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themightyjello


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:26 pm


Okay... that... didn't inform me much.



Basically we've got a few things to consider:

1. How much space there is left between them and the ground at the time they separate.
2. How much space there is left between them and the ground at the time they separate.
3. How hard Viper double-jumped.


...that's really the only thing to it. The term 'terminal velocity' refers to the maximum speed that an object will fall. The pull of gravity continually accelerates falling objects at a rate of 9.8 m/s/s. What stops this from just continuing to increase limitlessly is the air. Wind resistance increases with speed, eventually reaching the point where the resistance given equals the pull of gravity: that is terminal velocity.

Obviously the best way to decrease this is to get greater wind resistance. We can assume this is what Vahn is doing... with Viper dropping like a limp noodle he'll be cutting straight down headfirst most likely and have a higher drop speed than Vahn.

Once he gets up to speed, that is.

As it stands, that little air hike stunt severely reduced his velocity, which means that for every second before he gets up to speed, Vahn is getting that much further away from him, and it's at the end of this, once Viper gets to a higher speed than Vahn, that he'd start gaining ground and eventually pass him.

Problem is, more likely than not there isn't enough drop space left for that, since it'd probably take a good 20 seconds assuming Viper managed to reach a full stop with that maneuver (or much less depending on how effective that hike of yours really was).

So... unless you two want to assume you've got another thousand feet to fall, or that Viper's desperation move was about as worthwhile as farting really hard, I'm not seeing a strong case for the Iron Will.

Strictly science speaking.

This is fantasy though, so however you two decide to play it is how things go.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:58 pm


Viper has no more than ten feet of actual vertical distance on Vahn if Vahn didn't move downwards at all when Viper jumped off him. Which should only be about a second's difference in falling time. And if we're looking at three seconds (which someone mentioned, I don't know who) it wouldn't be enough. Would this be a double ring-out?

Jans Viper



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:10 am


I think we're already past the point of accurate assumptions. xd

You're already both well past the ring-out point, though I sort of stated a 'whoever hits ground first' rule, if I remember correctly, and nobody seemed to have any arguments. Beyond that, we don't really have an accurate picture of how much space there is between the two of you and the ground.

If there's only like 10 feet of distance between you after all of that, and you've got that second, then yeah, I'd imagine his desperate roll of the dice might have saved his a** that precious moment between one thud and the other.

Though, again, that's really for you guys to decide... or, I suppose, you specifically.

Double ring-out? That'd be them both getting there at the same time, or so close that it'd be hard to distinguish. As it stands, there's no rule on who would advance given something like that, and only one may advance. mad

A double ring-out would likely cause some stepping it up of the fighting. You'd have to finish the match on the ground if either of you could still move. A double-KO would probably mean someone had to make a decision on points.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:26 am


*shrugs* I have no idea if what he's trying works. I'm sure someone does. Though if it comes down to it I'll go look up the science.

>_> Tomorrow though.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:27 am


Do a dice role, if it comes to double KO.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:30 am


If you want to cast it to fate, then...

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TheMightyJello: They asked for a judge call on who would hit ground first, I told them to decide between themselves. They asked about a double ring-out. I told them that in the end there can only be one, just like the Highlander.

Though, y'know, if it happens then we should probably decide what happens next.
Anonymooo: Here's the easy way out.
Anonymooo: Have them both roll a d6.
Anonymooo: Best of three, whoever rolls lower hits the ground first.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:32 am


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*shrugs* I have no idea if what he's trying works. I'm sure someone does. Though if it comes down to it I'll go look up the science.

>_> Tomorrow though.

Your best bet would be looking up skydiving.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:33 am


Isn't there a limit to how high one can be inthe air as well.

Or is that boundary like airplane level.

Here's my science:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:35 am


Eh, screw it. Link:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/JianHuang.shtml

According to this and the various textbook and lecture examples they cite (lots of them), Vahn should be falling roughly 60% as fast as you.

...man. I think that clinches it.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:36 am


So.. viper would be falling straight down, while Vahn's in a curve towards the ground, with slightly better control of his fall and presumably able to 'ride' it out a bit or something.

Would that mean Viper has the higher rate of fall or are they both still the same rate.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:40 am


There's a limit to how high planes can go, because the air is thinner the higher you go and if it gets too thin then planes can't get enough lift to support them. Jet turbines > propellers in this regard, and better design and all that. Light materials are also a definate plus... though that has nothing to do with how high people can be.

I'd say people can be high enough to where they... y'know... pass out from the air being too thin, or from hypothermia.



As for the falling rates *cites from the site*

[ "The more compact and dense the object, the higher its terminal velocity will be. Typical examples are the following: raindrop, 25 ft/s, human being, 250 ft/s." 76 m/s ]

[ "The terminal velocity of a falling human being with arms and legs outstretched is about 120 miles per hour (192 km per hour) - slower than a lead balloon, but a good deal faster than a feather!" 53 m/s ]

[ "A person has a terminal velocity of about 200 mph when balled up and about 125 mph with arms and feet fully extended to catch the wind." 56 - 89 m/s ]

Basically, Viper would be able to reach a speed maybe 160% of what Vahn would in that scenario. If there wasn't much room between them, and Viper didn't slow himself much, and there's a second or more of falling time left... these numbers seem to suggest that Viper's sword saved Vahn's a**.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:42 am


So... in layman's terms?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:46 am


Yeah, but you're forgetting that Viper has a moment or two's upward momentum before he starts to drop, and isn't curled up in a ball.

Though the rest of it, yeah, I can see how Vahn's terminal velocity would be lower than Viper's. But he should reach it faster, and the difference would be way smaller than 75mph.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:47 am


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So... in layman's terms?

*Thinks.* Seeing as you two, we can assume despite all those internal monologues, have been falling for roughly 10 seconds... *shrugs*

He speeds up faster than you. He falls faster than you. With ten feet of difference between you but no difference in speed at that point, and a couple of seconds left to fall:

You're Rocky the flying squirrel.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:51 am


Jans Viper
Yeah, but you're forgetting that Viper has a moment or two's upward momentum before he starts to drop,

I ASKED THIS AND YOU KEPT AVOIDING THE SUBJECT.

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and isn't curled up in a ball.

Which makes his T.V. higher than the one listed for the ball curling, which was the one I listed as the 60% comparission of him to you. It'd probably be more like 40-50% then, meaning you'd fall twice as fast.

I also like how Terminal Velocity means 'the killing speed' in a loose translation. razz

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Though the rest of it, yeah, I can see how Vahn's terminal velocity would be lower than Viper's. But he should reach it faster, and the difference would be way smaller than 75mph.

If neither of you are at it yet, he might not reach it before you do. The thing being, his is lower, and he's also going to accelerate slower, especially near the end... while you'll rocket downwards way past his speed before you start slowing significantly in the acceleration.



...again, rambling facts off. It's really just about how much space you have left to fall, because he WILL outlast you pretty quick given these numbers... a lot faster than I'd originally thought.
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