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 Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:49 pm
Useless question because Viper is starting above Vahn.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:11 am
Mmm.
I like the idea of the competitors dragging themselves across the ground to beat eachother with rocks. Caveman, mmm.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:22 am
If you want to talk density... then Viper should be falling all the faster if he;s made up of 'tough leather' or whatever it is that make shim so Epicly resistant to blunt injury, inside and outside.
His blows should be weighted like a ******** ton-- like how Spawn weighs over friggin' 500 pounds cause of his necroplasm body tissue.
And the sword is not being pointed downwards, in fact I tried having him ride the sword, like a skateboard (something I actually did in PoC, if you remember Josh).
But he's holding it, like attempting to cleave the wind, what N_I basically explained.
'cause honestly, just holding it down vertically ain't gonna do s**t.
And I don't see what else I can possibly post.... a judge should just post with the decision IC and save both guys from falling endlessly into whatever abyss Viper's Big Bang created.
Either way-- this fight is done and I can't be arsed to post anymore.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:20 am
Tac, I think we hit an anticlimatic end. Not a surprise, and I don't know if the bombs might even give him a little drag of power again, but I can't see either of us fighting while hanging onto the sides of walling.
So, guess as I see it, we either pretty much end here, or both scale to the top of this collapsing tube, and struggle to the end on the top as it collapses beneath us.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:06 am
@ Deity: I do. Haven't you noticed? @ Viper: Hanglider. That totally steers by pointing straight down. @ Dreslin: Still ignoring you. @ Vahn: I washed my hands of PoC. @ Judgement: The point was brought up that Viper isn't human. I don't see how this can do much else than hurt him. What matters in free fall is weight vs. surface area. Obviously Viper is the size of a person and the shape of a person, so the surface area will be the same as a person. As for his weight... he's apparently made of some sort of ooze that condenses into glass-like things? Or something. Hell if I know. Though what really matters is how much does Viper weigh. If it's more than an average person, he will fall faster. I can't really imagine that it would be less than a person, considering what Vahn just said about all that immunity to being smashed by things, and the fact that Viper said there's no water in there so we're pretty much going with that he's made entirely of dense, semi-solid material? This would make him fall faster than our original estimates. We've established how much that 'hangglider' effect can cut down the speed. We've clarified that at the point in question both fighters are at 0 momentum, with Vahn at height 0 and Viper at height 10. We're going to assume at least several hundred feet of drop because this 'bubble of doom' was enough to take out the coliseum (which has a 500' diameter for the interior, including arena and stands). Because of these factors, and assuming no other actions are taken to modify the situation, it is my judgement that Viper's headfirst rag-doll dive lands him securely in the lead position when crossing the finish line.Everybody happy with that? I mean... as much as you can be. I can't imagine Viper would be completely happy with it but I at least hope he's happy enough to agree with it and the reasons behind it. Maybe I've got a slight bias, maybe it's a tad unprofessional for me to moderate the fight because of that, but there's only two questions that need to concern that: 1) Is it getting in the way of my judgement? 2) Is there anybody else who's going to crunch these numbers? Fin.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:34 am
*Audience applause at credits.*
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:41 am
*Bow. Bow. Curtsie. Is apparently wearing a skirt?*
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:41 am
*Le sigh* And I'll just remain silent cause I know I'm biased. XD
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:42 am
Tacitus *Le sigh* And I'll just remain silent cause I know I'm biased. XD Speak up anyways. Bias or not, do you see anything wrong with the data?
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:58 am
I didn't bother to read the calculations and don't know quite enough about the material of Viper's body to give any true insight. I do know that the shard of destruction one of my character's once possessed was incredibly light, even for its small size, but beyond that I have no idea.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:37 pm
Could always ask if Moo agrees with you Josh.
There's way too many x factors to take into consideration and we're trying to keep the variables as simple as possible.
Because theres also the fact if both characters would be able to remain stationary after said bubble of doom big bang shebang thing.
Normally bodies tend to get moved away from the nexus of explosions... but ********' Viper, b***h! vs Goddamned Vahn.
Who's plot armor is thicker?!
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:40 pm
I'd actually have to agree with the numbers, Jello. My only problem is, and maybe I've missed it already being mentioned, but.. What metal is Viper made of? Dense as it may be, a rough estimate of the type of metal & it's general weight would be lovely.
Also, reading back from this, the metal's semi-solid. But is it more along the lines of.. a durable, yet stretchable metalloid, or are we talking some kind of very strong & weighty gel-esque substances? If it can distribute blunt shock & force better than the average metal, that may be a rather distinguishing factor as well..
Off-topic, but matters like this are why I try to avoid pulling the ol' "Let's ram ahead as fast as possible, WEE!" scenario in a fight. domokun
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:42 pm
Viper isn't made of any sort of metal, Omi...
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:45 pm
Commissioner GPD Information on Viper Uplink activated...
Tacitus Nusradai....
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Voice print accepted...
Opening Vault files on Viper...Level A Terrorist.
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To PWN a Nation
Strengths
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Defense: Viper is extremely resilient to most types of damage, his entire body is the armor for his being. Due to its nature he is immune to lasting piercing and slashing damage, such a wound will quickly be healed or regrown. With his magical and supernatural abilities in addition to the perfect physical vessel that is his body Viper is a nearly indestructible juggernaut. Additionally the clothing he wears is also of scientific origins created with supernatural skill and precision for added protection.
Offense; Ranged: With magical and supernatural abilities focused solely on death and destruction Viper can lay waste to almost everything he sets his eyes on. Fortunately, through the efforts of Tacitus, Bolt, and many other valiant forces of good the majority of Viper's power has been sealed away from his use. As things stand anyone encountering Viper needs to be watchful of focused beam and ball type attacks. The majority of Viper's current powers include the precise control of power.
Offense; Melee: Unlike the majority of his ranged abilities Viper's melee capacity has not been diminished in the least. Insanely fast and strong with training in a multitude of martial arts and special forces tactics Viper is more skilled by far at close combat than at ranged.
Weaponry; The Snake's Tongue: A blade of what appears to be red glass the Tongue is anything but. About an inch and a half wide and no more than 2 cm wide with an almost infinitely variable length. The Tongue can move, extend, retract, and strike completely independant from Viper's will, or in perfect harmony with it. Besides the ability to move and change it shape the Tongue is incredibly strong and sharp, but has no other special abilities.
Jormungandr: A massive wave blade flamberge with a red bound hilt, snake's head pommel in what looks like gold with rubies for eyes, and a simple gold looking crossguard. The blade looks to be thousand fold blue steel with the image of a massive viper entwining a phoenix, sinking its fangs into the phoenix's neck while the flames consume them both. The weapon is actually a single piece of an unknown but incredibly dense metallic alloy. It is assumed that Jormungandr has a myriad of supernatural abilities, but none of them have been used in combat to date.
Speed: Viper is naturally fast enough to step-dodge a bullet, but with his magical abilities he can increase this speed to almost inconceivable levels. Any sort of exponential speed increase is usually accompanied by a temperature drop as Viper absorbs the latent heat enery in the air.
Awareness: Viper's subconsious mind picks up all the minute clues fed to him by all five senses. He can predict the actions of an opponent simply by watching their movements and physical responses as well as pick up on a myriad of other things that are processed without needing his conscious awareness.
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Chinks in Any Armor
Weaknesses
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It must be noted that with his magic amplifying his natural abilities Viper's weaknesses diminish greatly.
Without his magic Viper would becomes more vulnerable to water and cold based weaponry or attacks, with his magic he will unconsciously emit enough heat to eliminate this weakness entirely.
As stating above Viper is immune to lasting damage from piercing and slashing weaponry, which makes bledgeoning damage the only rational alternative. (Gunfire, with very few exceptions, is considered piercing damage.) Anything big and heavy hitting him with a shitload of force is likely to do noticable damage.
If no one around is a master in melee combat adept enough to take him down and/or you have no close combat mecha explosives are your best bet. Artillery fire would hurt like a b***h, as would any sort of non-shoulder mounted rocket barrage or bombing run. Mecha, large monsters, etc. anything that can put a serious asswhooping on without the need for extreme skill in martial arts works as well.
Beating Viper senseless is your best plan of attack. While individually ever part of Viper's body is insanely strong, as a whole they represent his being manifest. Think of hitting the whole thing instead of just wailing away on the non-vital parts.
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Like Walking a Minefield
Warnings
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Viper is literally a one man army with his powers, and only slightly less so without. His defensive and offensive capabilities are almost unmatched, and his speed and cognitive awareness are nothing short of remarkable. He can and will walk through a weak opponent like a knife through butter. Often he will let an opponent have a sort of "free shot" to see just how futile fighting against him is. Above all else Viper enjoys toying with an opponent and derives pleasure from wholesale destruction. If things get worse, the kid gloves will come off.
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To Every Lock a Key
Winning Strategy
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1. Take away Viper's magic and/or supernatural abilities. With them he is nearly impossible to defeat. Without them he becomes a bit more manageable. It also makes it so he won't just blow the living crap out of anything that moves.
2. Restrict his movement; if he can move freely it is doubtful anything you throw at him will have any chance of making meaningful contact.
3. Don't let up; if you give him a moment reprieve he will have answers that he did not have a moment before. He will slip your traps and decimate your ranks.
4. Don't hold back; if you think what you have ready to smash him with is enough, get more. If it comes down to him being trapped in one spot for long enough for you to order an airstrike, order two and your artillery to boot. You can never be too careful.
5. Above all else do not underestimate Viper; he's not considered a LAT for petty trifles.
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Don't, No, Not Even Then, Still Don't.
Things NOT to do.
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Any weaponry that is fire or heat based not only won't work, but will probably make him stronger. This is true even without his magic.
Water in and of itself will not work, as it would turn to steam under enough heat.
Nuclear weapons will not work, the energy output by a nuclear weapon is too similar to the destructive energy the makes up Viper's being.
He has no vitals or joints in the human sense of the words, attacking his knees, shoulders, heart, brain, throat, etc. specifically is a good way to learn a lesson in futility.
Blowing him apart, cutting him to pieces, or tearing him apart is not a good idea. The basis of Viper's body is total individual strength, it WILL put itself back together. Again, beating it senseless is the way to go. Could always just derive information from this here profile.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:21 pm
Tacitus Viper isn't made of any sort of metal, Omi...
And.. wow, Viper. [Hangs his head with a prompt shake.] You really went to town with defenses on this guy.  Since nuclear energy is apparently rather similiar to the energy he is made up of, you may as well have given him the ability to set off atom bombs with his pinkies or something with all of 'at stacked up. Also, disappointing that he can't eat enemy souls and exhale the universe.. and where the Hell's the knee-cannons-that-can-decimate-ten-square-miles, VIPER!?
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