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Linik

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:45 pm


As requested from Garam in the OOC pages 2580 and 2581 I'm submitting a request to the judges to lock our fight thread and judge what little of the fight has come.

If he can't be civil with me or the rest of the tourney its better not to stir things up more than they already have been. If you wish for the fight to continue then I will make my post after your request to do so, though I'm sure there'll just be more disagreements and more complaining if such occurs.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:47 pm


What I ment to say was, while I understand the whole Exhbition ******** was OOC and what not, I do fear a ganking from said parties in my official fight due to my personal intrests ( ie:Gojira) and my characters belief in said intrest. The only reason I'm asking is that I feel that it would dristract from the fight itself and take away personal enjoyment of involvement in the GTB. That being said I do believe that said parties have the ablitity yo make mature rational decisions on the matter.

Edit: I'm leaving the matter at this and see how it develops.

Deathgra

Newbie Smoker


The Haelstrom Fist

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:49 pm


Tenkai Matsumoto
KAERIMINU!!!

/argument


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"Hmph."
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:01 pm


Michael Noire
1. it doesn't ignore the fact that Hoshiko is supposed to have super strength and the ability to strength her limbs, it compliments it. When hit properly, Noire takes damage and moves on, rather than being completely destroyed as Hoshiko expects. You guys are applying a double standard and then calling me a hypocrite.


Incorrect. You're simply TANKING right through the attacks. Maybe a slight noticing of "oh, they hit", and then it's never mentioned again. I don't even think you used the word "pain" once. Oh wait, you did, in your last post, in which you sorta noticed it and then made some flippant comment about ignoring it, which isn't going to win you points.

In fact, if I see any fighter resorting to that, I'm automatically going to dock them for being unsportsmanlike. Acro's gonna get it, I'm not entirely sure right now but I think Fier might have done it, and pretty much anyone else I see giving meta-bitching or meta-s**t-talking is going to not like the effect on the score.

Soaks? I read a whole hell of "work through the pain", "breathing hard from the pain", "strategy gone because of pain", etc, etc. There's actual reaction to the pain, and it's even used to reveal information about the character, too.

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2. Not immune to blunt attacks, simply resistant to them.


And this should have been explicitly stated on the profile.

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3. Inertial frame FX can be interpreted that way. That's how I interpreted them. Hoshiko interpreted my actions as godmoding and ignoring damage, but no one seemed to to notice that aspect. If I was a fencer and said 'riposte' some might have been more understanding.


Well, to be fair to her, I regard a SLAP THAT CAN ******** SHATTER AN I-BEAM to be godmodding, for the purposes of this tournament. I consider a knife!hand jab at close range that "would likely experience several shattered ribs damaged organs and severe internal bleeding" to be overpowered, too, and way breaking of my suspension of disbelief.

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4. my opponent has been bricking through my most powerful attacks as if they were "slaps". This implies normal attacks would be completely ignored. In fact there's evidence of this intention. double standard?


I'd like to see this evidence. Make your case, by all means. It's certainly possible that I have a bias, and the best way to ensure I don't is to see both sides of it.

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5. "I'll be sure to take note of all this when it comes to the judging phase." Why be ceremoniously judgmental when the decision against me was already in the cards? you don't seriously think any of you is going to rule in my favor do you? And people think i'm delusional.


I know I'm not going to if I'm one of the judges for your fight.

It's not because "OLOLOL, NOIRE WUT A f**, KEKEKE IMMA FAIL HIM NO MATTER WHAT CUZ THE COOL KIDS HAET HIM", but because the way I read it, Soaky's posts were more realistic, more logical, more informative, more enjoyable, more clear, and she seemed entirely willing to roll with the posts you gave her.

But, like I said: make your case. I assure you, I'll give it the same consideration I would give any other fighter in the tourney.

EDIT: Do it AFTER the fight. Not now. Please.

Rhoslyn Vernal


Rhoslyn Vernal

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:07 pm


Linik and Garam: Granted, as both fighters have agreed to it and neither of you are going to post within the next four (?) hours in the fight, judging by your OOC.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:08 pm


Michael Noire
Tenkai Matsumoto
I helped approve Noire's profile, and I didn't see anything referencing Hokuto Shinken. And believe me, if there's anyone who knows how wrong it is to bring that into a player character without properly framing it for roleplay, it's me.

Simply put, I don't care if your character is supposed to be like Kenshiro in that he's a master of fists. We have plenty of those in the tournament already. You can toss me every wikipedia article my way explaining how this and that does this and that, and in the cases where it sounds reasonable I can understand. That whole "shifting frame of reference" thing to me sounded more like taking hits a certain way to use it to your advantage.

But if you use it to brick through another person's attacks entirely and make yourself immune to blunt attacks, you're effectively trying to make it so that no one can beat you in a hand to hand fight unless they knew the same outlandish principles or had characters that used ki in a certain way. That just doesn't work.

It also ignores he fact that Hoshiko is supposed to have super strength in addition to her ability to strengthen her limbs. As such, being able to shrug it off with the same kind of visual effect/power Kenshiro uses that makes normal punches useless on him is just not gonna fly.

I'll be sure to take note of all this when it comes to the judging phase.


1. it doesn't ignore the fact that Hoshiko is supposed to have super strength and the ability to strength her limbs, it compliments it. When hit properly, Noire takes damage and moves on, rather than being completely destroyed as Hoshiko expects. You guys are applying a double standard and then calling me a hypocrite.

2. Not immune to blunt attacks, simply resistant to them.

3. Inertial frame FX can be interpreted that way. That's how I interpreted them. Hoshiko interpreted my actions as godmoding and ignoring damage, but no one seemed to to notice that aspect. If I was a fencer and said 'riposte' some might have been more understanding.

4. my opponent has been bricking through my most powerful attacks as if they were "slaps". This implies normal attacks would be completely ignored. In fact there's evidence of this intention. double standard?

5. "I'll be sure to take note of all this when it comes to the judging phase."
Why be ceremoniously judgmental when the decision against me was already in the cards? you don't seriously think any of you is going to rule in my favor do you? And people think i'm delusional.


1. I didn't call you anything. ._. I've already explained to Hoshiko that just because her attacks hit like a proverbial truck doesn't mean they'll completely destroy her opponent in one hit. And I fully understand how you can take a hit a certain way and keep moving from it, as I've done that before myself. But getting hit in the junk is often different, and again, this will all depend on how things play out in the judging phase.

2. Resistant is still a relative term. You can be resistant such so that a solid punch to the solar plexus isn't going to leave you on the floor and out of the fight, as any resistance power would give. But if the damage you're resisting is unreasonable then it falls into the same category of grappler characters I've seen resisting the effectiveness of a strike so that their grapple techniques are flawless.

3. Interpretations are one thing, but the overall effect is another. And if your overall effect is supposed to be like Kenshiro in the anime, then that's rather OP and I would have appreciated that being brought to mind during profile submission. I'm not saying you're godmodding, but if your damage resistance is unreasonable with regard to your opponent then that's going to be taken into consideration. If Kenshiro was a character in the GTB, believe me, it'd be the same as if Kenshiro was in MUGEN.

...which he is.

4. Can you stop with the double standard thing? >_> In the same way that you shouldnt take her attacks lightly, she shouldnt take your attacks lightly either. And neither of you should be arguing that your attacks would royally screw them over in a single hit. That's exactly how these arguments start. "Slap" sounds like she's referring to that impulse break ability you mentioned, which appears to be a "slap" in that it's reduced impact. But if she's not taking any damage from it at all, that's going to be a problem.

5. I can't say anything for Vin, Vansin, Rosa and Wulf, although I don't think they're going to let public opinion effect them in this regard (especially not Vintrict). But no matter how much all of the spectators are holding the cards against you, that means absolutely nothing to me. I make my own decisions based on what I see in the fights, and right now my job is to make sure you guys can keep fighting by settling arguments/disputes that keep people from just rolling with it and going on with things.

When it comes time to judge fights, I start clean at the beginning. Neither of you are going to be judged by your popularity, and believe you me, this fight is pretty much right up there on my list of need-to-grade along with James vs Cyrus.

Now...*goes off to make a ruling*


Pandumb


Lonely Scamp


Linik

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:09 pm


I CAN post if the judges wish it, though I'd rather not drag out the fight if Garam is going to carry on like this. In the end, the call is yours.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:15 pm


Oh yeah, and I also have to add this.

About the impulse break and the shattering. The whole thing about shattering metal? That's...not really right to say. ._.

Indeed metal can shatter, when it's brittle. Swords that are long, thin and have hard edges are typically brittle, though parts of them are made of softer metal that, although they are still strong, they arent diamond hard, and are malleable enough so that they absorb/transfer force.

To say that sort of attack would shatter her iron limbs would be confusing her ability with turning her arms to stone or diamond, which will shatter.

Rather, a hard enough impact against someone using iron skin abilities would cause it to dent like armor, doing damage. And an attack like the impulse break would, rather than shattering the limb, more than likely transfer the damage through the skin and act internally. The protective metal might dampen it a bit, but it'd still have some effectiveness.

It just wouldn't render the limb unusable in a single hit.


Pandumb


Lonely Scamp


The Vansin

Genius

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:16 pm


I would like to take this moment to add:

"Pander"

Not "Panda"

"Pander"
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:19 pm


>.>...Its up to linik..I posted she can do what she wish. Maybe I should'nt have been a d**k about it, but I dont take anything back. It can be lock and I would like said post looked at, my last two post before the one I posted today, and her last two. Cause I need to know how in the hell did she avoid that attack, better yet everything I did, I just dont get how she is moving around everything when Im very close to her....But meh...those last two or three post are what Im bitching about...but you guys wanna lock it, I dont care

Garam Nijashi Hikuro



Pandumb


Lonely Scamp

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:25 pm


The Vansin
I would like to take this moment to add:

"Pander"

Not "Panda"

"Pander"


Just what is that supposed to mean? :/
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:27 pm


Means I like to piss you off?

The Vansin

Genius



Pandumb


Lonely Scamp

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:30 pm


Means you need to get back to work.

*breaks a stick of bamboo over his head*
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:48 pm


im still wondering if I'm wearing spectra or spidersilk. Spectra provides more concussion resistance while spidersilk provides more piercing resistance. In my submission I asked the judges to decide which one was more permissible but I never got a response, so I went with spidersilk.

Michael Noire


Mr Shinjiko

Profitable Businessman

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:50 pm


Noire, considering they seemingly allowed both I'd have both handy before a match. Unless the judges come in and say otherwise.
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