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 Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:43 pm
Victum Soul technical_difficulties Victum Soul Clasion Rainheart Victum Soul I agree with you on that speed = a type of thrash comment. And I'd say they play speed metal. They are not power, due to the lack of clean/high pitched vocals. Anyways, they suck, big time. What you forget, my friend is that metal is not catagorized by vocals. :3 It does have a bit of say so, but not enough to count something out. It does have keyboarding, epic solos and themes. :3 Which = Power. 3nodding Ask any mod and they'll tell you the same. That's because you made a rule for a mod to support that opinion. Metal is categorized by vocals, it's the lyrics that don't define it. Anyways, I'll never change your mind, so let's drop it. if metal is categorized by vocals, more than a half of the gothic bands would be black metal, cradle of filth would be scream-o, ayreon would be blatantly undefined, primal fear would be power metal and children of bodom would be death metal. Paradise Lost would be pop and Grave Digger should be categorized in a new genre all for its own, etc hahah sorry my bad. I should've explained that not only vocals, which I didn't say at all. Well Sonata Arctica and COB are very alike except their vocals but I think both are power, which is true. On a completely different topic (ie the thread name) would Chimaira be classified as Nu Metal? their 1st album was sadly but their every other one wasnt so..... any ideas?
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:27 am
You people are insane. Just unconditionally mentally insane. You just spent 15 pages in this topic alone arguing over what bands go into which category and whether they can be talked about or not. Then you go and say that "Nu-Metal" and "Metalcore" are not metal and are off-limits.
Ummm doesn't "Nu-Metal" have the word "Metal" in it? Sure does. And doesn't "Metalcore" have the word "Metal" in it? Ditto. And yet in this "Metal" guild, both genres are completely off-topic, nevermind the fact that as I said before, putting a band in a particular genre is highly subjective to personal opinion.
Personally, I've never liked the "Nu-Metal" tag, popular though it is with the media. I'm not entirely sure who coined the term and why but I would be more than happy to put those bands into a category that the All Music Guide likes to use a lot:
Alternative Metal.
With regards to Chimaira, they are what most people would classify as Metalcore, but I think a serious exception needs to be made in their case and should not be off-topic at all. I have been a huge fan since their first album and each one they release only sees the band getting heavier and nastier. Anyone classifying them as "off-topic" dies with my boots in their a**.
That includes you Clasi domokun
Oh and one more thing. Victum Soul you seem to think you know a lot about a lot, and you make sure everyone knows it. Before you start putting down all these bands that other people like, you may want to consider that they may do the exact same thing to you with a band that you like. My point is simple: If you enjoy a band's music, then listen to them. If you don't, then don't listen to them. Everyone here has an opinion and their own likes and dislikes.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:10 pm
Hydragon You people are insane. Just unconditionally mentally insane. You just spent 15 pages in this topic alone arguing over what bands go into which category and whether they can be talked about or not. Then you go and say that "Nu-Metal" and "Metalcore" are not metal and are off-limits. Ummm doesn't "Nu-Metal" have the word "Metal" in it? Sure does. And doesn't "Metalcore" have the word "Metal" in it? Ditto. And yet in this "Metal" guild, both genres are completely off-topic, nevermind the fact that as I said before, putting a band in a particular genre is highly subjective to personal opinion. Personally, I've never liked the "Nu-Metal" tag, popular though it is with the media. I'm not entirely sure who coined the term and why but I would be more than happy to put those bands into a category that the All Music Guide likes to use a lot: Alternative Metal. With regards to Chimaira, they are what most people would classify as Metalcore, but I think a serious exception needs to be made in their case and should not be off-topic at all. I have been a huge fan since their first album and each one they release only sees the band getting heavier and nastier. Anyone classifying them as "off-topic" dies with my boots in their a**. That includes you Clasi domokun Oh and one more thing. Victum Soul you seem to think you know a lot about a lot, and you make sure everyone knows it. Before you start putting down all these bands that other people like, you may want to consider that they may do the exact same thing to you with a band that you like. My point is simple: If you enjoy a band's music, then listen to them. If you don't, then don't listen to them. Everyone here has an opinion and their own likes and dislikes. Nu metal is thrash and experimental rock. Just becuase it has metal influences does not mean it can be considered metal. Alternative metal is just a term pansies use when they dont want to admit listening to Nu metal. Oh, and you can thank Korn for the Nu-Metal "tag," as they invented the genre surprised Just because you are a fan of Chimaira does not make them any less of a Metal core band. Also Heavier and Nastier has nothing to do with them being metal or not. If this is a Metal guild why would we talk about other genres of music? Thats like discussing My Chemical Romance in a all pop guild. Just becuase they have pop influences does not mean they fit in with the genres.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:53 pm
J O N 6 6 Hydragon You people are insane. Just unconditionally mentally insane. You just spent 15 pages in this topic alone arguing over what bands go into which category and whether they can be talked about or not. Then you go and say that "Nu-Metal" and "Metalcore" are not metal and are off-limits. Ummm doesn't "Nu-Metal" have the word "Metal" in it? Sure does. And doesn't "Metalcore" have the word "Metal" in it? Ditto. And yet in this "Metal" guild, both genres are completely off-topic, nevermind the fact that as I said before, putting a band in a particular genre is highly subjective to personal opinion. Personally, I've never liked the "Nu-Metal" tag, popular though it is with the media. I'm not entirely sure who coined the term and why but I would be more than happy to put those bands into a category that the All Music Guide likes to use a lot: Alternative Metal. With regards to Chimaira, they are what most people would classify as Metalcore, but I think a serious exception needs to be made in their case and should not be off-topic at all. I have been a huge fan since their first album and each one they release only sees the band getting heavier and nastier. Anyone classifying them as "off-topic" dies with my boots in their a**. That includes you Clasi domokun Oh and one more thing. Victum Soul you seem to think you know a lot about a lot, and you make sure everyone knows it. Before you start putting down all these bands that other people like, you may want to consider that they may do the exact same thing to you with a band that you like. My point is simple: If you enjoy a band's music, then listen to them. If you don't, then don't listen to them. Everyone here has an opinion and their own likes and dislikes. Nu metal is thrash and experimental rock. Just becuase it has metal influences does not mean it can be considered metal. Alternative metal is just a term pansies use when they dont want to admit listening to Nu metal. Oh, and you can thank Korn for the Nu-Metal "tag," as they invented the genre surprised Just because you are a fan of Chimaira does not make them any less of a Metal core band. Also Heavier and Nastier has nothing to do with them being metal or not. If this is a Metal guild why would we talk about other genres of music? Thats like discussing My Chemical Romance in a all pop guild. Just becuase they have pop influences does not mean they fit in with the genres. You're joking, right? You seriously think that Nu-Metal has anything remotely considered Thrash in the music? I think not, dear boy. Since you don't seem to know what Thrash is i suggest that you listen to the early releases of bands like Testament, Anthrax, Exodus, Megadeth and Metallica (prior to The Black Album) and you'll have a good idea. And the only experimentation on display in Nu-Metal is when a band waters down their sound so much so as to get on the radio or MTV and sell more albums. Honestly, I doubt I'll be able to talk about anything without getting smacked down. I see more posts on this forum arguing about things rather than those that speak of the virtues of the music and such. I'm still waiting for someone to make a master list of bands that can be discussed so I can really start posting in this guild. Oh and don't insult people in order to try and make a point. It only makes you look bad.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:45 pm
Hydragon Oh and one more thing. Victum Soul you seem to think you know a lot about a lot, and you make sure everyone knows it. Before you start putting down all these bands that other people like, you may want to consider that they may do the exact same thing to you with a band that you like. My point is simple: If you enjoy a band's music, then listen to them. If you don't, then don't listen to them. Everyone here has an opinion and their own likes and dislikes. They have put down bands I like, like stryper or europe. But, unlike you, I'm not being a whining b***h. I never said it's wrong to listen to nu-metal and/or metalcore. All I say is DON'T DISCUSS ABOUT THEM IN THE GUILD (except those threads made for this) If you wanna listen to britney spears or candlemass is your problem, not mine. Just don't post about it. Hydragon Oh and don't insult people in order to try and make a point. It only makes you look bad. Wow, didn't you say "You people are insane. Just unconditionally mentally insane" ??
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:10 pm
Victum Soul Hydragon Oh and one more thing. Victum Soul you seem to think you know a lot about a lot, and you make sure everyone knows it. Before you start putting down all these bands that other people like, you may want to consider that they may do the exact same thing to you with a band that you like. My point is simple: If you enjoy a band's music, then listen to them. If you don't, then don't listen to them. Everyone here has an opinion and their own likes and dislikes. They have put down bands I like, like stryper or europe. But, unlike you, I'm not being a whining b***h. I never said it's wrong to listen to nu-metal and/or metalcore. All I say is DON'T DISCUSS ABOUT THEM IN THE GUILD (except those threads made for this) If you wanna listen to britney spears or candlemass is your problem, not mine. Just don't post about it. Hydragon Oh and don't insult people in order to try and make a point. It only makes you look bad. Wow, didn't you say "You people are insane. Just unconditionally mentally insane" ?? LOL how exactly am I a "whining b***h?" Is it because I actually want to talk about music and would like to see people treat others with a modicum of respect? Is that just way too much to ask? Seriously, in just about every post you make you have to insult someone or something. Does that make you feel superior in some way? If it does then you need some serious help. I don't remember seeing anything in the guild rules that says that I cannot discuss Metalcore. It only says that I can't discuss Nu-Metal. And I can talk about a great band like Candlemass all I want; Doom Metal is allowed here. BTW the last quote was meant to be in jest, as in not to be taken seriously. Apparently, you take way too many things seriously. Lighten up! blaugh Anyways, I am done with you...
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:39 pm
Quote: You're joking, right? You seriously think that Nu-Metal has anything remotely considered Thrash in the music? I think not, dear boy. Since you don't seem to know what Thrash is i suggest that you listen to the early releases of bands like Testament, Anthrax, Exodus, Megadeth and Metallica (prior to The Black Album) and you'll have a good idea. And the only experimentation on display in Nu-Metal is when a band waters down their sound so much so as to get on the radio or MTV and sell more albums. Honestly, I doubt I'll be able to talk about anything without getting smacked down. I see more posts on this forum arguing about things rather than those that speak of the virtues of the music and such. I'm still waiting for someone to make a master list of bands that can be discussed so I can really start posting in this guild. Oh and don't insult people in order to try and make a point. It only makes you look bad. At this point I am trying my hardest to give you any respect. Nu metal by definition is a hybrid of Thrash and experimental rock. Im actually a fairly large Metallica and Anthrax fan. I know what thrash sounds like talk2hand Also, you obviously need to study up on experimental, watering down someones sound does not make them experimental. A master list of bands? All you have to do is post a metal band. Its not really that hard to decipher between Metal and Nu metal. Also, I never insulted you. It was a respectable reply that did not contain one insult, direct or indirect. One last last thing, why do you insist on insulting me and the rest of this guild, when you cannot even address all the subjects accurately yourself?
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:08 pm
I could continue to argue back and forth about this but what's the point? It's not serving any purpose and only harms the guild. I'm not here to start a war. I am not here to find people to stomp on. I'm here because I love the music and want to discuss it with people.
So I apologize if I offended anyone as that was not my intent. The subject has been dropped and I will not continue to pursue it any further...
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:24 pm
Hydragon I could continue to argue back and forth about this but what's the point? It's not serving any purpose and only harms the guild. I'm not here to start a war. I am not here to find people to stomp on. I'm here because I love the music and want to discuss it with people. So I apologize if I offended anyone as that was not my intent. The subject has been dropped and I will not continue to pursue it any further... One point in your favor. It's been awhile since someone said something like that. Thanks.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:06 pm
Hydragon You people are insane. Just unconditionally mentally insane. You just spent 15 pages in this topic alone arguing over what bands go into which category and whether they can be talked about or not. Then you go and say that "Nu-Metal" and "Metalcore" are not metal and are off-limits. Ummm doesn't "Nu-Metal" have the word "Metal" in it? Sure does. And doesn't "Metalcore" have the word "Metal" in it? Ditto. And yet in this "Metal" guild, both genres are completely off-topic, nevermind the fact that as I said before, putting a band in a particular genre is highly subjective to personal opinion. Personally, I've never liked the "Nu-Metal" tag, popular though it is with the media. I'm not entirely sure who coined the term and why but I would be more than happy to put those bands into a category that the All Music Guide likes to use a lot: Alternative Metal. With regards to Chimaira, they are what most people would classify as Metalcore, but I think a serious exception needs to be made in their case and should not be off-topic at all. I have been a huge fan since their first album and each one they release only sees the band getting heavier and nastier. Anyone classifying them as "off-topic" dies with my boots in their a**. That includes you Clasi domokun Oh and one more thing. Victum Soul you seem to think you know a lot about a lot, and you make sure everyone knows it. Before you start putting down all these bands that other people like, you may want to consider that they may do the exact same thing to you with a band that you like. My point is simple: If you enjoy a band's music, then listen to them. If you don't, then don't listen to them. Everyone here has an opinion and their own likes and dislikes. I don't take kindly to threats, there newby. :3 I've addressed the whole "it has the word metal in it" arguement multiple times, so forgive me for not entertaining you with a fulfilling response. If they are metalcore, they are off-topic, and I don't really give a s**t where your imaginary boot goes, if you post about them anywhere that they shouldn't be. You will be auto-banned. No if, ands, buts, mights, or maybes. Especially since everyone is telling you they aren't allowed. If you want to talk about them, go to a rock, or numetal guild. Otherwise you can stfu. Sorry to be so brash, but you aren't the only one whose made this argument. Whether you want a band to be metal or not doesn't make it metal or not. It has nothing to do with personal opinion and everything to do with predetermined classification.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:08 pm
Hydragon I could continue to argue back and forth about this but what's the point? It's not serving any purpose and only harms the guild. I'm not here to start a war. I am not here to find people to stomp on. I'm here because I love the music and want to discuss it with people. So I apologize if I offended anyone as that was not my intent. The subject has been dropped and I will not continue to pursue it any further... Sorry for that last post, but if a topic is simply dropped, you walk away with no more knowledge than you had before. :3
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:55 am
I think that it's time for me to leave now. I would love to stay and talk to you all about music but I just hate being walled in and told that I can't speak about certain genres of metal here. I've never been one to tolerate living in a cage or being told what to do or say; I'm just too fiercely independent and open minded.
No insults. No hard feelings. Just goodbye and good luck...
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:24 pm
Hydragon I think that it's time for me to leave now. I would love to stay and talk to you all about music but I just hate being walled in and told that I can't speak about certain genres of metal here. I've never been one to tolerate living in a cage or being told what to do or say; I'm just too fiercely independent and open minded. No insults. No hard feelings. Just goodbye and good luck... Dude its simple, if you want to talk about other bands do it somewhere else. We dont care what you listen to just talk about the metal you listen to here.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:46 pm
azeil_death Hydragon I think that it's time for me to leave now. I would love to stay and talk to you all about music but I just hate being walled in and told that I can't speak about certain genres of metal here. I've never been one to tolerate living in a cage or being told what to do or say; I'm just too fiercely independent and open minded. No insults. No hard feelings. Just goodbye and good luck... Dude its simple, if you want to talk about other bands do it somewhere else. We dont care what you listen to just talk about the metal you listen to here. well said, man. But he wouldn't understand it. Obviously he thinks we give a damn about what he listens.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:09 pm
Heres a question, would solo shred artists (Buckethead, Satriani, Malmsteen) be considered metal¿
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