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0.o Crap, I thought I mentioned he was keeping the flaming part away from him. Cause previously he nearly landed on his back and kicked back up to stand on his hands while still having his front facing Rivven. >.< I mean yeah, the flaming back would be a nice thig to point at Rivven, but its also a big crack in his back...

I can go ahead and post if ya like because I apparently forgot to mention that, but that fact might just change what you'd want to do. >.>

Well, here I am. Awake, free of work for the moment at least, and realizing what needs to be done.

Hi everyone, I'm the writer behind Viper, Mal, Cole, etc. etc. etc. You can call me Jans. My apologies for my tardiness and general surliness over the past few weeks, life has been busy.

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Alright... final words final words. My final words involve a great deal of actual thinking done now that I have a clear head.

I'd like to start with the statement that I don't think the impromptu rule change from 10 feet down being out of bounds to "whoever hits the ground first" is on the level. In fact, I respectfully object.

That aside, I've put some thought into both situations.

-If we do the big fall to touch-down
Falling due to gravity is all well and good, but nearly everything that has been said here has missed a few very large and critical points.

1. Jello got me thinking on this one when he said in passing "People are top heavy." He's right, they are. Thing is, Viper isn't people. My whole fight and character spanning theme has been that Viper is made of the same composite body make-up through and through. He is in fact not top heavy. Same as Vahn got to clarify how he's falling, Viper is going back down with his hands covering his gut and mouth. This reduces his surface area wind resistance only by the measure of his hands and arms.

2. A blade would not increase Vahn's wind resistance noticably, if at all. A sword is a weapon of edges, the Coup de Grace is a diamond if seen from above straight down the length. Wind resistance is a concept of flow, introducing an edge does to that flow what it does everything else, divides it. To increase your wind resistance you would need to add an aspect of resistance to your mass (i.e. additional surface area), not a divider that would cut through. This is the concept behind missles, arrows, and all other projectiles versus things like planes and skydivers. (An aside, skydivers control direction by tilting their body's to decrease the surface area being aplied to wind resistance, creating an angle that you then "slide" down across the air.)

3. Speaking of skydiving, here's the first big nasty thing that we've been missing. If we're falling as far as we're falling to reach the ground (Somewhere between one and two thousand feet far as I can see) and Vahn is as human as he has been toting for the past several posts... he suffocates to death, or passes out long before either of us hit the ground. Cause I'll remind all of you, the oxygen tanks for skydivers are for use on descent past a point as you're falling, not for how high you start. Incidentally this will happen long before either of us reaches terminal velocity. This is because our lungs can't pull in air when its moving by that fast. Don't believe me? Go ask a friend to drive down the freeway at 65mph, stick your head out the passenger side window and try to breathe. If you still don't believe me, say so, and I'll go look up the science for it on medline.

4. Next problem, same result. If we're falling that far, that fast, Vahn's going to either pass out or die from the massive altitude change and/or air-pressure levels. Its called the bends, though it might have a different execution in mid-air than it does underwater the concept is the same. This is why skydivers have to pull the chute at a certain level, not because they'd be going to fast if they pulled it later, but because they need to keep their change in speed gradual enough so it doesn't kill them.

5. Next we have the math problems. Jello, I don't know where you got your numbers but this physics book I'm looking at says the terminal velocity of a skydiver without parachute open is apprx. 125mph. and an experienced skydiver can reach 160mph. For Viper to hit 200mph, he'd have to be swan diving. Even falling headfirst (which he isn't) it would be physically impossible because his body would be contorted out of position to make that smallest surface area fall.

6. So here I am looking at the equation for terminal velocity, and all I gotta say is you've got some seriously messed up math. Yes, its a pain to figure this out, but I'm up for it now. I'd like you to notice the position of m mass and A object's cross-sectional area. Now while it seems this is all a fine and dandy balancing act that only benefits Vahn's greater A you're not taking into account the weight of either combatant. I suspect that Viper is a great deal lighter than Vahn, what with not being human and all at this moment in time he weighs 135lbs. What do you weigh Vahn? Lets stop guessing and actually find this out.

-If Jello goes "Oh s**t, that's not really fair is it?" and puts the original rules back to the way they are.

Viper has ten feet on Vahn, neither reach terminal velocity before passing the 200ish feet of falling, Vahn goes out of bounds before Viper.

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@Vahn and his pictures

Cute, wrong, but cute.

You agreed before when I asked.


Which is why it's fantasy, not science. We try, but we can never have reality.


You have more mass in your chest and shoulder area than in your a** and legs.


Yes, this is why I said "headfirst" and not "like a bat out of hell" or whatever. Without actively trying to direct his fall he'd follow the path of least resistance, which would put his head and shoulders down, with his legs trailing behind like a comet tail or whatever you want to relate it too. Center of mass is high, hence why it goes down first.


That's all very nice, but a sword has flat surfaces. The point of introducing a flat surface as an addition to total surface area in regards to reducing total wind resistance isn't one I'm going to argue. It just doesn't have anything behind it.


(I don't know the height, I asked so very many times but no one answered) Yeah, he did. Didn't you see it?


I still don't believe you, but it doesn't have anything to do with the fight. I'll admit that it would be more difficult to draw breath, but in no way would it be impossible to glean a little bit of intake off of that venturi there.


Which is nitrogen bubbles in the blood, which clog veins and arteries and cause nitrogen poisoning and all that. It's caused by changes in pressure. A thousand feet at roughly sea level isn't going to kill you like 2-3 atmospheres of pressure in diving might. We're talking the height of a tall building, and that isn't really the stratosphere... especially considering we're starting at 0 and going down.


I linked it. Check it out. It has quotes from the various sources it pulled the numbers from, one of which is a physics book, others being records of skydiving and so on.


That's what happens when you don't have any numbers to work with. Any.


Give it a shot, show your work. Remember to calculate the exact wind resistance for a naked man with a stomach wound and another guy going spread eagle with a sword between his teeth or whatever.


How many times did I ask for that number? How many pages did we discuss it? How many times did you pop in to give a witty comment during that discussion without actually giving any real information for us to work with while trying to calculate your fate?


...at what point was 200 feet ever a number in any of this? Ever? I don't think I ever used that number at all.



Nice rant, Viper, but... you've got some messed up facts in there, as well as a wrong interpretation on what the rules currently are in regards to that, and you refused to give me your weight for what seemed like the better part of a week so I was forced to assume that both were roughly the same and calculate without it.

Disregarding the fact that I can't throw numbers or figures at you---

If you are going to basically tell me that Viper's mass is LIGHTER than Vahn, I want to know what your smoking and why your making this s**t up as we go along.

To do the kind of damage you do, and take the kind of brunt force you do-- there has to be MASS there, even IF you ARE nothing but compressed energy of an alternate reality, or whatever the hell is it this Destruction stuff is.

Your basically trying to pass off that your as light as a feather and made of nothing but air now.

Logic strictly speaking, that raises flags in my head.

Disregarding that-- let's go with Viper wieghing less than Vahn. What is it exactly that he is made up of? How can we exactly determine what he weighs with this unknown material-- what holds it together, etc, etc, cakes and longcats.

How do you arrive at the number you did, with the unknown factor of substance making up his body? Is he all hallow from lack of organs and bones? No spine? What a can of worms...

Second point-- Viper is freefalling with NOTHING abouts him, let alone anything affecting him anymore.

Vahn has the sword, and as evidenced with the bersekr picture I threw out, the situation is thusly applicable.

If you can be the nexus for super destructive energy and have it make up your entire being without needing to breathe, eat or sleep (from lack of organs) then I can do what Guts did in the manga panel.

Vahn is not STRAIGHT freefalling, he's curving in mid-air making his fall last as long as possible, through use of the blade, to recieve the wind pressure.

And his body is TAKING damage from doing the technique, ontop of the damage he has already sustained from just trying to survive your Big Bang attack.

You basically unleashed the energy of a galaxy-- possibly all existence into a tightly compact area, and now bitching about me using your own sword to slow my fall down?

Vahn's already practically walking dead--- like when Rock Lee got back up out of reflex after Gaara crushed his arm and leg. Its the body acting on instinct and his immense will to live, survive-- that tangible human aspect that everyone has.

And he's just trying to last a minute longer while bleeding to death.

Another point-- for your wind pressure, bends, arthritis and diarrehea argument---



I'm sure you've read One Piece.

Sanji and Zolo both take MASSIVE damage that SHOULD kill normal people every day. I'm pretty sure Zolo bleeds out mroe than the body should be able to hold as well on a daily basis-- but he still trucks ON.

It's called endurance. maybe epicly so.

But don't try to tell me what should kill my guy or not-- I know his limits and can realistically keep them in mind while still making my posts fantastic to read.

Vahn IS human, but he's not a plain old ordinary human.

While all we know about you is your basically the unretconned Beyonder.


As for your very first point--- the 'rule change', was made by Josh MANY weeks, maybe a month ago.

I had no problem with it, and neither did YOU at the time.

But now that I stand to win because of the 'first to drop' thing, you want to speak out about it.

Talk about being a sore loser.

As for the math issue-- thats in Josh' court, you take it up with him.

And now you suddenly got a good ten foot jump off of Vahn's body, with a sword sticking out of your gut and having apparently survived an explosion going off inside your body and having zero energy to work with?

Lol, nice.

Weapons:

Efreet's Fang

Efreet's Fang is Vahn's sole weapon, an artifact sword given to him by the caretaker of Maximos' Shadow Realm. Although the Fang is seemingly a magic blade, its true power has not yet fully awakened. A warning has been issued that the sword must never come in contact with another devil arm; Efreet's Hand.

From the outside it appeared to be little more than an ordinary Epee style Rapier. Though it was sheated in an oridinary black and dusty sheath the blade seemed about 3.5ft long, very thin and only about 2inchs wide.

The hilt of the blade though was most magnificent. It was decorated with a luxurious cup shaped hand guard. And decorated in a similar manner to the greaves. It was made of a sort of dark metal with blood red trimming and the same myriads of tiny engravings along it.

But it would also seem a bit big for this class of blade. It was thicker, and a bit longer, but Vahn be able to feel the light weight of the blade as he pulled it from the sheath and beheld its beauty.

The swords blade itself was shaped like a thin flame reaching upwards to a point, with several points of fire reaching outward. It was thin, but just thick enough for the blade not to bend, and each spike was sharped so that the point and both side of the sword were razor sharp. The blade itself held a very strange design. The metal of the blade was a burnt black as if it had never been polished, or would never be polished. And yet one could still make out the dull firey color textures it once held. All and all the blade felt as light as a feather.

Omen:
When you grasp the hilt of this weapon, regardless of the ambient temperature, the blade is always scalding with over 1,000 degrees to the touch, and it seems to reflect the image of a great conflagration on it's surface, even when no fire is present.

• Ignition:
  The moment the fire began to burn on the blades surface, the question of why its hilt was so big and bulky was answered. The blade black itself seemed to glow a fierce red as if it had just been pulled from the forge and then suddenly, it too was engulfed in flame, but this flame form lasted only a few moments before the sword began its transformation.
  
  Vahn would almost instantly notice an increase in weight as the sword moved up from a simple one or two pounds to closer to 20 pounds. The flame that engulfed the blade forged itself. It thin and cut until it lost all semblance of flame itself. The once jagged rapier blade now only served as the core of a large, straight Flamberge. The sword grew now instead of 3.5ft long and 2inchs wide it was a full 4.5ft long and 5inches wide. The soot and ash had burned cleaned off the rapier blade leaving it as the shining and powerful core of this new Fang mode. With enough effort one could still wield the blade with on hand, only much slower. But, there was still room on the hilt for another hand if need be. The new flaming blade had the appearance of constantly, and yet sluggishly moving molten magma and yet it was still quite solid.
  
  
• Fang Combo I:
  Two horizontal slashes followed by a huge vertical chop. This probaly has the slowest attack and the last vertical is fairly easy to sidestep.
  
  
• Fang Combo II:
  One high slash, followed by two slashes at ankle level. The two low slashes will tend to sweep opponents off their feet or unbalance them even if evaded.
  
  
• Dive:
  Leaping high into the air, Vahn comes down hard with a big a** vertical chop. He skys like Mike and is able to leap over low attacks.
  
  
• Stinger:
  A rapier technique, Vahn lunges forward and spears the enemy. This move is a great way to approach enemies swiftly and knock them off balance, so that other attacks can follow.
  
  
• Stinger V.2:
  Rapidly shifting from Rapier to Flamberge, Vahn lunges across greater distances and impales an enemy with greater force making it his longest-reaching attack. Don't abuse this move because it is wll-telegraphed and a savvy player can side step it.
  
  
• Armor Break:
  A vertical slash followed by a lifting slash that bashes an enemy into the sky.
  
  
• Crescent Drive:
  When in it's true state, the flames that surround the blade are deadly, and multiply the damage of its slash. It can create a vacuum condition when it releases the compressed heat. Releasing the compressed heat via a rising slash that shewns a great gash into the floor, extending it into the ground and causing dust to be kicked up by the cutting effect. This sends a maximum concussive force of 275 pounds per square inch (sufficient to topple a filled garbage truck at 100 feet).
  
  
• Rock Drill:
  A rapier technique that utilizes advanced flame control to repeatedly anchor the tip of the Fang onto a target point. Repeated withdrawals of the blade away from the target, and the subsequent attraction of the blade's tip towards it creates a series of thrusting attacks that, with sufficient skill, can create a drill-like force that can punch through a target, or burrow through various obstructions.
  
  
• Whirlwind Sword:
  A rapier Technique where by using momentum from a spinning motion, a fast and wild attack is performed. The user swings his/her sword in wide strokes all around them, using the momentum of the rotating motion to increase the speed of the second attack until a rapid combo of strikes is performed all around them. With the wild, long strikes used in this attack, there is not a true aimed shot at a specific place, but because of the large area and rapid succession of each attack at the right distance, it is becomes difficult to avoid this attack.
  
  
• Explosion:
  Efreet's Fang. A weapon not created by humans, but a weapon of legacy created for the terrastrial avatar: Efreet. It is a blade that stands on top of all others in the category of flame swords. An amplifier that transforms the owner's will into "flame", and increasing the kinetic momentum by convergence and acceleration, it is a flame sword that makes use of Avatar class flames possible.
  
  From a third person, it looks like a gigantic ray of light, but the attacking point is just the tip of the light. It is the "Ultimate slash" which tears apart all objects that the "layer" passes through. Its massive will lets it carry heat other than its tip, and as a result, it can be taken as a wave of light that sweeps the earth. It can also be said as an energy weapon with a direction.
  
  
• Final Flame:
  The Fang of Efreet can be broken in a retributive strike. The breaking of the sword must be purposeful and declared by the wielder. All energy currently in the sword are instantly released in a 30-foot- radius globe. All within 10 feet of the broken sword take severe damage, those between 11 feet and 20 feet away take moderate damage, and those 21 feet to 30 feet distant take minimal damage. The character breaking the sword has a 50% chance of traveling to another plane of existence; if he or she does not, the explosive release of energy destroys him or her. After all charges are used up from the sword, it remains as shards.

Hand of Efreet(Right forearm)

This gauntlet uses the elemental power of fire to strike down enemies with flaming retribution. Although extremely powerful, the Hand requires that Vahn fuel it's power with his own blood.

An ashy black object, matching the look of the fang, as well as the greaves. It looked like a tube of sorts covered from one end to the other with small runic etchings in a dark crimson color, sort of like blood engraved into the metal of the object. Near the center of the object toward its top half was an orb of sorts, it was a dark red. The orb, known as "Eye of Efreet" responds to any source of flame, magical or not and feeds off of it.

When wielded by an unworthy wielder, that person will lose their arm. Forms a symbiotic relationship with host, whom can hear the 'Flame'. The gauntlet can appear as an ornate looking bracelet, when wielded it expands across the forearm of the wielder, shredding clothes, covering the flesh like armour. The armour seems subjective as to the level of threat. Faced against mortals, it will usually generate less armour than when faced against a demon of hell.

Omen:
When you wear the Hand of Efreet, the runes sketched upon it would glow a brilliant red, as would the orb itself. A series of sharp pains would rip into the arm, as if a thousand burning needles were poking into the forearm at the exact same moment. The hand would then pulse, like a second heart beating deep within the forearm. With each pulse of this firey heart, the flames within the orb swirled seemingly forming a fire storm within itself.

• Slumber:
  The only method of putting the otherwise chatoic power of the Hand, to rest. The item undergoes a transformation into an item of lesser value, thus "resting" until it is needed. It takes the form of a bracelet, with a single red orb in it's center.
  
  
• Manipulation:
  By tapping into the elemental core of the flame, one can use it to image any shape, construct, object, or weapon the wielder can think of out of fire from any part of his body at will. The only solid element of the flame is a thin wire, but it is quite powerful, as it is forged from the owner. You may not feel the loss on such small creations but as they grow larger and more complex they will begin to tax you.
  
  So far, Vahn can form swords he has seen, and shields. He can also shoot flame blasts from the hand or projectile flame darts, and whip-like grapples to wound or for climbing.
  
  
• Flame Ruler:
  Fire Elementals can't attack the wearer, or even approach within 5 feet of him. If the wearer desires, he may forego this protection and instead attempt to charm the elemental. If the charm attempt fails, however, absolute protection is lost and no further attempt at charming can be made.
  
  
• Flame Tounge:
  The wearer of the Hand is able to converse with creatures of the fire plane, as well as elementals. These creatures recognize that he weilds the Hand. They show a healthy respect for the wearer if alignments are similar. If alignments are opposed, creatures fear the wearer if he is strong. If he is weak, they hate and desire to slay him.

Efreet's Greaves

These greaves, the third in the set of Efreet items, were given to Vahn by the same benefactor. The kicks he can deliver with these leave even the toughest enemies reeling.

A pair of black boots with blood red trimming and soles with a metal that was a dull black but its outline was a blood red, and running all through the metal and the boot itself were silver engravings forming a myriad of tiny runes in some unspeakable ancient language, the runes themselves forming the outline of fire rising up the metal plating.

Omen:
When you wear the greaves, regardless of the ambient temperature, they are always scalding with over 1,000 degrees to the touch, and it seems to reflect the image of a great conflagration on it's surface, even when no fire is present.

• Ignition:
  The moment Vahn's flames touched them they reacted. The silver engravings would quickly fill with as if some sort of molten flame built below them causing the many tiny runes to glow fiercely. And then, without warning the boots literally were engulfed in flames. The flames kept close, to the actual greaves only forming a very thin superheated and vaguely transparent glow, an aura if you will. The aura served to literally thin the atmosphere around his feet. It made them feel lighter, faster, stronger. There would be no friction to his kicks, it would be as they soared through nothing at all. Or almost as if the Greaves themselves propelled them.
  
  
• Air Hike:
  Vahn can jump into the air, pause by gatheringheat at the base of his feet, then spring-board off the gathered flames. This is tiring and takes a lot out of a person when used more than once in succession of the base jump. One must also be prepared to compensate for the fall that comes afterwards. During the pause, the user cannot perform other actions than the jump, or else the succession will be broken and they will fall back to the ground.

Items

• Coin of Virtue:
  The reward recieved for participating in PoC, and defeating Amp. It gives him extra healing but at the cost of toning down some of his heated ablities for a while afterwards.
  
  
• Calm Band:
  Perhaps in complete contrast to his personality, Vahn now had a strange band around his upper arm. For a very taxing amount of energy he would be able to stretch one second out into a ten second peroid to the point it seems like ten seconds.
  
  Of course, you wouldn't be able to do anything that would take more than a second. It would be just like having a breather to make plans.
  
  
• Gem of Friendship
  The dull red of it would spark as light hit it. It was a tiny carving in stone, refined with magic. At first glance it would be a tiny mask, ruby coloured. But look deeper and weaving around itself, was a dragon, trapped within the maze of the overall shape.
  

.......Vahn has nice pants.