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 Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:51 pm
Thank you for you contribution DG. I am doing my research and will make a decision by tomorrow morning. For now, I am volunteering to help fight the fires in Texas.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:04 am
Shane. After much consideration, research looking through your profile and pending customs regarding Lucien, I am denying your summons talent request. I have a number of reasons for doing so, and apologize that as of now I don't have the ability to type them all out but I will give you one of the largest. I consider Feral Nightmare a combat talent, and given the abilities you intend for Lucien and his first summon have this is another combat talent. Every character regardless of BL rank or skill is only permitted one comat talent.
Now, in regards to you saying that making customs should be fun, I agree. No one is entitled to anything, however, and I reserve the right to request additional infoation from anyone who is submitting a talent of considerable power
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:44 am
Passive and genetic bonuses are non-combative talents.
It also got approved as a non-combative talent by someone of higher rank than you, so you can't change that decision, especially when I know for 100% sure that Isis would consider it non-combative as well.
Please give me a different reason than having two "combative" talents, because the first is not combative by the guild's definition. A combative talent is the ability to do something that other's can't -- and for me, that ability is to summon, unlike other nightmares.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:02 am
Feral Nightmare allows you to use true form. Something that is unique to a full blooded Nightmare. You are giving yourself access to that powerful ability, definitely making it a combat talent. As far as biology and genetics goes Shane, I suggest you not press the issue. That is Pandora's Box, and you won't like what you find.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:34 am
I'm pretty sure it lists having two bloodlines as a non-combative talent...
Night Terror is just a bloodline skill, meaning, yes, it IS something others can do, and it's not a combative talent.
Instead of trying to change my other talents that were already looked at and approved legitimately, can you just think about this one?
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:25 pm
YoDaeTatsuya Rpc Name: Katherine (I'm putting her up tonight) Rpc Rank: Student (This talent doesn't apply itself until she's a trainee) Combative Talent or Non Combative: Non Combative Talent Name: Adjusting Description: Because Katherine has lost one eye, and her eyesight is halved, her senses of hearing, smell, and taste have risen above normal. This helps to keep her alert, since she is limited to only seeing out of her left eye. Skills: None Rp Sample: If you'd like, then I shall provide. No need for a sample YoDae. Your talent is approved.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:45 pm
Neko Rules for Talents: - I will allow one overall combat talent (Fill out the form and any skills that will go along with it), and one non-combat talent (Things like getting two elements instead of one will be considered non combat as well as any strength/speed boosts and any sort of learning advantages.) I reserve the right to change this if it doesn't work out. Shane, these are the rules for talents. They are the two cardinal rules for submitting talents. You may reference them on page 1 on this thread. Bloodline talents and skills are not included in non-combat talents. If you are not satisfied by this, then here are a few more of my reasons. 1. You cannot have the strengths of a Nightmare including a full blooded Nightmare's ultimate ability without accepting the inherent weakness that comes with that bloodline. Disregarding it is OP, especially seeing that Lucien is a hybrid that already has the benefits of two. 2. You have made Lucien a Berserker, gave him the full benefits of his father's Nightmare BL, given him Kiranu abilities on top of that, made his custom berserker powers extremely powerful, made EVERYTHING about him very powerful without giving him any considerable weaknesses (which you have admitted to), and if this Combat Talnet were to be approved, you would also use your skills to fuse Lucien's body with his summon to make him way, way more powerful. I am also positive that you've considered the fact that he would be able to merge with his summon in his berserker form. OP. 3. No. I will not just look at the talent put before me. To insure that the approval of a talent is fair to all players AND balanced, this requires me to investigate all aspects of a character. I will not revoke your prior Combat Talent. It has been approved, as you said, and I have no right to change that. However, I will look into anything I see fit to investigate to make sure that I am making an unbias decision that is fully informed. 4. If you want to argue that science or genetics allows him to have a summon, I will point out to you that you know very little about biology, how meticulous and complicated hereditary traits are, how difficult it is for creatures not of the same species to mate, how erroneous it is to even assume that a being from a race crafted for the purpose of serving darker powers has genitalia. None of this is relevant to your talent and I know that, but you continue to use this as your primary argument. This is a realm of speculation, where no line is drawn and fact equals fiction. Either of us attempting to argue this point is moot. This is not a personal attack on you Shane, or your character. I am sorry if this upsets you, and I am sure you intend to fight my decision because you seem very set on this talent. I am simply doing my job as it is supposed to be done. Please do not waste your time or mine. For the above mentioned reasons and the restated fact that you already have a Combative Talent approved for Lucien, (As Feral Nightmare contains combat skills which DO correlate to a Combat Talent), your Combat Talent Natural Birthright is denied.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:55 pm
Ferregar, there should be no issue here really. Allowing a summon could be non-combat oriented as it falls under something like "two elements" and his primary talent could be combat oriented.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:59 pm
DGwar Ferregar, there should be no issue here really. Allowing a summon could be non-combat oriented as it falls under something like "two elements" and his primary talent could be combat oriented. It is entirely different from having two elements, and has been denied for reasons well beyond the one you mentioned. I have made my decision after looking at all the resources, and Jackie backs it. Please do not start an argument in this thread.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:44 pm
The funniest part of all of it is that 1. you assume that the chimera form is powerful at all, when it's really just him having random traits like a deformed arm or a longer tail. The chimera form would generally be LESS powerful than the summon being OUT, so obviously that was never the issue. Aside from that, his berserk form is definitely not OP, so I really don't like you accusing it of being as such.
Yes, Lucien has limited weaknesses, but he has limited strengths as well. He's definitely not the strongest, nor will he be.
Also, Raphael is different than other Nightmares. You should research him before you say stuff such as "him not bearing a genitalia". His Nightmare bloodline, and its form, are all sealed into his blade. He still has certain Nightmare aspects (such as the stats and the fact that he does not age) due to... well, his background, for lack of a better word, but his body is human (for the most part) and looks human.
The reason, though, that Lauren didn't get the Nightmare at all and yet Lucien got a large portion of it, is because Raphael was in his Nightmare form during the actions that created Lucien. At that time, he is pure Nightmare, since he fuses with his sword, but it's still his body, and he'd stil have a peen. >_>
Also, as much as genetics and whatever else matters in the real world, in fantasy guilds, anything can produce with anything, really.
Anyway, after getting those explanations (about Raph, and Lucien's creation) out, I would just like to tell you that I'm too stressed out right now to argue over something like this. Whatever, it's denied. I'm actually kinda glad "Feral Nightmare" is considered Combative, 'cause I wanted another non-combative, anyway.
Also, for future ref.,
"things like having two elements instead of one are considered non-combat". It's an --example--. It doesn't say, anywhere, "these are the only things non-combat talents can be." If you really want to be that a**l about the wording I can ask Neko to change it to "suit you", but you should already be able to tell what she means. -_-
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:59 pm
You are welcome to resubmit the profile at a higher rank. I understand everything you've said, and I do apologize for not reading the entirety of your back story when reading through everything. That being said, please do not underplay Lucien. He is not the strongest, agreed, but he is definitely much stronger than most other starting characters and I hope that you can at least acknowledge that, by giving yourself a Nightmare's greatest strengths (given circumstances of his conception), that Lucien should not be able to summon. Why not gibe him a companion creature instead? Not something he actually conjures forth, but a real creature? Something terrifying, like a hybrid all its own? I see no problem with him having a "summon" in that regard.
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:14 am
That's what I was planning in the first place, really
I know I could abuse the fact that it says "summon" to simply make something that isn't conjured yet can fight, but I didn't want anyone to yell at me for playing with words. Either way, though, I'm going to be altering the talent a bit.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:57 pm
Rpc Name: Dimitri
Rpc Rank: Student
Combative Talent or Non Combative: Non Combative
Talent Name: True form
Description: Dimitri is always in his Were-Bear form because he sees human as weak. Being in the form all the time makes him weak to gold too. Tho not to the extent of silver. Meaning wearing gold will make him sick but its not as fatal to him as silver.
Skills: (If any) N/a
Rp Sample: If needed
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:18 am
This is still very much a work in progress, but I'm looking to see if I have some ghost of a chance with this being approved before I continue to work on it sweatdrop
Rpc Name: Duke Harbinger
Rpc Rank: Student
Combative Talent or Non Combative: Combative I guess, but it's taking up both slots.
Talent Name: I am Legion.
Description: Through excessive training throughout his childhood, Duke has developed amazing abilities as a Summoner, primarily being able to go above and beyond the normal limits of a Summoner. So much that he can develop various spells for summoning his collection.
Command Spells
Command spells are a unique set of spells that allow Duke to temporarily summon one or more of his summons for a single post. They can only preform a single type of action, dictated by each spell. command spells do not count up to the two summon limit, and cost a portion of the summoning cost of the thing in question. He's limited to two different command Spells in a single post, and can not use the same command spell for 2 posts. Command spells are tagged with [Command:] at the start of their names.
Incantation Summoning
While preforming a summoning ritual, Duke can recite an incantation to drop the energy cost of the summon, but he delays the summoning process. Incantations cut the cost in half, but delay summoning by 1 post +1 for each higher rank starting at D.
Portal Summoning
Normally Duke can only summon something if appears somewhere within 10 feet of his person. With the use of portals, he can extend that range by 5 feet for an equivalent of an E rank skill. This can increased by 5 feet for every higher rank ending with 40 feet with an SSS rank cost. Portals can be used for command spells, but multiple portals must be opened if the command spell calls forth multiple summons.
Note that because of these spells and abilities, Duke can not learn anything besides them.
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