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 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:15 pm
Apparently she should begin to understand Sasuke's character a bit more before claiming he hates anyone who he hasn't announced as his friend. (Even though he did, in fact, say Sakura was considered a friend to him)
And when does Sasuke show that much interest in anyone?
The only reason he showed an interest in naruto was because that's how powerful his feelings were toward him (Not to say his feelings toward Sakura aren't powerful, but feelings of hate are generally more powerful than feelings of love).
Sasuke isn't the only person Sakura focuses on, either (The beginning after the time jump comes to mind).
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:49 am
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned in this thread but here's a video that was titled "Anti-Sasusaku". I got curious and looked at it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg5A5jEu0AwAfter I saw this, I slapped my hand to my forehead and this is why I am angry: Quote: see if sasuke "loved her" he woulent have left Um people? Do you even watch the series!? Sasuke left for power and people would think "oooo sasuke doesnt give a crap about anyone but itachi blablabla-" WRONG Sasuke said it himself in the battle against Gaara. "I never want to see anybody important to me die again" (or something like that sorry if I got it wrong sweatdrop ) That means that Sakura (and Naruto) are important to him and he doesn't want to lose them. Sasuke just doesn't have time for love right now. I would do the same thing if my once close brother suddenly killed off my entire clan just for power. So, my summary is: People, THINK OF ALL THE THINGS SASUKE HAS BEEN THROUGH. I DO NOT think that Sasuke has time for love. But that DOESN'T MEAN he thinks Sakura is a complete waste of his time. Quote: OOOOoooo can you feel the love -_- Yes, I have to agree in the beginning of the series Sakura was a little annoying and fangirlish towards Sasuke. But do you see all the things Sakura has done for Sasuke to help him and save him? She just says all this stuff because she cares for Sasuke. My summary on this is: STOP WATCHING THE BEGINNING EPISODES PEOPLE. MOVE ON. Quote: again he shows he hates her ...-_-.... Tell me, when has Sasuke said DIRECTLY to Sakura or ever thought.... "I hate you" or "My God, I hate you so much"?! Can't think of the answer? Um, because HE NEVER HAS. Sasuke doesn't hate Sakura. For example, haven't people ever had an annoying person but has cared for him or her? Everyone probably has. So my summary on this: Sasuke DOESN'T hate Sakura. People are totally overexxagerating on this. Quote: you would think if he liked her he would whant to sleep next to her but hes sitting a far away as he can Wtf does that have to do with anything? Sasuke is sitting away from everyone as you can plainly see in that clip. I didn't know if you liked someone you'd want to sit next to him or her. You don't have to. I like to sleep alone and so do a lot of other people. My summary on this: ...I'm sorry but this is too desperate of an attempt to get anti-sasusaku proof that I don't even want to waste the time of protesting. Quote: and how many times can she say sasuke-kun! GAWD IT'S JUST AS BAD AS NARUTO Once again, a lot of these clips are from the first episodes. I say my crush's name a lot because I like him. Sakura is just excited that she got to be on the same team with her crush. In the later episodes, she says Sasuke-kun a lot because she cares for him. My summary on this: People, have you ever heard the expression "Actions speak louder than words?" Well, Sakura doesn't only say Sasuke-kun, she's done many things for Sasuke. SHE JUST CARES. God, if Sasusaku bashers think Sakura is annoying for her want of Sasuke's love, um, have you people listened to yourself and your sad attempts for anti sasusaku proof?
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:20 pm
D< I hate things like this. So I shall put in my two cents:Quote: see if sasuke "loved her"he woulent have lefted Quote: OOOOoooo can you feel the love -_- *clip* again he say's anoying Quote: again he shows he hates her
Also, when he says 'You're annoying' at that part, I see it more as him showing that he really does remember their first day as teammates. Quote: you would think if he liked her he would whant to sleep next to her but he's sitting a far away as he can Quote: and how many times can she say sasuke-kun! GAWD IT'S JUST AS BAD AS NARUTO Quote: she said sasuke-kun 30 times in not even 12 eps! it's really annoying!
One thing that bothers me about this is, the video maker is a fan of SasuIno, right? And Ino was no better about her fangirling over Sasuke, right? So why is it so bad for Sakura to act fangirly, while it's perfectly fine for Ino to the same? The only difference is that Ino gets less screen time, and therefore has less time to display fangirly antics.
I will never understand this type of logic...
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:34 pm
rachaella22 D< I hate things like this. So I shall put in my two cents:Quote: see if sasuke "loved her"he woulent have lefted Quote: OOOOoooo can you feel the love -_- *clip* again he say's anoying Quote: again he shows he hates her
Also, when he says 'You're annoying' at that part, I see it more as him showing that he really does remember their first day as teammates. Quote: you would think if he liked her he would whant to sleep next to her but he's sitting a far away as he can Quote: and how many times can she say sasuke-kun! GAWD IT'S JUST AS BAD AS NARUTO Quote: she said sasuke-kun 30 times in not even 12 eps! it's really annoying!
One thing that bothers me about this is, the video maker is a fan of SasuIno, right? And Ino was no better about her fangirling over Sasuke, right? So why is it so bad for Sakura to act fangirly, while it's perfectly fine for Ino to the same? The only difference is that Ino gets less screen time, and therefore has less time to display fangirly antics.
I will never understand this type of logic... exactly! the person is probably just jealous because sasuke and sakura have had WAY more moments that sasuke and ino. in fact, there really hasn't been any moments between ino and sasuke.
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:02 pm
SasuNaru Debater whom shall remain anonymous Sasuke and Naruto have a relationship based on an emotional level... they depend on each other and can relate to one another. Sasuke and Sakura is just a one-sided type of relationship. Sakura likes Sasuke but he doesn't like her back, he thinks of her as a friend or comrade. He also called her "annoying" since she couldn't even understand how he feels (regarding parents and such from the anime/manga). So I don't know how a one-sided relationship will work out.... when the two people don't even return each other's feelings. Discuss.
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:29 pm
Sasuke and Sakura have the emotional relationship. Naruto and Sasuke have a violent, insult filled relationship and they only manage to compliment-- everything about them is revolving around this rivalry/brotherhood that neither one understands and ultimately ends up hurting them both.
*just went brain dead*
I'll post more later when I'm not sick. gonk
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:50 pm
While we know what Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are, it has never been confirmed what his feelings for her are. If I remember correctly, in the section of the databokk that talked about Sasuke's relationships with his teammates, the spot for Sakura had a question mark. Kishimoto could have easily put 'Friend/Comrade', but instead he chose not to clarify. This leads me to think there may be more to Sasuke's feelings toward her than we are shown.
And, while Sakura might not be able to relate to Sasuke's pain, she can still comfort him and help him cope. As someone else in the guild said, Sakura is the most emotionally intune person of Team 7. Naruto, on the other hand, is not so great at dealing with emotions. While he may make friends quickly and help change people's views a lot, he doesn't usually deal with people on an emotional level.
A very good example of this is the 'Sasuke Retrieval' arc. Before Sasuke leaves, Sakura tries talking to him, using his and her own emotions to convince him to stay. She says things about happiness, and friendship, and love.
However, when Naruto went after Sasuke, he resorted to violence. He tried to defeat Sasuke so he could drag him back home against his will.
I'd say more, but I neglected to watch the Sasuke vs. Naruto scenes (way too emotional for me. T.T), and so I don't want to say anything that may be false.
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:18 pm
SasuNaru Debater whom shall remain anonymous He also called her "annoying" since she couldn't even understand how he feels (regarding parents and such from the anime/manga). Did he not say the same thing to Naruto? Hmmm... I pretty much have the same feelings as Rachaella.
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:58 pm
SasuNaru Debater whom shall remain anonymous Sasuke and Naruto have a relationship based on an emotional level... they depend on each other and can relate to one another. Sasuke and Sakura is just a one-sided type of relationship. Sakura likes Sasuke but he doesn't like her back, he thinks of her as a friend or comrade. He also called her "annoying" since she couldn't even understand how he feels (regarding parents and such from the anime/manga). So I don't know how a one-sided relationship will work out.... when the two people don't even return each other's feelings.
Both boys cared for Sakura very much, and vice-versa. They were all bonded with something quite deep, because Sasuke and Naruto were both broken and Sakura, in all her innocence about the world, somehow shone her light on them. Though Sakura couldn't relate to their feeling of being alone, she was trying as their relationships progressed.
All three had a bond on an emotional level, and all of them leant on one another - physically, mentally, emotionally. Sakura is NOT excluded from the trio, and she certainly has all these bonds with Sasuke, with or without Naruto.
Secondly, Sakura was a friend and comrade to Sasuke, yes, but let's not forget that question mark in the first databook. I'm certain that it wasn't just because Sasuke does not know how to classify her.
The "annoying" comment can be interpreted as anything, but here's one plausible interpretation: Sasuke said she was annoying in Chapter 181 because she was breaking down his resolve. He may have insulted her ability to understand his and Naruto's situations in Chapter 3, but during the time he was leaving, he meant something else. Because she WAS already beginning to understand.
It is entirely unknown if Sasuke can return Sakura's feelings. He hasn't rejected her outright. He could've easily said "I don't love you" when she confessed her feelings, but he left her with an ambiguous "thank you." That, I think, sparks some hope in their future relationship.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:25 am
Kono omoi wa mune ni shimatte okou...
I’ll keep this love in my heart… SasuNaru Debater whom shall remain anonymous Sasuke and Naruto have a relationship based on an emotional level... they depend on each other and can relate to one another. Sasuke and Sakura is just a one-sided type of relationship. Sakura likes Sasuke but he doesn't like her back, he thinks of her as a friend or comrade. He also called her "annoying" since she couldn't even understand how he feels (regarding parents and such from the anime/manga). So I don't know how a one-sided relationship will work out.... when the two people don't even return each other's feelings.
Sasuke and Naruto? Emotional level? Depending on eachother?
I happen to be a big SasuNaru fan, but I fail to see how it's completely emotional. I agree with what's been said: I think it's a tad bit more physical.
Whoever said it was completely one-sided, now? [SasuSaku] Whether Sasuke romantically loved Sakura or not, he still would've left. Although I personally don't think his feelings towards her were romantic, he trusted and cared for her and that's what matters. neutral And just because he stated to her that she was annoying doesn't mean he doesn't like her; a mistake Anti-SasuSaku'ers make frequently.
I don't even comprehend the "return each other's feelings" part; so I won't counter it.
Adding a bit to the discussion (although I wouldn't want the previous topics mentioned to be forgotten), here's one I've seen frequently lately that's really been bothering me.Quote: Sasuke was just a stepping stone for Sakura's development! Now she can love Naruto and they'll be happy! ...”Nakushita shimatta...”
…”I’ve lost you…”
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:23 am
Quote: Sasuke was just a stepping stone for Sakura's development! Now she can love Naruto and they'll be happy! Ok, this is a little true but also very false. Yes, it is true that Sasuke was a major part when it comes to Sakura's development. She learned to get stronger, braver, and wiser in order to protect him and Naruto. But, Sasuke's not "just a stepping stone." That makes me think of Sasuke just being an elevator or staircase only used once, compared to other staircases and elevators being used a lot more. Once again, Sasuke was a major part in Sakura's development. And he still is. Naruto and Sakura's goal is to bring him back (and to become Hokage for Naruto, but that's a different story) Sakura's reason for even going to Tsuande for 2 1/2 years and getting some pain-in-the-a** training was because she wanted to help Naruto so they could bring Sasuke back together.
The second sentence, however, is kind of mean. Think about it. It's not gonna go like this:
Sakura: Hmm... well, Sasuke was just a crush, first love... but I should think about what I have now! Naruto is all I have right now... so instead of Sasuke, I'll love Naruto! Who cares about all that hard training I did with Tsunade. Sasuke's never coming back, so what's the point of trying anymore? Also, if I love Naruto instead, Ino and ! can be friends again! Yay! Naruto!
Naruto: Yes, Sakura-chan?
Sakura: I love you!
Naruto: Yay! I love you too! Now we can be happy!!!
(confetti bursts, dance music)
No.
Sasuke is a very important part in their lives. A teammate, yes, but most importantly, a dear friend. They're not just going to give up and love each other, leaving Sasuke out of the picture forever. It all connects.
Naruto + Sakura + hard work/training = bringing Sasuke back hopefully
Sasuke + Naruto + Sakura = Team 7; Friends back together again
Naruto + Sakura = ?
Sasuke + Sakura = ?
If Sasuke is brought back, nobody, except Kishimoto, would know what serious relationships would start. Narusaku, Sasusaku, or Naruhina are probably the most expected the couples that could happen if he were brought back (no offense to other couple fans.)
Sorry if towards the end of this, I kind of drifted off topic. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:50 am
Quote: Sasuke was just a stepping stone for Sakura's development! Now she can love Naruto and they'll be happy! Excuse me while I lol it up over in my little corner now :'D Ahaha, no. Are you saying all this training, development and heartache was just so she could get with Naruto without Sasuke being involved at all? The Sasuke that she still longs to see? The very same Sasuke who she protects to such a point that she would punch a teammate across a bridge for badmouthing him? That Sasuke? Because, that's ridiculous XD And I'd honestly laugh at anyone who said that and dared to call themselves a Sakura fan. Because, if so, all she's worked for for almost three years now has been in total vain. It would be true to say that Sasuke has been a huge part of Sakura's development. He was the one that encouraged her to change so dramatically. He is the one who she is still fighting for, to hopefully save his life. Both Naruto and Sakura know that the first thing on Sasuke's mind is revenge. They don't like the way he's chosen to achieve this, but yet they support him in it. Sakura even offered to help him with his Fratricide as long as she could be near him. Do you understand that? She would kill for him. Sasuke and Sakura have been through so, so much together. Team Seven forever. Sakura has told Naruto off for asking for dates when he should be training. Notice how whenever he brings up a date, she gets angry? And the only time when she actually half-accepts a date, it's mostly because she's hungry and he's paying? She shows no real affection to Naruto at the time. No 'blushing' as I have seen it before noted as. We have no idea what couples are going to happen yet, though, if Naruto and Sakura think of getting together before they bring Sasuke back, my respect for the both of them will severly drop. But, I trust them and I trust Kishimoto. The first thing on Sakura's mind is Sasuke's retrieval. Not to have mad sexz with Naruto.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:00 pm
Quote: Sasuke was just a stepping stone for Sakura's development! Now she can love Naruto and they'll be happy!
Dx
Okay, while I agree that Sasuke played a major role in Sakura's development, that wasn't all he was to her or the story. Sakura was madly in love with him; that's why she developed, and those feelings aren't just going to disappear.
So, basically what this person is saying is that, because Sakura got the development she needed, she's just going to move on and fall in love with Naruto?
Uhhh, no. That would destroy the entire reason for her development and both of their training; to bring back Sasuke. If they decided he didn't matter and skipped off into the sunset together, than what would be the point of everything they've done? Nothing.
Sasuke is still a very important role in both their lives, and he's still helping both of them develop and become stronger. He's more than just a stepping a stone; he's their goal and whole purpose for fighting right now. Once he's brought home they can focus on other things, like love and relationships, but until then, he's their main focus.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:31 pm
Quote: Sasuke was just a stepping stone for Sakura's development! Now she can love Naruto and they'll be happy!
Well, excuuuuuuse me.
Sasuke wasn't JUST the stepping stone. He wasn't something that Sakura could easily forget in emotional terms - just as a stepping stone might be forgotten. Their bond is deeper than that. Sasuke, directly and indirectly, helped Sakura get to the state that she is in currently. She developed with his help.
But now that she's developed, has she forgotten Sasuke? No, she has not. Despite everything, she's still trying desperately to chase after Sasuke, and no matter what happens, she won't ever give up on getting him back.
She won't love Naruto just because she's done growing. Her emotional attachment with Sasuke prevents her from doing just that. Sasuke isn't someone she can just pass over just because Naruto's there now.
While it's possible that she may be able to love Naruto, she will have to reach some kind of closure with Sasuke first. She won't be able to forget her first love, Sasuke being her stepping stone or not.
(Of course, I'm still tightly bound to the almost-canonness of SasuSaku. CHA.)
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:49 pm
Kono omoi wa mune ni shimatte okou...
I’ll keep this love in my heart…
Thanks, guys. I finally have that off my back.. sweatdrop
But I've seen a lot of self-confidence lately from the Anti-SasuSaku'ers. "[insert other "canon" couple here], because SasuSaku and NaruHina fans are just shitting themselves" (or something along the line). KLDFJGOSDIFG I dislike the Interwebz sometimes. =X
And Tenshi, this is a response from a NaruSaku'er from the NaruHina defense thread to you. (Fear run-on sentences! smile )
Quote: Sasuke left town and I dont see him coming home and poping out a few kids any time soon. SasuSaku? I dont see it. Not anymore. Hinata may have admired Naruto, but she never did anything. She never offered him support or friendship when he was alone and sad and more than anything needed a friend. Sakura has done a total 180 on how she feels about Naruto. She has changed how she feels and offers him attention and admiration and fully appreciates everything he has done for her. I can use what ever argument I want. ...”Nakushita shimatta...”
…”I’ve lost you…”
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