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 Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:41 pm
DrasBrisingr Khalida Nyoka The FLCL Guy what is mass? what makes something physical? what makes it so that when to molecules hit eachother them bounce from one another? What are atoms made of? Whats in the space where no molecules are at? Mass: what we choose to measure matter by. Weight is actually the effect gravity has on a body of mass. Perception makes something physical. Energy exchange causes the atoms to bounce off of each other. The atoms are made of protons, neutrons and electrons but we don't know what makes those (I'd argue for everything being strings, personally ^_^, I like string theory). Where there is nothing "physical" we have no way of knowing, in order to observe it there would have to be matter there. I can't be sure, but I think those questions were rhetorical. To try to get a "oh, matter is energy!" response. But by definition, the space where no matter is...is a vacuum, right? But as for the whole "matter is energy" thing, I'm not saying matter and energy are synonymous. That clearly isn't true. But they are related. Ambrose, I'm assuming you know what a photon is. You would agree light is energy? But what is the definition of a photon? Wikipedia, my savior, says "the photon is the elementary particle responsible for electromagnetic phenomena...The photon has zero invariant mass and travels at the constant speed c, the speed of light in empty space. However, in the presence of matter, a photon can be slowed or even absorbed, transferring energy and momentum proportional to its frequency. Like all quanta, the photon has both wave and particle properties; it exhibits wave–particle duality." A photon is energy, but it is also a particle. It has invariant mass, but has the ablility to change the invariant mass of a system. If a system emits a photon, the system loses mass. Granted, not much mass (E/c^2), but mass nonetheless. So, what does that tell you? Technically, scientists now believe that the "space" we once thought as a void might be filled with small quantities of plasma, so little that it is, in fact, unseeable. It would also explain why radio waves constantly get fainter. If nothing existed in space, radiowaves could theoretically travel forever.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:56 pm
noblelyon DrasBrisingr Khalida Nyoka The FLCL Guy what is mass? what makes something physical? what makes it so that when to molecules hit eachother them bounce from one another? What are atoms made of? Whats in the space where no molecules are at? Mass: what we choose to measure matter by. Weight is actually the effect gravity has on a body of mass. Perception makes something physical. Energy exchange causes the atoms to bounce off of each other. The atoms are made of protons, neutrons and electrons but we don't know what makes those (I'd argue for everything being strings, personally ^_^, I like string theory). Where there is nothing "physical" we have no way of knowing, in order to observe it there would have to be matter there. I can't be sure, but I think those questions were rhetorical. To try to get a "oh, matter is energy!" response. But by definition, the space where no matter is...is a vacuum, right? But as for the whole "matter is energy" thing, I'm not saying matter and energy are synonymous. That clearly isn't true. But they are related. Ambrose, I'm assuming you know what a photon is. You would agree light is energy? But what is the definition of a photon? Wikipedia, my savior, says "the photon is the elementary particle responsible for electromagnetic phenomena...The photon has zero invariant mass and travels at the constant speed c, the speed of light in empty space. However, in the presence of matter, a photon can be slowed or even absorbed, transferring energy and momentum proportional to its frequency. Like all quanta, the photon has both wave and particle properties; it exhibits wave–particle duality." A photon is energy, but it is also a particle. It has invariant mass, but has the ablility to change the invariant mass of a system. If a system emits a photon, the system loses mass. Granted, not much mass (E/c^2), but mass nonetheless. So, what does that tell you? Technically, scientists now believe that the "space" we once thought as a void might be filled with small quantities of plasma, so little that it is, in fact, unseeable. It would also explain why radio waves constantly get fainter. If nothing existed in space, radiowaves could theoretically travel forever.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:23 pm
Joshua_Ritter noblelyon DrasBrisingr Khalida Nyoka The FLCL Guy what is mass? what makes something physical? what makes it so that when to molecules hit eachother them bounce from one another? What are atoms made of? Whats in the space where no molecules are at? Mass: what we choose to measure matter by. Weight is actually the effect gravity has on a body of mass. Perception makes something physical. Energy exchange causes the atoms to bounce off of each other. The atoms are made of protons, neutrons and electrons but we don't know what makes those (I'd argue for everything being strings, personally ^_^, I like string theory). Where there is nothing "physical" we have no way of knowing, in order to observe it there would have to be matter there. I can't be sure, but I think those questions were rhetorical. To try to get a "oh, matter is energy!" response. But by definition, the space where no matter is...is a vacuum, right? But as for the whole "matter is energy" thing, I'm not saying matter and energy are synonymous. That clearly isn't true. But they are related. Ambrose, I'm assuming you know what a photon is. You would agree light is energy? But what is the definition of a photon? Wikipedia, my savior, says "the photon is the elementary particle responsible for electromagnetic phenomena...The photon has zero invariant mass and travels at the constant speed c, the speed of light in empty space. However, in the presence of matter, a photon can be slowed or even absorbed, transferring energy and momentum proportional to its frequency. Like all quanta, the photon has both wave and particle properties; it exhibits wave–particle duality." A photon is energy, but it is also a particle. It has invariant mass, but has the ablility to change the invariant mass of a system. If a system emits a photon, the system loses mass. Granted, not much mass (E/c^2), but mass nonetheless. So, what does that tell you? Technically, scientists now believe that the "space" we once thought as a void might be filled with small quantities of plasma, so little that it is, in fact, unseeable. It would also explain why radio waves constantly get fainter. If nothing existed in space, radiowaves could theoretically travel forever. lol i think he knows that
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:25 pm
On a Slightly different note:
America tried selling electric power to China at one point, but the project had to be terminated. The idea was to transfer the energy from America, to outer space, and then down to China... with microwaves. This essentially created invisible death zones in the sky... and many birds were killed before the project was ended.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:38 pm
Joshua_Ritter noblelyon DrasBrisingr Khalida Nyoka The FLCL Guy what is mass? what makes something physical? what makes it so that when to molecules hit eachother them bounce from one another? What are atoms made of? Whats in the space where no molecules are at? Mass: what we choose to measure matter by. Weight is actually the effect gravity has on a body of mass. Perception makes something physical. Energy exchange causes the atoms to bounce off of each other. The atoms are made of protons, neutrons and electrons but we don't know what makes those (I'd argue for everything being strings, personally ^_^, I like string theory). Where there is nothing "physical" we have no way of knowing, in order to observe it there would have to be matter there. I can't be sure, but I think those questions were rhetorical. To try to get a "oh, matter is energy!" response. But by definition, the space where no matter is...is a vacuum, right? But as for the whole "matter is energy" thing, I'm not saying matter and energy are synonymous. That clearly isn't true. But they are related. Ambrose, I'm assuming you know what a photon is. You would agree light is energy? But what is the definition of a photon? Wikipedia, my savior, says "the photon is the elementary particle responsible for electromagnetic phenomena...The photon has zero invariant mass and travels at the constant speed c, the speed of light in empty space. However, in the presence of matter, a photon can be slowed or even absorbed, transferring energy and momentum proportional to its frequency. Like all quanta, the photon has both wave and particle properties; it exhibits wave–particle duality." A photon is energy, but it is also a particle. It has invariant mass, but has the ablility to change the invariant mass of a system. If a system emits a photon, the system loses mass. Granted, not much mass (E/c^2), but mass nonetheless. So, what does that tell you? Technically, scientists now believe that the "space" we once thought as a void might be filled with small quantities of plasma, so little that it is, in fact, unseeable. It would also explain why radio waves constantly get fainter. If nothing existed in space, radiowaves could theoretically travel forever. Yeah, don't you remember the simple square over distance theorem or whatever it's called? =/ If you have a wave distributing 900 J in a square-foot and it then travels 3 feet (expanding as it does) then it'll now cover a 3 square-foot area and therefore distribute 100 J (the original energy divided by the square of the distance is travelled) in each square-foot. This applies to electromagnetic waves, heat, and gravity. Also anything else I can't think of which effects everything around it as opposed to only things directly in front of it. When you're a mile away, gravity is nine times stronger than when you're 3 miles away. The unit was described as 1 mile (the original distance away). At this unit we assume the effect of gravity to be 1/1^2 (or just 1) at the unit's distance from the source (as you get closer than 1 mile you begin to divide by decimals, giving a gravity greater than 1, and therefore keeping the equation true). At 3 units (3 miles, when the unit is 1 mile) gravity is 1/3^2 (1/9). Here's a fun math problem for you 3nodding If you start 3 miles away and move to 6 miles away, how much has the gravity changed? You might think it's 9 times weaker since you moved 3 miles, but the unit in this case is 3 miles, so you only moved a single unit (a single occurance of three miles), putting you two units away. It's therefore 1/4 Since radio waves are a form of electromagnetic radiation they expand outward in all directions. Therefore they're constantly getting weaker as they travel at a rate equal to their original force divided by the square of the distance travelled 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:28 am
ambrose_sallia Blind Guardian the 2nd What's with all this censoring crap? neutral That was done for the sake of preventing anyone from understanding the symbol ^^;; You can't understand what you can't see. I've said this in past pages, but you may not wish to sift through 11 pages of nonsense, so I'll say it again for your convenience 3nodding There's no danger in the symbol itself. Just looking at it won't bring harm to you, and using it won't do anything. However if you understand it (and therefore possess all the knowledge that goes along with comprehending it) then that KNOWLEDGE is dangerous to possess. We removed the symbol so that no one could see it and realize what it meant. If you have any questions concerning the symbol, please ask me. I can answer all questions in such a way as to not speak of the specific powers of the symbol, protecting you from understanding it 3nodding You know too much. ELIMINATE. ELIMINATE. Quite honestly you might as well stop doing everything here. Hell, if you think that's dangerous, knowledge wise, take down the damn Goetia, and stop ALL thought as it will eventually lead to danger. I think it's wrong to stop someone having access to something because you think it will be dangerous.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:32 am
Khalida Nyoka On a Slightly different note: America tried selling electric power to China at one point, but the project had to be terminated. The idea was to transfer the energy from America, to outer space, and then down to China... with microwaves. This essentially created invisible death zones in the sky... and many birds were killed before the project was ended. It can be done, just not yet, and not with microwaves, it was Tesla's dream to do just that.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:37 am
Blind Guardian the 2nd ambrose_sallia Blind Guardian the 2nd What's with all this censoring crap? neutral That was done for the sake of preventing anyone from understanding the symbol ^^;; You can't understand what you can't see. I've said this in past pages, but you may not wish to sift through 11 pages of nonsense, so I'll say it again for your convenience 3nodding There's no danger in the symbol itself. Just looking at it won't bring harm to you, and using it won't do anything. However if you understand it (and therefore possess all the knowledge that goes along with comprehending it) then that KNOWLEDGE is dangerous to possess. We removed the symbol so that no one could see it and realize what it meant. If you have any questions concerning the symbol, please ask me. I can answer all questions in such a way as to not speak of the specific powers of the symbol, protecting you from understanding it 3nodding You know too much. ELIMINATE. ELIMINATE. Quite honestly you might as well stop doing everything here. Hell, if you think that's dangerous, knowledge wise, take down the damn Goetia, and stop ALL thought as it will eventually lead to danger. I think it's wrong to stop someone having access to something because you think it will be dangerous. I'd have to agree with Blind Guardian. Personally I may not FULLY understand the symbols, yet every time I look at them(I'm one of the ones that saved it to my HD) I continue to see different new symbols take shape from the original symbols, even drew one of them in photoshop(very badly I might add, I'm not artistic when it comes to those things lol, shaky hands >.> ). Yet I see no danger in research, we shouldn't limit knowledge because of a theory, and that's all it is...a theory.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:54 pm
I'm of the opinion that censorship of any kind is fundamentally wrong. Keeping information secret really pisses me off, mostly because I can't stand not knowing things (especially things I want to know).
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:17 pm
For those who just now have started to complain about censorship...where were you 6 pages ago? Seriously. If you read back in the thread a little bit, you'll find a very vague reason given as to why the symbol was removed. But, by the way, FLCL, I'm still waiting on the rest of that answer. And more information about this "blank energy".
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:22 pm
I'm not used to having people smarter than I am at physical equations pull the carpet out from under me and watching me fall. crying
okay. i'm over it. blaugh
Physics was my favorite subject since forever, I'd spend hours down in the library reading about Einstein's theory of Revetility and Deep Space and Physics by (icantremember hisname)
and you know what i think is so strange? Lasers don't follow the Expansion principle of reflection. neutral theoretically they should, but they don't
and the seal has sunk through my notebook to page four. the copies aren't discolored like the first one, but they look like they were pressed by a pencil.the common theory of mine being that the pen ink caused the paper to be brittle, i've never used that kind of pen before... but still... it's a bit creepy.
and yes. I AM A LOAFER. a proud person with nothing to do. I hate having too much to worry about. it's never good for you or anyone else.
and you know those commercials that go for like... half a second every once and a while? Do you think the network makes the company pay for that half-second of screen time?
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:38 pm
I almost debate whether or not I should just explain in concise detail the powers of the symbol confused If I were to lay out its exact workings then maybe more people could come to understand it. It's honestly in strong debate in my mind right now sweatdrop
On the one hand- it shut up a lot of complaining people.
On the other- I haven't gotten a good night's sleep ever since I first used the symbol and I doubt anyone else who learns of its power will.
Ever since I first used the symbol I've remembered every detail of my dreams. They haunt me in my waking moments and throughout the day I'm distracted and find myself unable to learn anything new as memories of my dream push out any information which wishes to enter my head. My grades have slipped entire letter grades in a couple of weeks, and in two cases they've fallen two letter grades. I've averaged 5 hours of sleep a night if you factor in the times when I wake up in the middle of the night. And on top of this- I'm constantly afraid of the symbol. I know its power and how to use it- yet using it always causes a backlash that I'm not prepared for. I used the symbol for the first time in quite a while to repair the network at Fazoli's (where I work) since it was broken and no monitors or receipt printers or cash registers or anything were working. After I activated the symbol it took a few minutes before everything started "amazingly" working again. Four days later our network killed itself. Dad got pissed and broke one of our routers along with ripping a cat5 cable when he pulled it out and tearing the jack. It took me 3 hours to fix it. We also lost internet while dad was in the middle of an online poker match- so we lost a few hundred dollars as a result of the transaction. You can understand why I don't like the idea of "experimenting" with this symbol.
I'll turn the idea over in my head, and you all can contemplate it as well. If I think you all are capable of reading and learning with no intention of applying what you learn, then I might post exactly how the symbol works so you can all try to fully understand it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:45 pm
This is going over in the quotes thread too:
"It is the mark of an intelligent mind to contemplate an idea without accepting it."
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:28 am
ambrose_sallia Ever since I first used the symbol I've remembered every detail of my dreams. Now I know for a fact I'll start intense study of it, beginning Monday probably. You have no f'ing clue how much I would give to be able to remember every single detail of all my dreams.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:12 am
Khalida Nyoka On a Slightly different note: America tried selling electric power to China at one point, but the project had to be terminated. The idea was to transfer the energy from America, to outer space, and then down to China... with microwaves. This essentially created invisible death zones in the sky... and many birds were killed before the project was ended. Belief is lacking in this theory. Do you know how much it'd cost to make a project like that and then suddenly have it scrapped? What's more, American companies would have made far more money by charging a hyped up price for power station designs. Also, where would the microwaves go to, and how is a microwave a form of electricity? The only way microwaves would be so useful in that situation is to heat water to move turbines. And if that's how they want power, they will just start a damn coal fire in a furnace.
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