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Aight, little miss pain-in-the-a** here, doesn't understand teh quality of debate in proper thread. If anyone, and I mean anyone wants to debate something about me or my beliefs, you can either get teh guts to make your views public, or you can shut up. Because as of Now, my PMs are locked to all but those on my friendslist, and you can thank her or her boyfriend for this.
1) okay, by all defenitions, you are ignorant, so I will forgive this for teh moment. But just so you know, this is judging me, and I never judged you. I have my beliefs. Some of those beliefs go along the lines that constantly shoving my beliefs down others throats will not make quick friends, much less helping anyone see teh reason behind my beliefs.

For an example, you threw multiple Ad-Hominum attacks my way, claiming that since I didn't act like you, I'm obviously either (a) a bad Christian or (b) not Chrstian at all. Amazing. My Bad, I misread that text "Hate thy Neighbour", I thought it said something about "Love". Forgive Me.

2) Just because I support the idea that two people who love each other have every right as I do to spend their life in Happiness with each other, does not mean that I am encouraging it. honestly, it doesn't really affect me. if two Men are in teh Apartment next to me doing anything from contentedly smiling and holding hands, to engaging themseleves in sexual acts of near heroic feat, it really doesn't affect me any more than it would if it were a heterosexual couple. Really, it doesn't. Do they realise that many Christians who choose to straddle a particular Moral High Horse are offended that they choose to engage in a pleasurable activity that is frowned upon by said Activity? Probably, most Homosexuals get that information shoved down there throat on a daily basis, much like you did today. Do your Beliefs affect them? Absolutely. People like you are very annoying.

3) My Journal very clearly explained the probability and legality of banning Gay Marriage. It is a violation of Human Rights, and teh Seperation of Church and State. Unless there is a viable explanation outside of religion as to why Gay Marriage should be disallowed, then by all means, ban it. But there isn't. So don't.

4) You will defend teh name of Christ by harassing anyone and everyone you can find that disagrees with you? *Claps* Typical Ignorant Pride. You feel so sure that you have all teh Truths, and everything that is right. Paul himself, who knew Christ and wrote Gospel, didn't have a fraction of teh Pride you do. Learn from him.

5) You claim I am falsely Advertising? You are advertising that Christianity is nothing more than Control and Hate. You have issues with someone who is different from you, believes differently than you, than they are obviously a bad Christian. Because you're perfect.

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Try this. You just may be imperfect! yup, just as screwed up as the rest of us. Just as ignorant, as well. You were born knowing -Nothing-, and you had time to learn. So stop assuming, and learn. Provide sources, provide verse, and wait for feedback. Don't assume for one moment that you are right. If you have this great and undeniably awesome truth, provide it, show what we missed, but the moment you pull AdHominums, you make enemies, not students.

This going to be a long one, So I may break it down into two or three posts.

Frist I would like to say that I am all for gay marriage. Secondly I would like to point out that I am christian. And last but most certianly not least, I would like to point out that I am bi.
Find me a verse in the Bible that states that I am condemned to hell for my sin even if I love and follow God to the best of my ability. I bet you'll have problems with that one.


We were given free will from God himself. You can't take that away from us. And what about "Do not pervert justice; do not show partialitly to the poor or favoraitism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly"- Leviticus 19:15. And what about "Love thy neighbor as thyself"? How would you feel if someone denied you the right to marry? Say the majority of people are homosexual, and the minority heterosexuals fighting for heterosexual marriage. People are constantly letting it known that they don't believe heterosexual marriage should be allowed because it goes against what they believe to be "moral" or right. What would you think then?
Must I remind you that everyone sins?



We didn't give people the free will to sin, God did, but Laws are made to protect people from harm, not from ignorance. They're are Nude beaches you know, those are public to anyone who goes there. And in my area, one of our public pools as a date each month were people can go skini dipping. Again, public to anyone who attends such things.


ok 1. thats BS, someone who is educated on risks and such of a**l sex would probably use protection i.e a condom and some lube to prevent the condom from breaking. Might I add that heterosexaul couple's can also participate in a**l sex. I have a female friend that has recived a**l sex from her ex boyfriend. So don't feed people that crap.
and 2. Whats it matter to you? if you believe strongly enough that being homosexual is wrong, then their getting married isn't going to affect you, why? because to you it's not right. But because it's not right to you doesn't mean it's not right to us. God loves all his childern uncondionally which is why he gave his only son to die for our sins. So all may have the chance to accend into heaven as long as they have God in their lives at the time of death.

You know, I have a slight feeling I could get along with you. At first I had thought that I hadn't explained clearly enough, but if someone else gets it...hmm.

Glad to have ye around ^_^

people can have different opinions, yes. however, one's opinion does not define the thing they have the opinion about. if i saw a Jackson Pollock painting and said it was horrible and Pollock a madman, that's my opinion. now i won't go into art discussion and theory, but Pollock was quite artistic no matter what his paintings looked like because he was expressing himself in a new way (FYI, i'm half clueless about art XD). so the point is that no matter what one's opinion might be about a certain thing, it is going to be either right or wrong because that thing does have a correct property that some are going to agree with and others disagree with. i mean, if i said that water had fifty parts carbon and twelve parts oxygen and no hydrogen and believed steadfastly in that in the face of all scientific evidence, i would be wrong no matter how zealously or strongly i felt about my highly erroneous opinion. now there are things that are simply a matter of taste, but one can't pick and choose one's morals like they were at a buffet, and morals are not served only to certain people. Romans 2:12-16 asserts this. a scenario of cannibals does not work, i think. it could be very well that they are simply considerably decieved by the Devil into putting aside their guilt and thinking cannibalism to be just fine or service to a deity of sorts. also, the part that you are talking about "judge and be judged" is a mistranslation of Romans 2:3, and the context can hardly apply to any moral Christian. it is talking of hypocrites who look only upon the faults of others and pay no attention to their own. "But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing wrath up for yourself on the day of judgement." (Romans 2:5). so the only way relativism can work is if you take God and the Bible out of the picture completely.

of course. because the Ten Commandements doesn't mean anything.
and telling someone something is wrong =/= judging.
i mean, good gravy. that's like having the knowledge to perform CPR, and yet letting one's friend die of asphyxiation because one wants to wait for the paramedics.

isn't that the opposite of the Great Commission?

of course it sounds familiar. it's called sarcasm. i used a common cry of relativists to denounce relativism.

Burnination. You say that there is an absolute right and wrong. That morality is not relative. So I ask you: Who decides what is right, and what is wrong?

Oo, Oo! I know! *raises hand* no where. Why? cause heres the Ten Commandments:
1. You shall have no other gods before me
2. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honour your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
6. You shall not muder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not convet your neighbor's house; you shall not convet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.


Yup. I'll help on this one too.
From Webster's Dictionary:
Judge- 1. Hear and decide cases in a law court.
2. determine the winner. 3. appraise or criticize. 4. think; suppose

from dictionary.com:
1. To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.

2. a) Law. To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case.
b) Obsolete. To pass sentence on; condemn.
c) To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
3. To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
4. Informal. To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
5. Bible. To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.

theres also: "One who makes estimates as to worth, quality, or fitness: a good judge of used cars; a poor judge of character." also taken from dictionary.com... just to make sure I got them all.

I didnt have time to read through all the past posts, but heres what I believe;

God accepts all people into his heart. Love is stronger than any bond. Its better for a gay couple that loves one another to be married than a male and female who commit adultry and sins with different people to be married.God loves all of his creations, and he should accept to love them too. Whether its right or wrong.

You don't have to believe in billions to except that others don't live the same way you do. You may see someone wearing a dress that covers their whole body, and wears a scarf like thing around their head, while someone else wears a mini skirt, low cut shirt which shows off cleveage, and hooker boots or something of the like. Both are different life styles, with at least those two moral differentces because of how they grew up or what they believe. You would still except that they are two different life styles... homosexuality is much the same way. So I don't see why people are so uptight about it and can't except they love eachother and want to be bound together by marriage. Marriage isn't just a dream of heterosexuals, it's a dream homosexuals too, and to deny them rights to marriage would be taking away the free will God gave them to begin with. Your not going to be judged on their lifesyle, so why bother caring? it's pointless, really. That would be like denying someone the right to lie, which is also a sin, or the right to think what they want, and say what they want.
Yes Christian's believe in one truth, and that truth is God, but others believe in other things, like having multigods or nature... and some may just simlpy chose not to follow a religion. Those people have rights too. Just because they live a different life style than you shouldn't make a person judge whether or not they should have something. That goes against the Bible... more impertantly, one of the Ten Commandments.
If, at death, God appears and knocks his mighty hand upon peoples heads saying "You've abandoned me" or "What were you thinking!" or something of that sort and denies them a place in heaven because their sin, then He will have passed His judgement. THEN everyone will know that he does exist, but it'll be too late. Much like Christains if we ever meet another sort of god or gods. Everyone can follow a faith, but to know from experience what happens after death would unfortuanatly mean death.
Don't pass judgement on people's lives in Gods place. God knows more about those people than you do, He is the only one who can make an accurate judgement.