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 Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:23 pm
Heh. I agree, though on a different subject... I'm thoroughly exasperated with Shaggy's incessant manifestation of new powers and abilities. I just want this thing to be over with, so I can go back to actually fighting rather than waging microcosmic wars on people's bodies...
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:29 pm
Obviously stabbing him in the eye again won't work. Shove a blade through his heart so that fancy bloodmaking of his will do him no good.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:35 pm
I had a similar idea. That and I have to force him out from his little seal.
Of course, he says that his little bond o' necromancy is still working, and also that a sink-hole formed (and was opened by a single person running, while he who supposedly weighs more than a human wouldn't have broken it.) when he released his mini-volcano.
So, I'm gonna get creative. Not sure how yet, but I'll make it work. I might eventually just ask for a judge call on the fight, though.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:40 pm
Ah, creativity.
That's out the window in my fight. I'm just going with flat basics until he actually does something that makes me think. Or was... the last two things (well, no the last one but the one before it) were decent enough so that I had to do something unconventional. Otherwise it's just been bodyslams and stabs.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:48 pm
xd
Well, hopefully I'll get this thing done with so that we can get to the next round. Like I said, though, we may go to a judge vote.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:49 pm
Howdy, dudes. I was talking with jello. He thought it would be amusing if I posted this.. conversation Viper: I am warning you, I will pwn you with my uber powers in which I have practically no basis for." Vahn: Bring it. Viper: But, I am warning...... Vahn: BRING IT ASSWIPE. Viper: *brings it with supposing Pwnzing power of which have no basis* Vahn: *survives enough to be his equal* Viper & Vahn: *falls in accordance the high and mighty Jello's numbers* Jello: Vahn Wins. Viper: (( WWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH *beats hands and feet on ground like a lil baby* )) inumaniac: Summarizes everything? TheMightyJello: Yep.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:54 pm
lmao. Jello, we might have another faller for ya...
See, I just realized someat; Shaggy has told me on multiple occasions that his body is especially dense, like a tank, etc. So, then, if my blast and his creation of earth darts weakened the ground as he says, he'd fall through before Trei even got there. And if he DOESN'T fall through, why would a normal 160 lb. "person?"
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:55 pm
And there's the first paragraph of your response.
Go forth, my child, and pwnxxor.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:01 pm
I thought I heard some science up in here.
Still looking for it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:05 pm
Fenrir Fenix I thought I heard some science up in here. Still looking for it. Gonna hafta backtrack through the past several pages for numbers. However, apparently my quoted convo with Jello summarizes the entire match of Vahn versus Viper and the science involved in it. That is what I am understanding.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:10 pm
I saw. Seems what I heard was more along the lines of the thrashing, moaning, and screaming of Newton in his grave. However, it seems to be dead and Jello has attacked me before with a turtle shell for provoking. So in conclusion; bunnies. 
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:15 pm
Yay, previously-formed-holes-in-shaggy's-arguments!
They make this fight so easy, because he's set himself up for everything that I do to him.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:16 pm
Just so I can be sure you see this Jello. I'm not ******** refusing, or not caring, or any of that. We have two weeks left in this semester, I have projects, finals, and generally overwhelming crap to do. In addition I've had more family related crap shoved into a single month than I thought was physically possible. So Jello... get off your damn high horse and try to realize that other people have lives too. I'm here now, its not like we're the last fight, our branch is 1-2 full rounds further than the others, you can wait a bit ya? Vahn... I'm seriously disappointed that our fight it ending this way, I had fun. I can see why you don't want to roll a die, I don't want to either. I want to win, but all this crap is just ruining OOC relations. Lets be serious here, all the math in the world isn't going to tell us what we want to know. We'd have to simulate the experiment, or find someone that has. And that just isn't going to happen. ============================================== themightyjello Jans Viper I'd like to start with the statement that I don't think the impromptu rule change from 10 feet down being out of bounds to "whoever hits the ground first" is on the level. In fact, I respectfully object. You agreed before when I asked. And I'm allowed to change my opinions. Quote: Quote: 1. Jello got me thinking on this one when he said in passing "People are top heavy." He's right, they are. Thing is, Viper isn't people. You have more mass in your chest and shoulder area than in your a** and legs. >_> Right, so you've just proved my point for me. Viper's not going to flip over and fall head down. He'll fall back down. Quote: Quote: 2. A blade would not increase Vahn's wind resistance noticably, if at all. A sword is a weapon of edges, the Coup de Grace is a diamond if seen from above straight down the length. Wind resistance is a concept of flow, introducing an edge does to that flow what it does everything else, divides it. To increase your wind resistance you would need to add an aspect of resistance to your mass (i.e. additional surface area), not a divider that would cut through. This is the concept behind missles, arrows, and all other projectiles versus things like planes and skydivers. (An aside, skydivers control direction by tilting their body's to decrease the surface area being aplied to wind resistance, creating an angle that you then "slide" down across the air.) That's all very nice, but a sword has flat surfaces. The point of introducing a flat surface as an addition to total surface area in regards to reducing total wind resistance isn't one I'm going to argue. It just doesn't have anything behind it. It has something behind it when its one of the big major points you've been arguing, I'm pretty sure you went so far as to say the sword was the difference between winning and losing one time. And of course it has flat edges, its a wedge. If it was rounded it wouldn't be a sword. Quote: Quote: 3. Speaking of skydiving, here's the first big nasty thing that we've been missing. If we're falling as far as we're falling to reach the ground (Somewhere between one and two thousand feet far as I can see) and Vahn is as human as he has been toting for the past several posts... he suffocates to death, or passes out long before either of us hit the ground. (I don't know the height, I asked so very many times but no one answered) Yeah, he did. Didn't you see it? (You said a mile down was too far, so I pegged it at anywhere from half that distance to a fourth.) What? Did what? See what? Quote: If you still don't believe me, say so, and I'll go look up the science for it on medline. I still don't believe you, but it doesn't have anything to do with the fight. I'll admit that it would be more difficult to draw breath, but in no way would it be impossible to glean a little bit of intake off of that venturi there. Quote: You're right here, I missed the section on oxygen osmosis. Quote: Quote: 4. Next problem, same result. If we're falling that far, that fast, Vahn's going to either pass out or die from the massive altitude change and/or air-pressure levels. Its called the bends Which is nitrogen bubbles in the blood, which clog veins and arteries and cause nitrogen poisoning and all that. It's caused by changes in pressure. A thousand feet at roughly sea level isn't going to kill you like 2-3 atmospheres of pressure in diving might. We're talking the height of a tall building, and that isn't really the stratosphere... especially considering we're starting at 0 and going down. Yeah, but we're going way under sea-level here. Somehow I doubt anyone's ever fell this far under the earth in such a large hole. Atkinson's resistance is the formula (I... think, its for smaller spaces, again we're looking at something that has never been done) Quote: 5. Next we have the math problems. Jello, I don't know where you got your numbers but this physics book I'm looking at says the terminal velocity of a skydiver without parachute open is apprx. 125mph. Quote: I linked it. Check it out. It has quotes from the various sources it pulled the numbers from, one of which is a physics book, others being records of skydiving and so on. I did Jello, you pegged Viper at falling 200mph. =/ Which is the equivalent to a professional skydiver doing everything possible to go faster. Don't try and skip over the parts you missed, I'm not. Quote: 6. So here I am looking at the equation for terminal velocity, and all I gotta say is you've got some seriously messed up math. Quote: That's what happens when you don't have any numbers to work with. Any. All you have to do is ask, clearly. Not hidden away in some random post I may never see. You have post my AIM and you can PM me. Quote: Quote: Yes, its a pain to figure this out, but I'm up for it now. Give it a shot, show your work. Remember to calculate the exact wind resistance for a naked man with a stomach wound and another guy going spread eagle with a sword between his teeth or whatever. =/ I love how things keep changing with this. I need to find Vahn's first post on the matter. -_- And he's just as injured as I am remember? But sword slash, all the burned away soul and crap? Quote: I suspect that Viper is a great deal lighter than Vahn, what with not being human and all at this moment in time he weighs 135lbs. Quote: How many times did I ask for that number? How many pages did we discuss it? How many times did you pop in to give a witty comment during that discussion without actually giving any real information for us to work with while trying to calculate your fate? When? And refusing to give you my weight is a whole helluva lot different than not posting for a week. As for "witty comments" I even mentioned in the one post I made that I was only on for a small amount of time and hadn't read much. Quote: before passing the 200ish feet of falling Quote: ...at what point was 200 feet ever a number in any of this? Ever? I don't think I ever used that number at all. Are you serious? =/ That's the number we started at, in the actual thread. Quote: Nice rant, Viper, but... you've got some messed up facts in there, as well as a wrong interpretation on what the rules currently are in regards to that, and you refused to give me your weight for what seemed like the better part of a week so I was forced to assume that both were roughly the same and calculate without it. I... have... been... busy... not... re... fu... sing... ============================================ Vahn... Vahn Vahn Vahn... I can tell you're getting pissed beyond reason. Your little crossed out part is... interesting and tells me you can hardly stand to read any of this crap either. I explained the damage part a couple posts back in reference to the weight question. "Making this s**t up" is what your crap looks like too. Mostly because we didn't exchange profiles or any of that s**t, so neither of us really knew any damn thing. As for weight, not only am I lighter than you physically but I'm also naked and aren't you wearing armor? As for how and what... yeah, I made it up. I made it up when I made Viper. Its not real, none of it is. And your Berserker picture... =/ Haven't you already gone back and edited that out? Cause this... Is a far cry from spread eagle with a sword stretched out to the side or in his mouth. EDIT: But those are Jello's words, not yours, sorry. =/ Yes, yes, endurance. That's been your answer to not dying from the sword slash, being able to fly after burning away part of your soul, flying when you said you could barely move, stabbing a man through and through even though you were injured and supposed to be out of power, using those wings to then explodey Viper, and now using it to drag yourself through the air. Human potential, yes its wonderful. I know you know your own character's limits, just like I do. But seriously man, what are they? "But don't try to tell me what should kill my guy or not-- I know his limits and can realistically keep them in mind while still making my posts fantastic to read. " I was suggesting you jackass, on what I assumed to be true. Don't get your panties in a knot. Its a pretty standard occurence in RP. The sword's not in my gut, you've got it. Having no energy is far different from being defenseless. I'm still a ******** monster. EDIT: And you were still strong enough to shank me.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:31 pm
I have been able to explain the amount of 'power' used in action by Vahn, and the following reaction of said usage on his body in every single post I made.
You on the other hand just have the loophole explanation of 'being able to draw out as much as you want from an indeterminable amount of source that is basically meant to be locked away but can still be accessed when I want'.
If you want to look at the bare bones of it--- like the early issues of spawn, in which Simmons power meter was set at 999.
Thus, with each usage of his power the counter was slowly depleted-- at which time it was said when it reached zero, he would be sent back to hell.
Vahn started out with the 999 and it slowly was lowered throughout the fight. (I say slowly, but there were instances in the fight where this rapidly sped up, like when I jacked your s**t)
The majority of 'power' that I threw at you came from YOU. Your sphere of destruction which I basically jacked and used to power myself up enough to try and go toe to toe with you, because nothing else was going to apparently work.
The REMAINDER OF POWER SEEN IN THE LAST FEW ACTIONS UNDERTAKEN BY MY CHARACTER CAME FROM THE SACRIFICE AND RELEASE OF STORED ENERGY WITHIN THE THREE ITEMS HE HAD ON HIS PERSON WHICH RESULTED IN THE SLIGHT TIME PARADOX AND THUS A VAHN DID DIE IN THIS FIGHT BUT NOT THE ONE YOU WANTED.
Are we clear?
Do we understand that Vahn did not generate the energy to fly, have his body be moved through flight, and stab into you from his own reserve?
Do we understand that the final boon in ability was granted by the broken items of legacy?
Good.
I posted the bersker picture in the OOC.
I never edited it out of anything, nor have I EVER edited anything out or changed something in this fight.
Have you seen Chrno Crusade as well? The chick loses bits of her soul to feed Chrno's power? Yea.
I struck you with a SOUL CHARGED attack twice, and twice you shrugged it off.
I hardly think two times is enough to make my soul become nonexistant.
The last action, of Vahn using the sword, is nothing but pure human grit, gumbo, moxy, balls, UMPTH.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:32 pm
Jans Viper I'm still a ******** monster. And what are you made of, o' monster of mine.
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