike when compared with what information is given to us in the game. So then it can be concluded that the only thing that Cloud has inherited from Zack was some of his memories and gestures as well. The real reason that most people see Cloud before he "finds himself" in the Lifestream as the "fake" Cloud is because some of his memories are mixed up and confused.
This in itself brings up an interesting topic, that being does the past really make us who we are? This can be answered more by opinion, yet the answer to this question doesn't quite address the real issue. This issue being that just because Cloud did not know the truth about a certain part of his past does that mean he was truly incapable of loving another.
Remember that Cloud only had a certain part of his past mixed up, that being the Nibelheim experience five years ago and his involvement in SOLDIER. Cloud remembered that he was born in Nibelheim and not Gongaga, like Zack was. Cloud also remembered bits and pieces of some conversations he had with his mother in Nibelheim as well as a lengthy letter that he read in Tifa’s room word per word.
Because of this I fail to see how Cloud's past in SOLDIER and the Nibelheim incident five years ago can affect Cloud’s relationship with Aerith. This was the past which had nothing to do with Aerith, she was the present. Tifa however was a part of this mixed up past. If that in itself holds a deeper meaning who's to say, that's more of the gamer's opinion.
Now.. some say she's dead so hah. Well I got something for you and big, fat, ugly NO!
The whole speculation about the love triangle in Final Fantasy VII often makes one lose sight of what it and the whole of the game comprises: the theme of Life. While this fact has been known long before the game’s inception, few have actually addressed the exact nature of Final Fantasy VII’s primary theme. The love triangle itself in Final Fantasy VII can be useful in understanding its theme of life, and vice-versa.
Just as there are many paths to a single destination in the ending of Final Fantasy VII, so it is in the actual game - with a twist. Final Fantasy VII is wrought with teasing, confounding lines that hint as much at a certain possibility as they detract from it. One can have Cloud act jealous and envious towards Aerith’s old boyfriend - but one can just as easily give her the cold shoulder on the issue. One can label Tifa as Cloud’s girlfriend right away in the game - but one can just as easily deny it with vehemence. One can have Cloud go on a romantic, magical date with Aerith at the Gold Saucer - but they can have him do so with a number of questionable others, as well as mess up the event entirely. And one can enact a touching and highly suggestive scene between Cloud and Tifa in the form of ‘Last Night under the Highwind’, while another can enact that scene in a brotherly and perfectly platonic way. And it comes as a result in the end that there is not just one, but two destinations for Cloud in the matter of the love triangle. However, according to Final Fantasy VII’s theme of Life, only ONE of them is correct.
Tifa, on the other hand, is shown to be better for Cloud on a platonic level. On that level, Tifa helps him upon his first bewildered arrival into Midgar, fights with him for the planet, and helps him find himself in the Lifestream. In settings involving his heart, however, despite her intentions she ends up hurting Cloud deeply each time. She never noticed his unrequited love as a child, and he ended up humiliating and torturing himself as a result. She hid his past from him to protect him, and instead contributed to his fall and the rise of Meteor. In Cloud’s life, one thing is certain: in any relationship other than a platonic one, Tifa is bad for Cloud.
Which brings us again back full circle to the theme of Life. In Cloud’s life, regardless of who he chooses, Aerith is shown to be better than Tifa. Everything would point to their being the perfect couple. The only factor that denies the possibility is the untimely murder of the woman herself.
Or does it?
The love triangle in Final Fantasy VII is basically a mirror for the choices in Life itself. After all, although Cloud is thrust into glorious and often fantastical situations, the love situation depicted is just as typical (and just as stupefying) as one we ourselves would encounter. And as has been shown, Aerith is virtually the perfect woman for Cloud. She however, is perceived as unattainable. Tifa, conversely, is the cause of Cloud’s suffering and has never known him as he truly is. She, however, is completely within reach.
And now the great choice of Life, the theme of Final Fantasy VII is revealed: Pragmatism versus Idealism.
In Life, the pragmatist will make the sensible choices, choosing to opt out of dreams simply because they are unreasonable (hence Tifa). The idealist, on the other hand, strives to attain the ultimate result in Life (hence Aerith). The idealist may be much more likely to fail, but the potential rewards that it offers are too much to ignore. We are reminded:
“We are only given one life to live. Remember, when appropriate,
to live it.”
Pragmatism is a paradox. It presumes to be the most sensible and logical way to live one’s life, yet results in being completely unsatisfying in every conceivable way. Why? Because among other things, pragmatism cannot sustain one because it intentionally shortchanges the pragmatist. The pragmatist can never attain everything that Life has to offer. Just as if Cloud chooses Tifa, he will never attain everything that Life and love have to offer.
But if Cloud becomes the idealist, if Cloud dares to love Aerith, despite the risks in doing so, regardless of whether she is alive or dead, and his love is constant beyond death, then his love is ultimately more cherishable than anything that he could ever have with Tifa.
The ultimate problem of Life: does one consign oneself to the ordinary vision of the status quo, or does one risk everything in order to attain the highest form of the self? In Final Fantasy VII, the answer is obvious. Taking the easy answers in pragmatism is not an option, for it embodies Life at a standstill. That is what the Shinra and the corporate pragmatists of our world do. Only idealism, according to Final Fantasy VII, can save mankind from itself, before our Holy in the form of Nature itself relieves us.
The theme of Life in Final Fantasy VII encompasses all of its virtues. And it has an end. Through the betterment of mankind and the fight for an ideal world, Life itself becomes a Fairy Tale.
Subsequently, so does its love story. The ideal search embodied in the love of Cloud and Aerith continues to live on in lore, from outlandish fanfiction tales of resurrection to actual representation of their ongoing search for love in games such as Final Fantasy Tactics and Kingdom Hearts. If anything, this proves that at the end of it all, Cloud is with his Aerith in spirit, if not in body.
And in Final Fantasy VII, this is revealed to be the only thing that matters.
So? All of you guys just need to read this.. it explains everything really well.
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