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MaddLlama

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:56 pm


Lozt_1
I was raised and born into this. I did not ask for it. I later left it as I did have a lot of moral issues that came up. Just cause you can't find or have not read a book on the subject does not mean a thing. There are lots of cultures today. That still pass traditions on orally. Are you saying that since there history is not written that it never happened? Since you can't find it in a text book or online database that they dont exsist? Get a clue life happens everyday as does many horrendous things. Just cause no one sees these things does not mean they don't happen. Thats like saying since no one sees miracles they don't happen. Shadows and dust get over it... I know what I know and your doubting of it will never change it...


Yeah, well there are plenty of cultures that have thier mythologies passed down as oral traditions, b ut we still know what they are. If you really were serious you'd be more willing to answer my questions, even just a few words. Why are you so unwilling to answer me? Why are you so shocked and stunned that there's someone out there who's not just going to listen to you adnd say "Hey wow that's cool".

I think that nobody's actually listening to what I am arguing, and it's pissing me off. I am not saying that you're not a witch hunter. I'm not saying that witch hunters don't exist. You said that "warlock" is an Old English word that means witch hunter. It's not. You can call yourself whatever you want, personally I don't give a crap. But, if you're going to say that "witch" is an ancient Celtic word for gardener, well you need something to back it up with.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:17 pm


Amabael
Lozt_1
I was raised and born into this. I did not ask for it. I later left it as I did have a lot of moral issues that came up. Just cause you can't find or have not read a book on the subject does not mean a thing. There are lots of cultures today. That still pass traditions on orally. Are you saying that since there history is not written that it never happened? Since you can't find it in a text book or online database that they dont exsist? Get a clue life happens everyday as does many horrendous things. Just cause no one sees these things does not mean they don't happen. Thats like saying since no one sees miracles they don't happen. Shadows and dust get over it... I know what I know and your doubting of it will never change it...


Yeah, well there are plenty of cultures that have thier mythologies passed down as oral traditions, b ut we still know what they are. If you really were serious you'd be more willing to answer my questions, even just a few words. Why are you so unwilling to answer me? Why are you so shocked and stunned that there's someone out there who's not just going to listen to you adnd say "Hey wow that's cool".

I think that nobody's actually listening to what I am arguing, and it's pissing me off. I am not saying that you're not a witch hunter. I'm not saying that witch hunters don't exist. You said that "warlock" is an Old English word that means witch hunter. It's not. You can call yourself whatever you want, personally I don't give a crap. But, if you're going to say that "witch" is an ancient Celtic word for gardener, well you need something to back it up with.

ok frankly he answered you dang question to the best of his ability you honestly dont care for other peoples lives do you. i asked my husband to share what he could with out put his life my life and our childrens lives in danger and you just keep calling him a damn liar. ok the gypsies dont write down their traditions and who hunts them (some stuff is known about the gypsies and then alot isnt known to outsiders) so does that mean gypsy hunters dont exisit. cause gypsies still come up dead by being murdered by unknown people and even known people. warlocks are pretty much like gypsies in a sense. cause not much is written bout warlocks only hand written books that are ancient from what i have seen.

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Lozt_1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:38 pm


1.)
http://crystalsands.wiccan.net/rituals-paganways/wfaq.html

Scroll down there is one site that says they are hunters.
2.)
Warlock: (Old English- wærloga, 'traitor', 'the one that breaks faith', literally 'oath liar')
1) A wizard, a sorcerer, a magician, a male witch; an evil spirit; a sprite; an imp; a man who holds the key that unlocks secret and supernatural powers; a man who practices black magick. a man who practices magick and/or witchcraft; a man skilled in the magical arts. 2). It is a common misconception that male witches are called warlocks. . The term was used to describe men who pretended to be witches in order to penetrate covens and betray them during the Burning Times. ergo witch hunter.

http://www.aznewage.com/dictionary w-z.htm

3.)In times past, Witches had "Craft names" in order to protect each others mundane identities so that if tortured, they could not reveal the 'real' names of their companions - at least that was the theory. Those who did expose fellow coveners to the Witch hunters were called warlocks - a term that to this day still means "traitor", and does not mean 'male witch'. Today, we still use Craft names, not so much for secrecy, as to help us change mental gears, so to speak. Just as you might put on a uniform to perform certain 'official' duties, or a costume if you are an actor, we remove 'street clothing' and perhaps wear ceremonial robes, and use our Craft names to help us enter the special frame of mind needed during ritual.

http://www.drwnet.com/wings/decwit.htm

I can find more if nessecary. Again I say I only know what I was taught and informed of through my youth.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:22 pm


Ok, but how does that relate to modern day? The reason they hunted witches back then is completely without application today.

And, technically it's not a "witch hunter". The people who lied to discover who the witches were weren't hunting witches like people hunt deer. So, technically it's a bit of a stretch, but for the sake of my sanity I'll concede.

MaddLlama


MaddLlama

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:23 pm


MrsBHavin

ok frankly he answered you dang question to the best of his ability you honestly dont care for other peoples lives do you. i asked my husband to share what he could with out put his life my life and our childrens lives in danger and you just keep calling him a damn liar. ok the gypsies dont write down their traditions and who hunts them (some stuff is known about the gypsies and then alot isnt known to outsiders) so does that mean gypsy hunters dont exisit. cause gypsies still come up dead by being murdered by unknown people and even known people. warlocks are pretty much like gypsies in a sense. cause not much is written bout warlocks only hand written books that are ancient from what i have seen.


Ok, obviously you didn't read my post at all so I'm just not going to bother to refute anything here...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:24 pm


Amabael
Ok, but how does that relate to modern day? The reason they hunted witches back then is completely without application today.

And, technically it's not a "witch hunter". The people who lied to discover who the witches were weren't hunting witches like people hunt deer. So, technically it's a bit of a stretch, but for the sake of my sanity I'll concede.


so you are saying a persons family tradition is fake and a lie? I understand...

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MaddLlama

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:43 pm


MrsBHavin
Amabael
Ok, but how does that relate to modern day? The reason they hunted witches back then is completely without application today.

And, technically it's not a "witch hunter". The people who lied to discover who the witches were weren't hunting witches like people hunt deer. So, technically it's a bit of a stretch, but for the sake of my sanity I'll concede.


so you are saying a persons family tradition is fake and a lie? I understand...


Did I say it was a lie? No, I said translating the word in that way is a bit of a stretch, but now that he's answered my question clearly, I understand what he's saying.

BUT, I do want to know how it works today. The witches they killed in the middle ages are far from what witches are today. So, I will ask again, why do they hunt witches, and what falls under the category of witch. If they hunt witches for the same reason they hunted witches then, they are living in the past and ignoring certain information. Besides, especially when we talk about the hunts in Salem, it's been shown that most of not all of the accused witches weren't witches at all. Bakc then everyone functioned on the idea that Wicthes were working for Satan. A cursory look into witchcraft practices today will show that's not true today. Unless however you're talking about satanists and satanic witches, which is something different altogether.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:55 pm


It is a fanatical view if you will of times past. They believe it maintains and keeps balance within the "veil" or nature if you must. Some have said it is done just to see a person go through so much pain and survive. If you took the actual time to read the previous statement I have made when asked then you would probably understand a bit more. We thrive on the energies built up within those that perform the arts or rites. Some individuals can be like a well or bucket and just flow with Energy. The practices went from simple rights to counter act heresy into elaborate ceremonies of blood letting and torture. Why it still goes on is one of those things left to be realised by a rational mind. Old habits die hard. If it is taught from a young enough age then even canabalism can be seen as normal. So the tradition lives on till someone breaks the cycle. Although I have a number of siblings and other reletives who will not speak or even acknowledge me now. Though I stand strong by my decision to leave. You can take it how you want but I know it have known it and will never return to it. Why they still do it I myself may never truely understand; but why do some faiths still believe they are fighting a holy war? We may never know the real reason...

Lozt_1


MaddLlama

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:02 pm


well, all I'm going to say further on the subject is that if you know that members of your family are murdering people in cold blood, no matter how indoctrinated you were or how much you care about them, if you care about other people you have the responsibility to do something about it. If you just let it happen, you're no better. And, even if it's just like the mafia, there are protection programs so fear for your life is not the end all be all excuse.

And, even though I don't think the people who run Gaia care, but if they did and they had reason to believe that you know someone who goes around murdering people they could go to the police themselves if they were so inclined.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:06 pm


Amabael
well, all I'm going to say further on the subject is that if you know that members of your family are murdering people in cold blood, no matter how indoctrinated you were or how much you care about them, if you care about other people you have the responsibility to do something about it. If you just let it happen, you're no better. And, even if it's just like the mafia, there are protection programs so fear for your life is not the end all be all excuse.

And, even though I don't think the people who run Gaia care, but if they did and they had reason to believe that you know someone who goes around murdering people they could go to the police themselves if they were so inclined.

he never said he say somebody killed or anything

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Lozt_1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:06 pm


I would wrather see the entire human race, (Which I view as the green stuff on a rotten orange) Become extinct. Then turn an individual in for something they believe in. Also I never mentioned that I have seen anyone Killed only tortured. And torture is not illegal. Otherwise some peoples Sexual practices would be illegal.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:54 pm


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:44 am


So....they catch them, toture them, and then let them go? And, nobody's gone to the police or done anything about it? And, besides didn't you say you got out because of the legalities involved? If it's not technically illegal then why use that as a reason?

And....there's no reason to bump the thread. I do sleep, and I do have a real life and can't be on the computer 24/7.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:08 am


Amabael
So....they catch them, toture them, and then let them go? And, nobody's gone to the police or done anything about it? And, besides didn't you say you got out because of the legalities involved? If it's not technically illegal then why use that as a reason?

And....there's no reason to bump the thread. I do sleep, and I do have a real life and can't be on the computer 24/7.

excuss me i bumped because i can i made this thread so i can do what the hell i want in it sides if i want to make gold good for me

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Lozt_1

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:10 am


I have not went into any details as to what kind of things are done to avoid the obligatory legal storm that could follow. One fears what they do not understand...
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