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Fair enough, but not quite a trump to the entire argument. You still have to prove to me that grinding is for games and not food products and orthodontics.



Well...that's probably another reason I don't like MMORPGS: I don't give a toss about multiplayer. Yeah, I think fighting games are sometimes fun, and only when you have other people around playing it with you, but I really prefer single player games, mainly because when I play a video game, I'm looking to be immersed in the game play, to feel compelled at the characters, and most of all to be told/interact with an interesting and moving story. The problem I have in this department, is that to accommodate the shear mass of players, a cohesive story-line cannot really be created, because there are way too many variables involved. And unfortunately, extensive focus on multiplayer is often a tactic employed by game developers to try and mask a boring, uninspired single player story-line, and mediocre game-play (*cough* Halo series *cough*).

Fair Enough, but do realize that we grind in single-player RPGs, with as much gusto or more than we do in MMOs. I do have to admit, it's most satisfying, but I regret not being able to pit my characters against something or someone as strong as them. (I'm happy about the vs. mode in PSP Disgaea)



Halo wasn't using multiplayer to hide its mediocre single player game. It's an excellent multiplayer game that tacked on a single player mode so you don't get bored when there's no one else around. The focus was not on the story, but the gameplay. I get your point, though.

I myself am not an avid fan of MMOs, FPSs and other types of multiplayer games, but I disagree on the point on fighters. A fighting game is a deep commitment. It is a community foundation. Much like RTS games. There's so much content in a good fighting game that decades later you can still discover minor things that can change gameplay drastically. For example, Marvel vs. Capcom 2.

I've played SC4, Koiyuki, and I kinda liked it. I like the art style and visuals, as well. And Ivy. I like Ivy.

The fans of the series prefer SC2 over the rest, though. The fighting engine was solid, I'm told, and SC3 just doesn't compare. SC4 is the closest in quality to SC2, but not by a little.

Fair enough, but...hey wait a minute.

Depending on the RPG, I have found it to be true and false. With Turn-Based RPGs, oh yes...and I can't stand turn-based combat either. But with real time RPGs and even to a certain extent Strategy RPGs, I find it less so. Something about being able to pull off combos, switch fighting styles on the fly, and block-parry-block-block-thrust-etc. aleviates most of the grind I've found...or maybe it's just a more interactive and tolerable grind. The other thing that can keep me interested in grind is story, case-in-point, Fable. ******** awesome storyline, a very good combat system (mildly annoying though when bystanders keep getting it you're way), and a tolerable amount of grind made so by the excelent combat system. With other games like the Elder Scrolls series, I find myself absorbed for about three days, and then when the story becomes so disjointed and massive, and directionless, I can't work up any more interest, except to play it every couple of weeks for about 15-30 minutes.



I didn't say fighting games are bad, just boring after the first hour or so when there is no one else around to play with you.

You have quite a big point there, like you've read my mind. To be honest, though, I don't mind the grind in turn-based RPGs, only in RPGs with random battles, something I despise beyond anything else in RPGs.



I've seen players play on training mode for hours. I myself have spent many hours at a time fiddling around with a fighting game. Once you have an objective in mind, even when playing alone a fighting game is worth it. It's very different from when you're just looking to kill some time.

Sorry, haven't played it. I'm quite interested in it, though.

That's news to me.

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