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 Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:05 am
i assume you're talking about the vermiform appendix? and not the ones in the sinus as those clearly have function?
While it's true that the necessity of the vermiform appendix is debatable, it's quite obvious that it does have a function, just not one that is necessary for survival as people have them removed if they become inflamed / infected. It does, however, perform several funcitons including aiding in digestion, and as part of the immune system as a lymphatic organ. It even has a function in the endocrine system during fetal development (around the 11th week.) There's even a theory that they were used at one point to help humans digest raw meat, and since we don't do that anymore, they just sit there.
I don't recall mentioning intelligent design, and clearly, even if you follow the theory of evolution to the extent that it is the origin of life as we know it, It clearly has it's own set of rules and guidelines that could be considered 'making' something to function in a particular way. If you want to go after ID, start another topic.
I'll state the only point i had: Meat is good for you, so says every nutritionalist i work with, and i work with a LOT of them.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:34 am
La Veuve Zin ..Le Chat du Noir.. rofl Popular myth: Humans were made to be vegetarian. Truth: Humans were made to eat A LITTLE BIT of meat. Um, what exactly do you mean by "made?" If you're referring to nutritional requirements, that's not true. There's nothing humans need that can't be found in plants and eggs. You mean meat? Egg is poultry.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:25 am
She had already said that, if you're to go without supplements, you need the odd egg in there as well. But not meat.
I thought eggs were considered dairy?
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:30 am
I.Am She had already said that, if you're to go without supplements, you need the odd egg in there as well. But not meat. I thought eggs were considered dairy? Nope, poultry. Anythign dairy is anythign that has milk in it. silly and for children, yes, i know. But its the basics of the basics. http://www.healthyweightkids.org/_borders/Food_pyramid_2.jpg eggs are in the meat groupe. Heres a better one using the new guid. http://www.fast-weight-loss-diet-info.com/food-guide.htm
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:05 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle You mean meat? Egg is poultry. I.Am I thought eggs were considered dairy? What the hell, you guys?! Eggs are eggs! Not chickens or cows! Ovulating =/= aborting a fetus, right?
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:12 pm
MiNdCaNdY i assume you're talking about the vermiform appendix? and not the ones in the sinus as those clearly have function? You're cool. I mentioned "intelligent design" because you implied that humans must have canines because they're supposed to eat meat. Which doesn't follow, because there are lots of evolved characteristics that don't make sense.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:18 pm
even in the theory of evolution, that which does not have a function must be eliminated. Humans have been around for at least, by human or ID accound, 7,000 years, so if something was wasted, by now, it should have eliminated itself.
As a universal principle, if humans were not to consume meat, then there would be no need for canines, and they would have evolved into something more beneficial. Funny enough, one of the possible funcitons of the very apendix you mentioned could have been to help us digest raw meat, and protect us from the infections that could easily result from it. Even from an ID standpoint, canines would have to have a function, or have asthetic value of some kind. Either way, they exist for a reason.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:29 pm
not neccesarily. huamns have managed to screw up evolution, as well.
becuase of society, sciences and medecines, we are now allowing people to live and reproduce who normally wouldn't in a true naturally selective environment. as a result, we are becoming biologically weaker as the genes that should have been knocked out are continuing, spreading and flourishing in our backwards-evolutionary pattern.
basically, for natural selection to work on humans, only the strong can survive. the way it is now, both the strong AND the weak survive, and only the exceptionally weak die off. not that it's a bad thing, of course.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:38 pm
meh, if you belive evolution. Also, using that defence for Canine teeth and an apendix is a bit of a stretch...
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:47 pm
evolution isn't really as complex as it sounds... it's really quite simple, at the basic level. it's just... the passing of traits from one generation to the next. that's all it is, really. like eye color. say the ladies are only attracted to guys with blue eyes starting now. no guy with brown, green or hazel eyes will get married, have sex or have a child (not really, of course, just using it as an example)- as a result, what will the next generation's eye color likely be? there is a chance for other colors due to recessive genes, yes, but most will have blue eyes. after a few more generations, there will be so few different coloration genes left that all people will have blue eyes.
that is evolution.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:33 pm
That is a -hugely- over simplified statement of evolution. It does not account for entire organs like the appendix.
What I'm trying to say is, the color of your eye is a small thing, really, when compared to everything else. It doesn't affect how well your eye works, it's merely aesthetic. Organs, on the other hand, are far more complex. For them to evolve, and for them to then be passed down to future generations, by the mating of an appendix-ed-human and a non-appendix-ed-human? Very complex.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:43 pm
case in point, evolution can explain some things, but not EVERYTHING.
we're off topic...
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:48 pm
La Veuve Zin Pyrotechnic Oracle You mean meat? Egg is poultry. I.Am I thought eggs were considered dairy? What the hell, you guys?! Eggs are eggs! Not chickens or cows! Ovulating =/= aborting a fetus, right? Eggs are eggs, chiken is chiken, beef is beef. All are clasified as meat.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:48 pm
I.Am That is a -hugely- over simplified statement of evolution. It does not account for entire organs like the appendix. What I'm trying to say is, the color of your eye is a small thing, really, when compared to everything else. It doesn't affect how well your eye works, it's merely aesthetic. Organs, on the other hand, are far more complex. For them to evolve, and for them to then be passed down to future generations, by the mating of an appendix-ed-human and a non-appendix-ed-human? Very complex. well yes, but genes act with and against eachother- there are many genes for eye color alone, let alone each and every organ and organ system. i was explaining it in a way that gets the idea across with a basic example.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:49 pm
La Veuve Zin MiNdCaNdY i assume you're talking about the vermiform appendix? and not the ones in the sinus as those clearly have function? You're cool. I mentioned "intelligent design" because you implied that humans must have canines because they're supposed to eat meat. Which doesn't follow, because there are lots of evolved characteristics that don't make sense. I agree wiht this. Ever seen a camal's teeth? I don't beleive in darwinian evolution. But i do beleiv ien evolution wihtin a speacies.
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