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"if abortion is illigle, woman will obtain it any way in more dangerous situations!" More dangerous situation...? this is woman empowering how? This makes woman seem stronger then many people give them credit for how?

It's the equivalent of saying "if I can't have a pony, I'm going to jump off a bridge!!" Anyone who would actually do that is seriously ******** in the head. Maybe, y'know, women shouldn't be desperate to end pregnancies at all? Maybe it would be better for all women if no one was made to feel ashamed of being pregnant? If women never had to worry about how they would support their child? Ever thought about that tactic? Nah, legalising abortion is easier... stare

Hmm... I don't mean to be offensive by this, but it may come out that way: I do think that the Pro-Choice movement puts up this facade of being the logical ones with all the facts, and of being completely selfless, while implying that the evil Pro-Lifers want nothing more then to strip you of your freedoms and put you into slavery.

But really, from our side of the fence, most of the "facts" listed by Pro-Choicers are suspect at best. To us, it's obvious that Pro-Life is the way to be. All te indesputable facts support it; It's human, check, it's alive, check, what more do you need? It hasn't yet committed a crime that would justify death so, obviously, it should be allowed to live. To us.

And as far as loving and caring, I think she's ranting. However, the movement does seem to be fueled by desires, and supportive of irresponsibilities, in a way. What does the Pro-Choice movement want? They want abortion on demand, up to a certain time period depending on the person. What does this mean? Well, it means they can have as much contraceptionless sex as they want without worrying about that annoying STD, pregnancy. Who does this benefit? Them. I mean, everyone else too, but are they fighting primarily for other people? Don't be silly. And then you have the flagship Pro-Choice organization, Planned Parenthood, that not only supports abortion but stands to gain from it's remaining legal! I mean, I hate to think in terms of evil-corporations, but it isn't too hard to believe what I've heard about them giving out bad condoms. It's good business practice to make sure you have lots of business; That's why stuff is only warranteed until the day before it breaks down.

The thing is, you aren't just Pro-Choice Mako. The Pro-Choice movement doesn't define you, does it? I mean, you stated somewhere else that you support the death penalty, right? Well, the stereotypical Pro-Choicer is against the death penalty, so you stray right there. And it's the same with everyone; You aren't just a cookie-cut out of a Pro-Choicer. You're a human being, who believes that abortion should be legal.

These labels, Pro-Life and Pro-Choice, as useful as they are in figuring out who believes what, are really annoying like that. Just because I'm Pro-Life most people assume that my sole reasoning behind it is "God said so." And I hate telling Pro-Choicers that I'm a Christian, not because I'm embarrased of my faith, but because I know that as soon as I say that, no matter what arguments I use to support my position, all they will see in me is "Pro-Life Bible Thumper." Unfortunately, I also don't believe in lying unless it's a life and death situation, so it happens an awful lot. sweatdrop

Honestly, it's gotten so bad I avoid wearing T-Shirts that declare my religion or political beliefs, because it's a lot easier to make sure people don't just avoid me because of them if I inform them -after- I've met them. And that's just sad that so many people think of each other in such cookie cutter terms, and black and white imagery, that they stop being people, and become just "Democrat/Republican" or "Pro-Life/Pro-Choice."

*hugs*

I couldn't have said it better, I.Am.

See, this is why the Alliance exists. So that the labels are ripped off, and we are sitting here, posting, and interacting not as _____ or _____ versus ____ or _____. But human beings who are tired of the bickering and the flame wars and the stereotypes.

See, Chat, when I see you, I think of a kind and decent individual who is vegan, a good cook, literate, kind, and a good person. The difference is, you believe abortion should be a right that every woman should be entitled to, whilst I believe the opposite.

You know I luff you. You know I get along with pro-choicers very well. Look at meh friendslist! I got Reinna, Beatrix, Munkers, Nethie, and many, many more pro-choice friends. And I luff them all, even though their views contradict mine. I see them as fine women who are respectful of other peoples' viewpoints. Which is why I love them so much. And you know I love you, too. ^^

When I rant about the pro-choice movement, I don't pinpoint certain people. I'm not like that. I generalize, somewhat, and grumble about the pro-choicers who aren't like you, like you might grumble about the pro-lifers who don't luff you like I do.

I wasn't putting that post together, thinking, "Ooh! I'll piss another one off! HAHA!" I was thinking, "Gee. Why can't some pro-choicers be like the Choicers in the Alliance, or on my friendslist? God, I'm pissed. I have to get this off my chest."

Yeah, it's hilarious when you get a PM from someone saying "YUR SIG IS WRONG!!!111" when theor has a little picture reading "Pro-life, cause they can't get laid"

Divine: We are not allowed to call names in this guild.

it feels familiar to me too. and if you're thinking of the same thing, remember who came out victorious.

Mine's a personal experience actually, so I'm hoping it's not the same thing.