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no! i am not judging in God's place! exhortation is not judging. look that word up and tell me if it is condemning someone. and honestly, in either of those definitions i saw nothing that came close to what i was talking about. by that definition, you are judging me quite severely. are you saying i am sinning? isn't that taking God's place by judging me in that way? oh no, now i'm judging you. the cycle continues.

and what? are you saying that every single prophet was wrong in doing what they did? are you denying that people can speak on authority from the Holy Spirit? Christians who exhort another are sinning?

"all efforts are in vain"? doesn't the Bible teach that through God all things are possible? obviously, it's nothing that we do that converts anyone, but God who uses us to speak to individuals.

by the way, Christ's teachings made people dislike our beliefs. in fact, so much so that they killed Him. i'm not about to preach a watered down "prosperity gospel" just so people will like our beliefs. i don't expect a world that couldn't accept a perfect man to accept me.

i never tried to say that homosexuality is a choice. if you knew me (not trying to say you do), you would know that i struggle with homosexual feelings, which i cannot control exactly. lusting after another individual is wrong whether they are of the same or opposite gender, so i pray God would help me in my weakness. i don't paticularly like guys, nor do i prefer them over girls (feminine figure is way better than the masculine), but somehow i manage to find myself in a trap.

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I have now bolded the part of your previous post were you state that you "are repeating a judgment" that has not yet been made... because that judgement can only be taken place at death, on Judgement Day, when God Himself tells the person they are going to hell or not.

yes, in Deuteronomy, but many people keep proclaiming how that law has been replaced by Christs law of Love, why has that Love not been extended to Homosexuals, then?

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Because my god is myself, and in my religion, each is his or her own God. Is that not how we function anyway? We each decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong. If you yourself, Burny, felt that the Abrahamic God's morality was flawed, would you follow him? It seems everyone has a different opinion on what exacly God's own morality is, and people most often shift it to mean what they feel is moral. Therefore, it seems that God himself, as far as we are aware, does not have an absolute morality.

Because God hates homosexuals, blacks, women, liberals, non-Christians, and some denominations of Christians (according to some).
But, God loves everyone, therefore, he does not hate anyone (according to some).

God does not approve of homosexuality, interracial marriage, gambling, swearing, sex out of wedlock, pornography, etc.
But, God approves of homosexuality should it be consentual and of one's innate nature, interracial marriage should it be between two of the same faith, gambling in moderation, sex out of wedlock should it have been unconsensual, cursing so long as YHWH's name is not stated, or interreligious relationships for we are all God's children.

God does not have an absolute morality that anyone is aware of, at least. He has not told anyone exactly what it is, and until then, he will continue to have two stances on absoultely everything.

In a nutshell, you cannot base absolute morality on a being who's morality is still unknown, and often disagreed upon. You love analogies as much as I do, Trogs. It would be like trying to guess the amount of grains of sand in the Sahara desert. Sure, there may be an absolute number to them, but it is not likely that any of us will ever know that precise count, down to the very last grain of sand. Until then, people will give many different estimates to how much sand is there. You won't be able to say that everyone ought to believe what you believe about how much sand is there, because you, like them, have only been able to guess.

Long winded analogy...

Because that Law has not been abolished. GOD Himself only wrote two things in the whole Bible with His own hand: The Ten Commandments and the judgement on Babylon when he wrote on the wall. Once to write the Law and once to Judge for disobeying the Law. Both in the Old Testament. Now, you're telling me that now you're going to throw GOD's own handwriting out the window? That just doesn't make any sense.


Anyways.... back on topic. Marriage is defined in Genesis as when "a man leave his mother and his father, and shall cleave unto his wife..." (Genesis 2: 23). One man, one woman. That is the Word spoken right out of GOD's mouth Himself, you can't get any higher authority than that.

But in this day and age it seems now there are two parts to marriage in America: the legal aspect where partners file taxes jointly and inheritance laws; and the (optional) religious aspect: the actual ceremony held in a Church and/or by a Priest, Pastor, or other religious leader.
As far as I'm concerned, a person or persons may choose to sin all they want, I can't change that. It can sadden me, and I may meekly and humbly give my own opinion, but I can't force them to not sin, it doesn't work that way. So I believe that if a gay couple decides that it's legal for them to marry and become legally joined, I can accept that with great sadness, but still accept it. However, no gay couple should ever, ever force a religious leader to perform the ceremony or insist it be held in any form of religious institute. No matter how much the "bride and groom" wants a traditional marriage and ceremony, it will never be and they shouldn't try to pretend so or force their beliefs on others.

I know it's many people, and there was a lot more I could have said. I just... checked myself. sweatdrop And now I also see a few repeated spelling errors that need to be fixed.

umm... So are you saying that I shouldn't even think of having a traditional marriage, if I was to marry another female even though I am a believer of God and feel it would be right for me to marry in a church with my church's Pastor peroforming the cerimony?
because I would find that rather offencive, I must say, if you were. Because:
I believe that if God truely loves me as one of his childern, then he will except me for me, no more and no less. I believe Jesus died for our sins, and I follow the Ten Commandments as best I can. I know some, not all, of the Bible, also called His Word. I walk with him to the best of ability, and yet you may be saying that I(and others like me) should be denied a cerimony in a church because we're marring someone of the same sex?
That would descrimintory, and completely unfair.
No, no one should be forced to perform it, but I don't agree with the right being taken away. I don't care which gender I eventually end up marrying, I would like the ability to marry in a church.