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Hmmm uhhh as some may know from my previous posts... I'm a homo.. Yeah, its been pointed out that its wrong. I know some of you probably don't accept it, or it would make you feel uncomfortable. But I will never go into too much detail about it ever. Nor will I ever subject anyone to actually see me do anything that in my opinion is sexual to or with another man if there is a person within the area that I know is uncomfortable with. I'm like that because it bugs me when people flaunt their sexuality, whether they be gay, straight, or bi. Its just bad taste.

But umm nathan - I would agree.. Not that I've been to one of those pride parades at all or anything.. But I've seen pictures, and in my opinion some of the things i've seen look god awful. I don't think the key to gaining acceptance if by shoving it down other peoples throats.. Actually, in my opinion its counter productive. This would apply to any sexual orientation, religion, or anything else you could want acceptance for.

I'm not going to say much more as I'm so biased on the subject, I know you all know what I would say on the subject.

Ohhh i tried reading all the posts, but some were a tad big, soo i just skimmed through and I had to say it was very interesting!

I totally agree with you. i personally dont think this should be allowed. i think its totally against the Torah!!

*Glomps both of you* I love homos, and I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU! I can't even stand straight people anymore.
Here's why I say this:

Last night I was at a party, and my friend and her boyfriend went at it RIGHT in front of me for like...45 god awful seconds. It was horrifying, and frankly, I don't want to see it. If it's simple and cute, I don't mind, I just get jealous. redface

I do think homosexuals have every right to be proud of what they are, because I am proud of what I am, so why is it different for everyone else? Of course, gay marches have always look alittle...I dunno, violent. Some of them look really fun though. I'd definetley go if I wasn't so scared. Ugh. I'm ranting. xd

Haha dykes weird me out, so it's okay. xd

Me, I'm a happy f** hag. I'm never happier than when surrounded by gay men. Mostly because they tell me what I should be wearing, because frankly, I need the help. But also because they tend to be gentle, compassionate, and welcoming once they realize that a nice frum woman isn't being all judgey and disapproving of them. A lot of times, gay boys/teens/youth and young men will tell me I'm like the big sister, aunt, or even mother (despite the fact that I am SO not old enough to be their mother!) that they wish they'd had, after their actual relatives shunned them or shouted vile things at them for being gay. So many gay men and women want nothing more than to belong within their own families, but are pushed away with their parents' or siblings' fear and disgust. I get sickened by hearing people say, "Our religion is about strong family values," even after shoving their own flesh and blood out of their lives. I try my best to be a friend and to take them on as family, once they're rejected by their actual kinfolk, and try to patch up the wounds caused by such hurtful rejections.

The Torah speaks of ONE act between men that is forbidden. The rest is rabbis' commentaries, and they didn't necessarily agree with one another on what constituted forbidden activities or relationships. I tend to hold by the most liberal rulings, and view that one act as forbidden. But, just like those who don't keep kosher, or who aren't shomer Shabbat, I don't see it as a reason to treat someone with disgust or hatred. Eating chametz (leavening) on Passover is punishable by karet, by being cut off from the community of Yisrael. That's a much worse sin than anything two loving, consenting people can do together, and yet I don't hear nearly this level of disgust or disdain levelled at those who can't bear to give up bread or cookies for Passover. What's at work here isn't actually a strict adherence to Torah, but a visceral "ewww, icky!" reaction, and frankly, that is just flat-out prejudiced mishegas.

I totally agree with you on all points there! I have 2 amazing friends that are gay, and one is just about the sweetest guy ever and so much fun to be around, especially since you know he isn't looking to be in relationship or something. xp

When I say I'm a f** hag, I include gay women in that. Not for the same reasons that I adore gay men (my male sisters), but I like to nurture them just as much as I nurture the gay guys. Every one of them has had some pretty horrible rejections when they came out -- mostly from parents or siblings, but also from their religious communities, their schools, their friends, their employers... someplace that mattered to them, someone whose reaction cut them to the core. And every one of them needs someone who can act like a sister, aunt, or motherly figure to them. Make them soup, listen when they need to talk, and not try to turn that friendship into a romance. Someone who can just be a friend, without needing to get anything back from them, other than the good feeling of getting to help and to nurture and encourage. I guess I just like to build up my own household/family by extending the meaning of family to include anyone who's lost their own.

For a long time, I lived in an area in which there were a few hundred homeless kids. A couple dozen of them came to my apartment, usually three or four a day. They'd ask for advice; I'd make soup or tea and feed them and listen to them. I'd let them get a shower if they wanted one, wash their clothes and let them borrow something of mine if I had anything in their size, and help them find places that could help them get what they needed -- food, a shower, clean clothes, school, a job, food stamps. I had about a dozen of them that called me their street mom, even though I wasn't living on the street and wasn't older than most of them; I was nineteen to twenty-five, they were anywhere from fourteen to twenty.

The overwhelming majority of those kids were homeless because their own parents had kicked them out of the houses for being gay, bisexual, or transgendered. They all wanted to go home. They wanted to be sons, daughters, sisters, brothers. They wanted to sleep in beds, do homework, take out the garbage, babysit their younger siblings, go to church, have their parents embarrass them in front of friends by pulling out the baby pictures. None of them wanted to be gay; they wanted with all their hearts to be what they were told they should be. They didn't choose. But, having finally understood their own natures, they also had the integrity and the bravery to be honest with their parents. You know how parents often say, "If you tell me the truth, I won't punish you?" Well, they learned that that was a lie. They were punished in the worst ways possible. They were kicked out. Some were violently abused beforehand. Some were beaten so often and so badly that they had to leave for fear of their lives; some were simply insulted, denegrated, and treated like garbage until their fragile, young self-esteem broke. Whenever someone tells me that gay people choose to be gay, I know that it isn't true. Who would choose to be something that's hated by those they want most to love them?

So, I make soup and tea. I hope that I can provide some of the acceptance that these poor kids crave and need. But it isn't enough, as much as I care. What they really need is to get that acceptance from their own families.

To anyone who says someone is too manly to be a girl, or too feminine to be a boy: They're too manly to be a girl like you, too feminine to be a boy like you. Maybe you're too girly to be a girl like them, or too manly to be a boy like them. There's more than one way to be a girl, more than one way to be a boy.

To anyone who says it's wrong: You are a finite human being. Don't claim that you're so All That that you know the mind of G*D. You don't.

And to anyone with a gay friend: They aren't trying to hit on you. What they want from you is that you should be a real friend -- take the time to learn about them, and care about them when they're afraid or hurting because of what someone else has said or done to them for being different. As a Jew, you should understand this. Six million Jews died at Nazi hands. You know how many gay people were taken and killed in the camps, often also tortured in some of the worst ways possible? Nearly ten million. And no one cared, because "they're perverts anyway." All your gay friend, sibling, parent, or child wants is for you to not look disgusted or afraid when they're telling you their most intimate secret. If you can't do that, it is YOUR failing, not theirs.

Oh wow, Divash... Your words made me tear...
You're such a wonderful person.

*hug* cry