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Vincent. V Ex-~

PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:39 am


Moo IS actually alive. And here I thought the oppressive zombie farmers got to him, zombie cows 'n' all.

*Rollin'*
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:01 pm


Imperfect-Chaos

That doesn't quite explain how you're supposedly tangling up "threads" that are only hypothetically there and don't actually exist in any real way.

And having a vast learning curve still doesn't explain to me how he's replicating what he doesn't know exists.(I know I can be dense sometimes, but hey at least I'm, apparently, a lucky dog.)

Speaking of lucky, you've unknowingly taken advantage of two of Legacy's weaknesses in this fight. lol


Alright... lemme switch your questions around so I can better answer them. Cole's power work largely on conceptual learning. If you're doing something, his power will adapt and store a copy of that power based on the difficult and rarity of the ability in his mind. Now a lot of times, such as when a power is based on a racial trait such as Angelic, Demonic, or your Caida the "storage space" is rather.... large. When its finished I wouldn't doubt it will take a full 20% (About the same as Cole's full repetoire of psionic powers and energy).

Which brings me to how its being stored, and adapted for his use. The technique's absorbtion is done through a mix of spiritual, psychic and purely sensory input over a period of time. One could say he has some of the most delicate and thorough metaphysical senses in existence. Thing is, they're entirely unconcious for the most part, so they're only a facet of learning power until they are needed as an extension of such.

In this case, those senses have extented into his conscious mind to make the Caida into an understandable occurence. "Tangling" and "pulling" are purely metaphorical terms, what his power are doing is using your Caida's senses against it by created false data along those pathways. The energy buildup was the first time he tried it, and his rough hand in doing so was what made it so... OMG HUGEZOR ALL AT ONCE!!! And then poof, gone.

The repeated dropping and raising of the walls wasn't really necessary, it was to analyze the Caida's responses and its presence as it was transcribed in and out of the space of the walls. Partly so he could make it seem like a wall wasn't there when it was, partly so he could further understand the power as he assimilated it.

Jans Viper


Kawaii Kool

PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:29 pm


*holds his breath as he hopes he got Ryu with a ring out*
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:44 pm


God damnit, you guys need to hurry up in the FFA.

Star_Burst007


Psychofish

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:32 pm


How so?

Sure, there are some matches left, but the FFA is so far ahead of everyone else that if we keep a goodly speed, we'll end up hitting a stop at some point where nothing happens at all until the other branches catch up.

Besides, these seem to be some matches worth having going on in it. And some of them haven't gotten very far either. Strike that, one match has gone the equivelant of nowhere, didn't realize we were down to three.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:55 pm


No worries about that one guys, no offense to Shaggy but Trei's going to eat him alive. >_>

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:05 pm


I really don't want to go all out so early.

I was saving the fun stuff for Yuuske...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:27 pm


What's the picture of?

Imperfect-Chaos


Psychofish

Dedicated Loiterer

PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:30 pm


I'm not surprised.

Rivven was forced into a stirring the Ahj'Kratuel against Mindblaze, and the cases look about the same except that Mindblaze is a chicken-wuss ubermage and you have a guy who will actually fight you in something that can be called combat. Both are built massively powerful all the time.

As I see it, Rivven vs. Mindblaze is going roughly the same way as your fight, changing only that A) my opponent forced me into a magic based battle, you've both been keeping more alike usual combat B) my opponent uses everything and I do crazy s**t with water, you both use fire and snappy comments.
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Imperfect-Chaos
What's the picture of?
Devil-Vahn? Something like that. It has to do with either Vahn's 'dark side' coming out, or else just the Efreet. Though, little as I know, the two might be a part of each other even, or the same entirely. [/talking'cuzitlookslikeVahn'soffline]
PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:41 pm


Alright... I may have missed some bits here and there but I'm pretty sure I can lay all your worries to rest.

Lets see... where to start...

1. On Cole knowing about the Caida and being able to respond to it.
-He really doesn't, but sunconsciously his mind can comprehend what's happening. I'm sure you've heard of the saying "Feeling someone's eyes on you." Well that's the same kind of thing that's going on. Its your senses, your intuition, and your cognitive awareness rolled into a mix and saturated with a good deal of Cole's unique learning power to make one tasty batch of cookies. Its how he knew to batten the lid on his normally well protected mind down tighter when the Caida was observing it, the range of such a thing is... impressive.

2. On how fast its happening.
-It wasn't a few milliseconds, he's been adapting his power to yours since the beginning of the match. You tipped him off to the fact that something was going on in that first exchange, and from there his powers had to be on overdrive 'cause you were just sitting there doing next to nothing while he was working and he had to use your energy signature to do it. That actually slowed down they process fyi. If we'd have gone at it from the very start he would have had it even sooner.

3. On the nerves/tendrils bit.
=P You're the one who started using that metaphor goofball, don't you remember? I was just speaking in your terms. If there aren't any pathways he's still creating false images by altering the perception of that area and then letting the Caida detect that.

4. On being born eyeless and all that stuff to develope all the biological stuff.
-Yeah, Cole didn't do that, and hasn't done it in this fight. He adapted it. The version that Cole uses is his own blend of how his mind interpreted your power. The effect is largely the same, but fundamentally different in the execution. Because Cole is a composite whole of all his experiences, he is able to use your empathic and Caida based powers combined with his own perceptions and psionics to create the phantom sensations and feed them to your Caida. He'd likely be able to do the same to the rest of your senses too.

So in conclusion... =3 Thanks, this particular combination is turning out to be a great deal more fun than any of the past abilities I've used.

Jans Viper


Jans Viper

PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:51 pm


Vahn Kyonuske
I really don't want to go all out so early.

I was saving the fun stuff for Yuuske...

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>_< Okay, sorry for the double post but wow man! I knew right from the beginning that there was a high likelihood of you learning to use Destruction but... xD You even got a rudimentary way of handling! I'm impressed, really truly impressed.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:08 am


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@Viper/Cole

So basically your saying Cole's ability works on the same level as prophecy? He knows what he couldn't possibly otherwise know just because he knows it? I mean, feeling like you're being watched won't let you figure out the name of a stranger who's watching you no matter how long you stood there thinking about it. You call it a fast learning ability and learning requires the intake of information, not just a gut feeling that something happening, so I can only assume you're saying Cole has clarivoyant insight into... everything? (Everything in terms of abilities used in his presence, that is) That's deep. And probably worth a few headaches. XD

The born sightless thing still seems to make sense based on what you're saying. Cole would "feel" through that clairivoyant sense's interpretation like he's being watched, and from that he would learn what seeing something means and is like, and then his brain would create a spiritual version of how others biologically see things, allowing him to do it without eyes or brain nerves for physically interpretting the sense. His version of how others see. An adaptation of sight, in your words. Same effect, dfferent execution. Then, once he understands what its like to see things, he could mentally/spiritually create a false perception in the eyes of anyone who looks at him.

How does that not work the same way? I don't really see the difference. I just thought you weren't doing that because invisibility wasn't allowed.

Oh, and about number 3: That's the main problem I'm having, really. The threads thing was to describe how the range of the sense works and how it it spreads across an area, but it doesn't apply to a return trip. Especially not with Legacy. The caida comes from his ghost essence rather than a soul, making it even more sensitive since its what his conciousness is tied to moreso than the physical brain. Instant interpretation without any signals being sent back. He accesses the feeling and the sensory interpretation of the body he's stuck in simultaneously. Hence the "false data would need to be beamed directly into his brain" statement. Altering perception of the area dun alter what the area is. Plus you'd be trying to directly affect his soul/being, which makes caida incredibly sensitive to being messed with or "tricked" and, again, even more so with Legacy who's more in touch with his spiritual energy than an ordinary living being.

The making a rip-off of caida using prophetic insight isn't too bad, if not extreme but extreme is to be expected I guess, but I haven't yet been convinced of Cole's ability to get false information into the interpretation set-up. Caida was there before his version was and with its sensitivity, well... empty energy doesn't do anything, so if you're feeding data then that is doing something or at the least is something on its own, meaning its not empty and could therefore most likely be detected in its attempts to fool him.

Also, just for the fun of saying it, if you're enjoying Legacy's stolen caida adaptation then Cole would probably love to fight Eldin Desura, the actual Channeler that Legacy's body is a copy of. Desura has access to all of the ritualistic biological traits of his brain, including caida's secondary ability(Ooooh. XP). If the brain functions available to Legacy are worth about 20% then Cole might need over half to handle the kind of info that goes on in Eldin Desura's brain. XD. A literal ritual ground of spiritual activity that thing is.

You know, if Cole innovated some sort of dance/movement ritual with some kind of deisgns to act as spiritual runes or mediums and a verbal chant of some nature he could very well recreate a lesser version of caida or other functions that go on in the Channeler's brain. In their brain is where contracting muscles, electricity and mechanical movement-originating noise patterns, and biological structures, recreate those three types of ritual mediums in order to create spiritual reactions through biological processes using their life force as the energy source being manipulated. Obviously rituals have strict requirements so only their brain set-up would be able to do these which is why these belong to the Channeler's and are biological traits rather than actual rituals, so Cole's innovated rituals would indeed have to be weaker no doubt and he'd have to keep them going to keep the effect in place but that's about as reasonably as I can figure him copying it which his prophecy-like power. Not doing it without some type of constant ritual would be pretty taxing if it was even at all possible(But hey, guess 20% for Cole is pretty taxing but you know his limits better than I do obviously. XD).

Actually, I was just kidding about him needing to do rituals. Its just funny to picture Cole chanting and dancing outside the cage while Legacy stares at him. XD

So in conclusion... you're welcome. But not all my worries are laid to rest yet, unfortunatly. Though I'm certainly enjoying this exchange of ideas very much indeed. I hope you are too.

Imperfect-Chaos


Jans Viper

PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:42 am


=/ So here I am, typing up my reply, and I happen to look at the thread again and your post doubles in size...

=P Asshat, you now have to wait a few hours to get you reply.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:44 am


lol. The doubled size is just me saying stuff for fun, really.

Imperfect-Chaos

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