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iAkura-kun

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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 6:28 pm


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Unless its via puppets or the weapons are like... Senbon, Kunai, Shuriken ect and you find a way to power it, I don't really think so.
PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 7:01 pm


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Unless its via puppets or the weapons are like... Senbon, Kunai, Shuriken ect and you find a way to power it, I don't really think so.

Oh, of course it would be Senbon or Kunai. I wouldn't even bother if I planned on shooting anything else. The powering would be springs/launchers, or steam in the Dwemer constructs. Powering for the actual machines would be similar to a clockwork toy, except it would be self sustaining after a point.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:56 pm


Erm... A couple things about the new system. I can't find the chakra modifier available for the Raijuu (or any other demon for that matter) and what exactly does bonuses of the Elemental type refer to? I'm assuming it means the Elemental Control shinobi type, but by specifying "bonuses" was it meant that the negative modifiers of the type are ignored or did "bonuses" simply refer to the type as a whole, both negative and positive modifiers.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:04 pm


Go with +3/10 for now. The demon modifiers haven't actually been added to the threads yet, and I'm not sure what they will be in the end.

If , in your elemental question, you're referring to the Raijuu's elemental boost, it's just the elemental type. So yes, all bonuses and penalties. I can't recall if I wrote the type out on those pages or not, but if I did they will be edited to reflect the new type.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:49 am


Can we change Ability and Elemental Control to only affect other Abilities and Elements?

It makes no sense if you have a character who uses both types, and ends up with only severely weakened other stats and flat stats for the two things they decide they want to specialize in.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:30 am


The answer to that is simply don't take both types. They're not meant to be combined, and they WILL penalize each other. Both are designed for specialization, you can't take both and expect to automatically be great at two things.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:04 pm


It doesn't make a lot of sense, but okay. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:06 pm


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It doesn't make a lot of sense, but okay. sweatdrop

.....Yes it does. You're not supposed to be extra awesome at ninjutsu as an art, and just as well extra awesome at using bloodline abilities. Why? Because that would be broken and ridiculous. Not only that, but each of those two types is built as a specialization as HInote said, meaning of course background wise it would mean your rpc spent more time training in either one of those aspects. This is designed to keep people (apparently you were the first one to actually complain about this, ever in fact.) from taking both to make a ridiculous rpc from the get go. Given the fact that bloodlines and clans are already diverse, you shouldn't even need both of those types.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:52 pm


I'm saying it doesn't make much sense in the fact that it nerfs ALL other things. Any second element until you reach C rank would be dismissed by a stiff breeze since it isn't even strong enough to be categorized as a ninja technique because it is weaker than an academy student's technique. Even an S rank technique with using both types of neither chosen type would be able to be blocked by a B rank defensive jutsu. It is quite a bit of a weakness by taking both, and it doesn't allow for much of a bonus unless you magically only fight people on lakes, or in a forest fire, or in a power plant, or in a canyon, or in a wind tunnel, etc. etc. Personally I don't think you should get a +2 for being around that element.
The only ones that that even makes any sense for is Suiton and Doton, since they're the only ones that manipulate existing things with ease. Fire isn't going to want to separate from it's fuel, Lightning isn't going to bend because you push it with chakra, and Wind is harder to redirect than it is to create.


All I'm saying is that if your character has, let's say, Hyouton. Wouldn't it make a lot of sense for them to be pretty good at Suiton, since that is the basis of their entire bloodline? They have to be good at the beginning to be good at[or even reach] the end. Fuuton, not so much. The only reason fuuton is in there [I'm guessing] is because of the thought that they make ice by blowing cold air on it, while there is literally a technique an academy student can learn that can either freeze or boil water. But if they chose to have a greater control of Suiton, then their bloodline is instantly nerfed. Not beyond usefulness mind you, but it won't be overly effective. If they chose to be great at their bloodline, their basis would suffer, and by all rights their bloodline should as well. [Making an ice swan is difficult when you can only make a bubble.]

I know that this is going to be seen as me trying to argue, but I seriously think it is kinda nerfing for nerf's sake. It's like taking sprite and watering it down twice. If the Ability and the Element are connected on such a level that you can't have one without the other, then it is a pointless nerf.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:14 am


Go to school. Spend your entire life in school focused entirely on one subject. PE, Math, Language, what have you. And I do mean your entire life. Skip those other classes. If you have to attend them, spend your entire time there thinking about the other class you really liked.

Now, graduate. You're out of school, it's time to go looking for a job. The jobs requiring only your chosen subject are all taken, so you have to look for something else. Are you going to be good enough at it to get the job? No. You're really not. Because you wanted to be the best at that one subject, all your other subjects suffered.

Now, I'm not sure about some of your arguments.

"Any second element until you reach C rank would be dismissed by a stiff breeze since it isn't even strong enough to be categorized as a ninja technique because it is weaker than an academy student's technique."

Unless you have a combination bloodline, you don't GET a second element until C rank. And besides that, the penalty is only -1. It would take a -2 to drop a D rank below E. Assuming of course your calculations weren't made with using both types in mind, in which case, yes, that is true. You can't make an extremely focused character without losing out in other areas.

If a Hyouton user is automatically meant to be great at Suiton, then there would be a bonus to it in the bloodline. Something like that is not taken into account in any other area of the guild. And yes, if a Hyouton user chose to take Elemental Control Suiton, their Hyouton would suffer. They chose to focus on their control over water rather than ice.

The point you seem to be missing, is that intentional choice. By taking one of those types, you are saying "I want to be good at A, not B.". It is a focus. If you want to be good at both, you choose a different type.

The most confusing thing is your choice of bloodline for an example. Hyouton isn't covered by Ability type, as it's an elemental bloodline. If you wanted to boost your bloodline abilities, you'd need Elemental Control [Hyouton].

Now, this thread is for questions. Your question has been answered. If you want to continue this as a debate, please move it to the proper forum.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:54 pm


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I'm quoting you because I have a feeling this is something that's up your alley.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the RP is now taking place in the conception/closely after the conception of the ninja world. If this is the case, if I want my RPC to be the first to use and develop something, in my case the use of puppets, is that doable or do I have to RP as if there would have been others before me? I ask because, other than wanting to make Alise be the first puppet user, I wanted her to be the engineer of the launchers and so on. If that is the case, would I have to make the launchers as Personal Tech or Public tech? Anyone would be able to use it, they'd just have to go to her to be able to make it/purchase it and/or learn how to make it.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:03 pm


iAkura-kun
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I'm quoting you because I have a feeling this is something that's up your alley.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the RP is now taking place in the conception/closely after the conception of the ninja world. If this is the case, if I want my RPC to be the first to use and develop something, in my case the use of puppets, is that doable or do I have to RP as if there would have been others before me? I ask because, other than wanting to make Alise be the first puppet user, I wanted her to be the engineer of the launchers and so on. If that is the case, would I have to make the launchers as Personal Tech or Public tech? Anyone would be able to use it, they'd just have to go to her to be able to make it/purchase it and/or learn how to make it.


Hard to say honestly... If you go by the "Official" Naruto timeline, we're around the Clan War era. Shinobi clans and bloodlines have been around for a long time, but we're the first to try making an entire village and standardized training system.

I'm a bit inclined to say you could, but at the same time there's still the possibility of someone else coming along later and also wanting to use puppets, without knowing you'd claimed the "Title" of creator of the art. So I suppose I'd have to say no to that. You could certainly still have her design all her own puppet tech and say that's her own designs though. Be a good strategy for making a bit of coin if you think people will be interested in buying the stuff from you.

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iAkura-kun

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:14 pm


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iAkura-kun
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I'm quoting you because I have a feeling this is something that's up your alley.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the RP is now taking place in the conception/closely after the conception of the ninja world. If this is the case, if I want my RPC to be the first to use and develop something, in my case the use of puppets, is that doable or do I have to RP as if there would have been others before me? I ask because, other than wanting to make Alise be the first puppet user, I wanted her to be the engineer of the launchers and so on. If that is the case, would I have to make the launchers as Personal Tech or Public tech? Anyone would be able to use it, they'd just have to go to her to be able to make it/purchase it and/or learn how to make it.


Hard to say honestly... If you go by the "Official" Naruto timeline, we're around the Clan War era. Shinobi clans and bloodlines have been around for a long time, but we're the first to try making an entire village and standardized training system.

I'm a bit inclined to say you could, but at the same time there's still the possibility of someone else coming along later and also wanting to use puppets, without knowing you'd claimed the "Title" of creator of the art. So I suppose I'd have to say no to that. You could certainly still have her design all her own puppet tech and say that's her own designs though. Be a good strategy for making a bit of coin if you think people will be interested in buying the stuff from you.


Between the selling of the puppet designs and parts, and a little ninjutsu and sealing related con arts was that she was going to make a quick penny without having to do missions, but alas, to rank up I need to do missions. Thanks for answering my question by the way, a little sad that I can't be the creator of the art.

Edit: So that means that the launchers and such other things would be private tech, not public?

and on that note, do I have to post puppets for approval?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:50 am


iAkura-kun
Edit: So that means that the launchers and such other things would be private tech, not public?

and on that note, do I have to post puppets for approval?


Yeah, you can make them as personal tech. But be aware that as time goes on someone else could make something similar as guildwide or if your design is sold enough times someone could start replicating it.

Puppets are considered custom technology, so yeah. You'll need to design the entire thing and post it for approval. Or if you're feeling extra complicated, design part modules that can be combined to create a puppet. just make sure to check the limitations of the chakra string jutsu before you get too invested, to be sure you're not building a puppet you can't actually use.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:47 am


Hinote Tosatsu
iAkura-kun
Edit: So that means that the launchers and such other things would be private tech, not public?

and on that note, do I have to post puppets for approval?


Yeah, you can make them as personal tech. But be aware that as time goes on someone else could make something similar as guildwide or if your design is sold enough times someone could start replicating it.

Puppets are considered custom technology, so yeah. You'll need to design the entire thing and post it for approval. Or if you're feeling extra complicated, design part modules that can be combined to create a puppet. just make sure to check the limitations of the chakra string jutsu before you get too invested, to be sure you're not building a puppet you can't actually use.


But there's a tech limitation so how would that work out?
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