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 Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:03 pm
Slifer Ozura Sutiiven Akemi Mercuraki Now I got the Forgotten Realms Guide book which means I can make Drow. heart ...and since I have martial power I am not without Drow Feats. heart heart My characters I have made, making, or will make.. 1. Gar Stellarhammer NG Dwarf Warlock(Star Pact) 2. Enma Shinigami Gar's childhood friend and a Half-Elf Beastmaster with a Wolf Companion. 3. ??? Stellarhammer Gar's Cousin and betrayer to the Family. A chaotic Evil Dwarf Warlock(Infernal Pact) 4. A Drow of some gender and Class. I dunno what Ryu's view is on Evil or Chaotic Evil Characters, being it's his first time DMing. Any of them is probably okay otherwise. How much do evil characters tend to complicate things? Anywhere from not at all to "The game just died because the Chaotic Evil Wizard just nuked the Orphanage we were supposed to get the quest from for no god damned reason." Of course, there is always the issue of the Good Characters playing in character and thus having a fair bit of in party fighting, but that can be coped with depending on how it's handled. Evil can co-operate with Good, even if it's for selfish reasons. That said, new DM's are usually don't allow Evil characters for the reason mentioned earlier. ("The game just died because the Chaotic Evil Wizard just nuked the Orphanage we were supposed to get the quest from for no god damned reason.")
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:28 pm
My character wouldn't stop to help if he saw a burning orphanage, unless he absolutely had to. As a follower of the Raven Queen, and partly because he's apathetic to other's struggles.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:30 pm
Slifer Ozura My character wouldn't stop to help if he saw a burning orphanage, unless he absolutely had to. As a follower of the Raven Queen, and partly because he's apathetic to other's struggles. That's not particularly evil, just kinda douchy. But then again, you're looking out for number one without choosing sides, which is the basis of being Unaligned. smile
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:33 pm
Sutiiven Slifer Ozura My character wouldn't stop to help if he saw a burning orphanage, unless he absolutely had to. As a follower of the Raven Queen, and partly because he's apathetic to other's struggles. That's not particularly evil, just kinda douchy. But then again, you're looking out for number one without choosing sides, which is the basis of being Unaligned. smile Meh.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:38 pm
The general problem with mixing good and evil characters in a campaign is "why".
Why would all of the members of the party be wanting to finish this quest? Good characters might want to right some great wrong, unaligned (or any, really) would be motivated by power, fame, and wealth, but an evil character might not be so tempted to help a Lord slay an usurper to the throne if he has his own plans to overthrow the nobility.
Why are they all working together? Perhaps an evil character can stomach helping people from time to time in order to reap the rewards of questing, and it is safer to travel with a group that is too goody-two-shoes to stab you in your tent for your share of the loot, but the good characters in the party might not have the same comfort in knowing that there's a murderous villain standing at the back of their lineup.
Then there's the crazed good characters... The fanatics and zealots who would rather leave the evil character bloody on a curb than take him along on an adventure.
In general, I'd imagine when playing an evil character that you either need an intelligence score high enough to know how to hide your nefarious schemes, a wisdom score high enough to know when it's a good idea and when it isn't to kill everything that looks at you funny, or both so damn low that the party just points you in a direction.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:41 pm
themightyjello The general problem with mixing good and evil characters in a campaign is "why". Why would all of the members of the party be wanting to finish this quest? Good characters might want to right some great wrong, unaligned (or any, really) would be motivated by power, fame, and wealth, but an evil character might not be so tempted to help a Lord slay an usurper to the throne if he has his own plans to overthrow the nobility. Why are they all working together? Perhaps an evil character can stomach helping people from time to time in order to reap the rewards of questing, and it is safer to travel with a group that is too goody-two-shoes to stab you in your tent for your share of the loot, but the good characters in the party might not have the same comfort in knowing that there's a murderous villain standing at the back of their lineup. Then there's the crazed good characters... The fanatics and zealots who would rather leave the evil character bloody on a curb than take him along on an adventure. In general, I'd imagine when playing an evil character that you either need an intelligence score high enough to know how to hide your nefarious schemes, a wisdom score high enough to know when it's a good idea and when it isn't to kill everything that looks at you funny, or both so damn low that the party just points you in a direction. Agreed. I've played with some really well played Evil Characters and some really poorly played ones. Generally the well played ones were Lawful or Neutral Evil (just Evil to you 4e people) and their Int/Wis scores were fairly high. The Chaotic Evil ones with an Int or Wis of like... 7 - they tended to cause the most problems.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:44 pm
Slifer Ozura Sutiiven Akemi Mercuraki Now I got the Forgotten Realms Guide book which means I can make Drow. heart ...and since I have martial power I am not without Drow Feats. heart heart My characters I have made, making, or will make.. 1. Gar Stellarhammer NG Dwarf Warlock(Star Pact) 2. Enma Shinigami Gar's childhood friend and a Half-Elf Beastmaster with a Wolf Companion. 3. ??? Stellarhammer Gar's Cousin and betrayer to the Family. A chaotic Evil Dwarf Warlock(Infernal Pact) 4. A Drow of some gender and Class. I dunno what Ryu's view is on Evil or Chaotic Evil Characters, being it's his first time DMing. Any of them is probably okay otherwise. How much do evil characters tend to complicate things? MY drow was supposed to break the stereotype and be good, but it doesn't matter since the Forgotten Realm's Guide Drow Section doesn't list them or anything as a race. sad I practically downloaded of nothing then I modified my Drow history idea into my Half-elves and then it wasn't so useless anymore. My Dwarf has his history added on to. I even edited that post where I put it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:50 pm
Akemi Mercuraki MY drow was supposed to break the stereotype and be good, but it doesn't matter since the Forgotten Realm's Guide Drow Section doesn't list them or anything as a race. sad I practically downloaded of nothing then I modified my Drow history idea into my Half-elves and then it wasn't so useless anymore. My Dwarf has his history added on to. I even edited that post where I put it. Sorry, but I'm afraid Drizzt Do'Urden ruined any chance of you "breaking the stereotype" by turning the good drow INTO a stereotype. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:55 pm
Sutiiven Akemi Mercuraki MY drow was supposed to break the stereotype and be good, but it doesn't matter since the Forgotten Realm's Guide Drow Section doesn't list them or anything as a race. sad I practically downloaded of nothing then I modified my Drow history idea into my Half-elves and then it wasn't so useless anymore. My Dwarf has his history added on to. I even edited that post where I put it. Sorry, but I'm afraid Drizzt Do'Urden ruined any chance of you "breaking the stereotype" by turning the good drow INTO a stereotype. sweatdrop How can both good and evil drow be the stereotype? With Lolth in Existence it will probably always be evil.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:57 pm
*Goes spiderman on the thread*
My Ryugi sense is tingling.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:59 pm
No need for character bios at the moment, and since I'm attending Anime Expo, I don't have alot of time during the day to really add it into the first post. Also, Slifer, just letting you know... Quote: Devas are refined and polite. They follow the highest moral standards, but they are not afraid of violence. They believe that the pursuit of good is an eternal war with the forces of evil, embodied in rakshasas, demons, devils, and the evil gods and their servant angels. Devas wage that war in their hearts as well, constantly vigilant lest evil take root and corrupt their souls, transforming them into the creatures they most despise. Because they Unaligned is acceptable, but very unlike them for the most part.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:00 pm
*Goes to make preparations/alterations to his costume*
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:00 pm
Akemi Mercuraki How can both good and evil drow be the stereotype? No one ever said that evil drow were a stereotype. Evil drow is the standard, good drow players is the stereotype.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:01 pm
Well I am heading off temporarily to read the new Naruto Chapter.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:08 pm
themightyjello Akemi Mercuraki How can both good and evil drow be the stereotype? No one ever said that evil drow were a stereotype. Evil drow is the standard, good drow players is the stereotype. No, by being standard they are the stereotype. As the number of NPCs will always overwhelm the PCs.
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