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Zelyhon
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:06 pm


LunaInverse
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RDR is ordered! I got it for $37 whee I love Amazon!!
Stream will be very happy.

Me, I'm going old school, and am currently obsessed with Suikoden 5 for the PS2... rofl
PS2 RPGs for the win! XD

Is it bad that even though I got all sorts of new games and unplayed games that I still just want to go back and play through Persona 3 or Persona 4 on New Game+ right now? XD

Oh, and Luna/anyone else who likes RPGs and hasn't tried out the Persona series totally should. XD [/obligatory promotion of the game since no other friends seem to have played it.]

Persona 3
Persona 4
I think Kane played one of the Persona games. It was the one where you have to shoot yourself in the head to activate your powers...

Kinda creepy, if you ask me...LOL
That'd be Persona 3. Kinda hard to forget that particular mechanic. XD

Even though it is kinda creepy, I really still recommend that you try it out if he's got it. Such a good game.
4 is less creepy than 3, but just as good. No repeated fake suicide, just a good ol' fashioned supernatural murder mystery.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:23 pm


Zelyhon
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Zelyhon
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RDR is ordered! I got it for $37 whee I love Amazon!!
Stream will be very happy.

Me, I'm going old school, and am currently obsessed with Suikoden 5 for the PS2... rofl
PS2 RPGs for the win! XD

Is it bad that even though I got all sorts of new games and unplayed games that I still just want to go back and play through Persona 3 or Persona 4 on New Game+ right now? XD

Oh, and Luna/anyone else who likes RPGs and hasn't tried out the Persona series totally should. XD [/obligatory promotion of the game since no other friends seem to have played it.]

Persona 3
Persona 4
I think Kane played one of the Persona games. It was the one where you have to shoot yourself in the head to activate your powers...

Kinda creepy, if you ask me...LOL
That'd be Persona 3. Kinda hard to forget that particular mechanic. XD

Even though it is kinda creepy, I really still recommend that you try it out if he's got it. Such a good game.
4 is less creepy than 3, but just as good. No repeated fake suicide, just a good ol' fashioned supernatural murder mystery.

Persona is very big on symbology and imagery.

The idea behind the gun to the head is that the Persona which you summon is an aspect of yourself, an archetype which represents your inner self (which is why everybody except you can summon only one persona and a specific one which, if you know your mythology, kind of reflects that character's personality). The shooting in the head then is the act of expelling that aspect from the checkered room in your head, releasing it into the world so that it can alter your surroundings.

I wish that "kotodama" was carried on past Persona 2. Mechanically it wasn't a very interesting system but thematically and plot wise it was a crazy awesome plot device. The way it was worked in is fabulous too, and had a huge synergy with the concept of Persona themselves. Being able to influence the world through belief, which in turn is spread by word, so that great things can happen and history itself can be altered is such a sublime concept.

Just think about it, if enough people believe in something then it is as good as fact. Now imagine if you and the enemy are manipulating that power to try to reach your outcome. Consider that people will only believe so much so that the changes you make have to be minor, like spreading a rumor that a sketchy bar also discreetly sells guns under the counter so you can arm yourself, but profound enough that they can give you an advantage. Absolutely fabulous.

That said, I freely admit that my interest in the Persona series is entirely plot and concept based. I'm not a huge fan of turn-based RPGs or random-dungeons.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:27 pm


Dr. Fomite
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Cynder and I were talking up Borderlands in here too, when Kane and us were playing it almost every night. (another one I strongly suggest, and hope we can get an AG crew playing seriously... as in dedication, not our placement on the sane-batshit spectrum)
Ooh, you guys are still playing Borderlands? =o

I thought it looked really cool but I figured you guys would all have finished playing it by the time I got it. D: I may have to look into getting Live...

Once I finally take my 360 out of the box, yeah.

I have it too but I didn't know they were online. If I had I might not have put it down to play other things.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:18 am


WhiteJoker
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Cynder and I were talking up Borderlands in here too, when Kane and us were playing it almost every night. (another one I strongly suggest, and hope we can get an AG crew playing seriously... as in dedication, not our placement on the sane-batshit spectrum)
Ooh, you guys are still playing Borderlands? =o

I thought it looked really cool but I figured you guys would all have finished playing it by the time I got it. D: I may have to look into getting Live...

Once I finally take my 360 out of the box, yeah.

I have it too but I didn't know they were online. If I had I might not have put it down to play other things.
Heeeeeeeeeey, you. heart

I need to make more time for games that aren't Pokemon.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:00 am


OMG! It's a White Joker!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:44 am


LunaInverse
OMG! It's a White Joker!

*snugs*

Make sure you break Stream's knees before your wedding! Don't want him going anywhere now, right?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:04 am


WhiteJoker
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OMG! It's a White Joker!

*snugs*

Make sure you break Stream's knees before your wedding! Don't want him going anywhere now, right?
I've already got the ball and chain all set to go.

We'll try and post some pictures after it's all over with. I think I'll let Kane borrow my camera for the day.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:09 pm


WhiteJoker

Persona is very big on symbology and imagery.

The idea behind the gun to the head is that the Persona which you summon is an aspect of yourself, an archetype which represents your inner self (which is why everybody except you can summon only one persona and a specific one which, if you know your mythology, kind of reflects that character's personality). The shooting in the head then is the act of expelling that aspect from the checkered room in your head, releasing it into the world so that it can alter your surroundings.

I wish that "kotodama" was carried on past Persona 2. Mechanically it wasn't a very interesting system but thematically and plot wise it was a crazy awesome plot device. The way it was worked in is fabulous too, and had a huge synergy with the concept of Persona themselves. Being able to influence the world through belief, which in turn is spread by word, so that great things can happen and history itself can be altered is such a sublime concept.

Just think about it, if enough people believe in something then it is as good as fact. Now imagine if you and the enemy are manipulating that power to try to reach your outcome. Consider that people will only believe so much so that the changes you make have to be minor, like spreading a rumor that a sketchy bar also discreetly sells guns under the counter so you can arm yourself, but profound enough that they can give you an advantage. Absolutely fabulous.

That said, I freely admit that my interest in the Persona series is entirely plot and concept based. I'm not a huge fan of turn-based RPGs or random-dungeons.

So "Kotodama" is the rumor thing? I've been playing the English Innocent Sin patch a bit (although my computer borked so I have to start from the beginning again ughgghghg) and it is really awesome.

I wish they would remake the Persona 2 games, I have a hard time getting into playing console games on my computer.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:10 pm


Setting up my PS3 so I can stream video from my PC is frustrating... Soul Eater why are you running at x2 speed and with no sound on my TV stressed crying
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:37 pm


Suyo
WhiteJoker

Persona is very big on symbology and imagery.

The idea behind the gun to the head is that the Persona which you summon is an aspect of yourself, an archetype which represents your inner self (which is why everybody except you can summon only one persona and a specific one which, if you know your mythology, kind of reflects that character's personality). The shooting in the head then is the act of expelling that aspect from the checkered room in your head, releasing it into the world so that it can alter your surroundings.

I wish that "kotodama" was carried on past Persona 2. Mechanically it wasn't a very interesting system but thematically and plot wise it was a crazy awesome plot device. The way it was worked in is fabulous too, and had a huge synergy with the concept of Persona themselves. Being able to influence the world through belief, which in turn is spread by word, so that great things can happen and history itself can be altered is such a sublime concept.

Just think about it, if enough people believe in something then it is as good as fact. Now imagine if you and the enemy are manipulating that power to try to reach your outcome. Consider that people will only believe so much so that the changes you make have to be minor, like spreading a rumor that a sketchy bar also discreetly sells guns under the counter so you can arm yourself, but profound enough that they can give you an advantage. Absolutely fabulous.

That said, I freely admit that my interest in the Persona series is entirely plot and concept based. I'm not a huge fan of turn-based RPGs or random-dungeons.

So "Kotodama" is the rumor thing? I've been playing the English Innocent Sin patch a bit (although my computer borked so I have to start from the beginning again ughgghghg) and it is really awesome.

I wish they would remake the Persona 2 games, I have a hard time getting into playing console games on my computer.

Yeah. Kotodama literally translates into "the power of words," or something like that anyways. Traditionally it's kind of like magic, but in Persona, it's the influencing of belief through words. Since a lot of Persona deals with materializing abstracts, the pairing of kotodama, which brings form to the formless, and the Personas, which are form to archetypes, is just awesome. You'll find that a lot of what happens in Persona, and why things are possible, is due to the fact that people believe it to be that way as influenced by kotodama. At first the influence is relatively minor, but the further into the game, the more minor rumours and beliefs begin to escalate to insanity.

Oh, and the art for Persona is awesome too. Some of the Persona? Wickedly twisted yet so very fitting considering their namesakes.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:20 pm


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I need to make more time for games that aren't Pokemon.
You need to make more time for me mad

@Luna: I still wish I could come ;____; I hope it goes absolutely awesometastically phenomenally great.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:58 pm


WJJJJJJ

Did you see my seester this weekend? I haven't gotten the chance to talk to her much since she got back.

Also, while I'm really exited for the Gatorpocalypse, after this weekend there will have been five weddings in the past four weeks of people I know, and 4/5 of them are people my age (20-22 range). Augh. WHAT IS THIS.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:37 pm


My PSN ID is Lazax85. Friend me suckers! Also I will have RDR by this weekend.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:43 pm


WhiteJoker
Zelyhon
LunaInverse
Zelyhon
LunaInverse
Shoujo Phoenix
RDR is ordered! I got it for $37 whee I love Amazon!!
Stream will be very happy.

Me, I'm going old school, and am currently obsessed with Suikoden 5 for the PS2... rofl
PS2 RPGs for the win! XD

Is it bad that even though I got all sorts of new games and unplayed games that I still just want to go back and play through Persona 3 or Persona 4 on New Game+ right now? XD

Oh, and Luna/anyone else who likes RPGs and hasn't tried out the Persona series totally should. XD [/obligatory promotion of the game since no other friends seem to have played it.]

Persona 3
Persona 4
I think Kane played one of the Persona games. It was the one where you have to shoot yourself in the head to activate your powers...

Kinda creepy, if you ask me...LOL
That'd be Persona 3. Kinda hard to forget that particular mechanic. XD

Even though it is kinda creepy, I really still recommend that you try it out if he's got it. Such a good game.
4 is less creepy than 3, but just as good. No repeated fake suicide, just a good ol' fashioned supernatural murder mystery.

Persona is very big on symbology and imagery.

The idea behind the gun to the head is that the Persona which you summon is an aspect of yourself, an archetype which represents your inner self (which is why everybody except you can summon only one persona and a specific one which, if you know your mythology, kind of reflects that character's personality). The shooting in the head then is the act of expelling that aspect from the checkered room in your head, releasing it into the world so that it can alter your surroundings.

I wish that "kotodama" was carried on past Persona 2. Mechanically it wasn't a very interesting system but thematically and plot wise it was a crazy awesome plot device. The way it was worked in is fabulous too, and had a huge synergy with the concept of Persona themselves. Being able to influence the world through belief, which in turn is spread by word, so that great things can happen and history itself can be altered is such a sublime concept.

Just think about it, if enough people believe in something then it is as good as fact. Now imagine if you and the enemy are manipulating that power to try to reach your outcome. Consider that people will only believe so much so that the changes you make have to be minor, like spreading a rumor that a sketchy bar also discreetly sells guns under the counter so you can arm yourself, but profound enough that they can give you an advantage. Absolutely fabulous.

That said, I freely admit that my interest in the Persona series is entirely plot and concept based. I'm not a huge fan of turn-based RPGs or random-dungeons.
I'm still a fan of turn based RPGs and some random dungeon games, but the story and characters are the big draw. Once you took all that out (I'm looking at you, Persona 3 FES: The Answer), it just was nowhere near as compelling to play.

I actually like how they modified it for Persona 4 as well. It has the whole "inner self/inner demon" thing brought even more to the fore, since you [small P4 spoiler for those who haven't played]actually have to go and let the characters confront their personal Shadow Archetypes before they actually can use the power that would come from them. I thought it was an interesting contrast to Persona 3, which used a shocking event (fake suicide) to bring that inner self out. It fit very well with the larger themes of each game and with the general tones of the story (despair and trying to solve a problem as opposed to discovery and searching for the truth).

I'm pretty curious to see if/how they modify it for the inevitable Persona 5. Maybe they'll bring back Kotodama there. Since I just picked up Persona 2: Eternal Punishment and haven't played yet, I haven't actually seen that system in action yet, but I'm pretty curious to see how it might interact with the rest of the story. I also wonder which mythology will get its turn as the main one for the characters. We've had Greek and Japanese get games where the other characters have personae predominantly from those mythologies, so next game might have some others, which I'd be really interested to see how they're represented.

I do wonder what they could do with the Kotodama system, from how you describe it, with all the power and space that they'd have available to them on a next-gen system. It seems like they could really expand on what you could do and build it into something that would really change gameplay and possibly the path of the story. I wonder how they might weave in with social links, like you choosing to spread specific rumors would change how a social link would work out as the rumor impacts that person and their decisions and personalities. That, I think, would be a really interesting way to take it.

As much as I like the Social Link system and mechanics (so we can explore all the side characters and hear their own little stories), I was a little disappointed that the social links really didn't impact the main story as much as I might hope. This was particularly notable in 4, where all party members get a social link, but they never act differently in the cut scenes, like if you help them resolve their big issues or at festival time when the girl(s) you are dating don't all try and ask you out, leading to either some explosion or wacky hijinx as you try to go out with all 2-6 of them at the same time. XD

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:50 pm


WhiteJoker
Oh, and the art for Persona is awesome too. Some of the Persona? Wickedly twisted yet so very fitting considering their namesakes.
In general, I completely agree with you. The designs for the personas are all really creative and interesting (maybe moreso in the 2D art than how they're realized in 3D, but maybe more space will help fix that). There are a few, though, that I was disappointed with, Odin.
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