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 Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:36 pm
@ hinote
But exactly how much area would I have to freeze to get the bonus? Because with one jutsu I can make a glacier, so would that possibly be usable? { You are the one that said a Glacier would work, and Glaciers range in size. Although I really doubt that a glacier would be enough to get a bonus on Hyouton jutsu. But that could just be me not liking the idea of I have to be around literal solid bricks of ice to get the bonus, because that doesn't exactly seem right. }
@ Anyone
Would Water work for me? { Referencing how Haku created the Demonic Crystal Ice Mirrors } I am kind of half and half on how that would work. confused
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:44 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo I know, but literaly An extreme example of Ice I would say would be a snow capped mountain top. I honestly don't think anything less than that, an avalanche, or a blizzard could be considered an extreme example of Ice/ Snow.
...trust me, that's good enough. You will at some point be able to create you own Hail storms, so have patience.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:52 pm
The idea of being "Near" your element, as I see it, is to be completely surrounded by it. That's why wind would be stronger in a windstorm, or fire in a volcano or forest fire. You can draw power for your jutsu STRAIGHT FROM YOUR SURROUNDINGS. The best thing I can really come up with for ice would be a blizzard on a frozen lake. In that situation, you can grab ice out from anywhere. You're not going to get the bonus just by adding a little bit of ice to the area. An extreme example of ice requires two main things.
A lot of ICE.
Extremely COLD.
You're not going to make a glacier in a volcano and claim your ice bonus. I don't care how immune your ice is to melting, one bit of ice in the middle of a volcano won't cool things down nearly enough to use your bonus.
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The ONLY element that we should need to be having this discussion on really, is earth. Everything else is fairly obvious when you're in an area that can claim the bonus.
Hell, if someone took medical as their elemental type bonus, even that is simple to tell where it would power up. In the hospital.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:53 pm
Acutally most I'll ever be able to do without wasting an obseen amount of chakra is Freeze water around me, and that is at Jounin rank. { I get to auto freeze water then, if I remember correctly. }
How would a Hail storm constitute as an extreme source of Ice? I mean up in the sky maybe, but I wouldn't have direct access to it while I'm standing on the ground. confused
Also, I still don't get why A Glacier would be an extreme source of ice. I mean, it literaly is, but how am I supposed to get the Ice mirrors out of it without someone standing ontop of the ice? { And as far as I know, you can't stand on Ice without the Zero grip jutsu. }
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:54 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo But exactly how much area would I have to freeze to get the bonus? Because with one jutsu I can make a glacier, so would that possibly be usable? { You are the one that said a Glacier would work, and Glaciers range in size. Although I really doubt that a glacier would be enough to get a bonus on Hyouton jutsu. But that could just be me not liking the idea of I have to be around literal solid bricks of ice to get the bonus, because that doesn't exactly seem right.]
Doton - Mountain
Katon - Forest Fire/Volcano
Fuuton - Wind Storm
Raiton - Lightning Storm
Suiton - Ocean
...notice a theme of HUGE things? The same applies to Hyouton. Either an equally huge Glacier/Ice capped mountain, or a Hail Storm.Golden Spider of Kumo Would Water work for me? { Referencing how Haku created the Demonic Crystal Ice Mirrors } I am kind of half and half on how that would work. confused
...Haku created the Demonic Ice Mirrors by using his bloodline to create the ice Mirrors in the air.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:00 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo How would a Hail storm constitute as an extreme source of Ice? I mean up in the sky maybe, but I wouldn't have direct access to it while I'm standing on the ground. confused
...I mean seriously, do we have to explain gravity? The Hail falls. As the Hail falls over a large area, you suddenly find yourself SURROUNDED by Water, Ice, and Wind. This is a prime example of when you would gain the +2 benefit.Golden Spider of Kumo Also, I still don't get why A Glacier would be an extreme source of ice. I mean, it literaly is, but how am I supposed to get the Ice mirrors out of it without someone standing ontop of the ice? { And as far as I know, you can't stand on Ice without the Zero grip jutsu. }
...it's Ninja Magic dude. Don't ask HOW it powers up your attack, just know that it does. The idea is that being SURROUNDED by your element gives you much more to use and therefore powers you up due to the playing field and your character's chakra signature interacting with and being amplified by the abundance of your element.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:00 pm
So, I need to be on a frozen lake, in a blizzard... x.x Time to start asking if I can go to Kirigakure to practice { Once I've learned all of the Academy to Genin Fuuton jutsu }, or up to the top of the Yonbi's volcano. ^.^
Also, Size of Glacer would be nice to know. Would a ten by ten by ten foot block of ice work?
And I don't see why other people aren't asking for specifics so if they get accused of power playing or god modding, that they can't just pull up a conversation and prove that they had the clear by a crew member such as yourself, or Cobra.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:03 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo Also, Size of Glacer would be nice to know. Would a ten by ten by ten foot block of ice work?
...read my second to last response. It needs to be a LARGE area. What constitutes as LARGE has been clearly defined by both Hinote and Myself SEVERAL times.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:08 pm
Yeah, but If I were to fight someone on the ice, I would have a horribly unfair advantage, seeing as only myself, and a Yuki ninja could use the jutsu. confused
Yeah, but I'd have to wait a fairly long amount of time before I would be able to get enough ice within my range. I'm just guesstimating that the range would be about fifty feet, because that seems like a pretty large range. { I am a very literal person, so I normally do try to go by alomst all laws of logic unless someone tells me to just leave that logic alone. }
confused I honestly don't think it is stupid, I'm going off how many times would I have to use Glacier creation to change the battlefield into my favor, or how many times would I have to freeze something. confused
Look at the ground when Haku uses Demonic Crystal Ice mirrors, He makes them out ofthe water on the ground. confused They floated in the air { Not entirely sure how, probably Ninja magic } But they were made from the water on the ground.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:10 pm
Cobra_X The idea is that being SURROUNDED by your element gives you much more to use and therefore powers you up due to the playing field and your character's chakra signature interacting with and being amplified by the abundance of your element. This, Kumo. This single sentence perfectly summarizes all of what we've been telling you. If you need more than that, I question your ability to comprehend and retain information.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:17 pm
Cobra_X Golden Spider of Kumo Also, Size of Glacer would be nice to know. Would a ten by ten by ten foot block of ice work?
...read my second to last response. It needs to be a LARGE area. What constitutes as LARGE has been clearly defined by both Hinote and Myself SEVERAL times.I Posted this, or atleast started before I read your responce. sweatdrop Sorry, I'm kind of a slow typer. Also, I would actually define your examples as Omnipotent. If you were fighting at that area, then that would be the only thig around. { Aside from wind, because it is everywhere. }
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo Yeah, but If I were to fight someone on the ice, I would have a horribly unfair advantage, seeing as only myself, and a Yuki ninja could use the jutsu. confused Golden Spider of Kumo Yeah, but I'd have to wait a fairly long amount of time before I would be able to get enough ice within my range. I'm just guesstimating that the range would be about fifty feet, because that seems like a pretty large range. { I am a very literal person, so I normally do try to go by alomst all laws of logic unless someone tells me to just leave that logic alone. } Golden Spider of Kumo confused I honestly don't think it is stupid, I'm going off how many times would I have to use Glacier creation to change the battlefield into my favor, or how many times would I have to freeze something. confused
...and as Hinote said, you'd have to freeze a lake. Lakes are at least a mile long and wide.Golden Spider of Kumo Look at the ground when Haku uses Demonic Crystal Ice mirrors, He makes them out of the water on the ground. confused They floated in the air { Not entirely sure how, probably Ninja magic } But they were made from the water on the ground.
The water for the jutsu DOES NOT have to come from puddles on the ground. they certainly can... and indeed, it's probably easier this way, but its not necessary. Water exists in the form of water Vapor all around you in the air... Hyouton users can use that and their unique ability to combine it with freezing cold air to create their ice structures from seemingly nothing. it is simply easier, and probably a slightly faster to do so from preexisting puddles of water.
(As a Suiton user as well, you would be able to create water as well... so it's even less relevant whether or not there is an active water source near you.)
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:20 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Cobra_X The idea is that being SURROUNDED by your element gives you much more to use and therefore powers you up due to the playing field and your character's chakra signature interacting with and being amplified by the abundance of your element. This, Kumo. This single sentence perfectly summarizes all of what we've been telling you. If you need more than that, I question your ability to comprehend and retain information. I under stand that, I'm just seeking a range on the minimal amount of being surrounded by the element to being completely surrounded by it. Like would Merely standing in the Canyon/Valley thing that is Iwagakure be enough for the Doton bonus? { Because as far as I know, it is in a valley/ Basin/ Canyon, and that was one of the examples gregar gave. } Or would Peidmonts be enough for it? { Peidmonts are the large hills at the base of Mountains, they can stretch for about a mile to a mile and a half from mountains. }
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:24 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo Also, I would actually define your examples as Omnipotent. If you were fighting at that area, then that would be the only thing around. { Aside from wind, because it is everywhere. }
1. Almighty or infinite in power, as God.
2. Having very great or unlimited authority or power.
...neither of these definitions can be used to describe a large chunk of ice in all directions.
Try a different word. I like LARGE. Because ya know, it's a LARGE area of ice. Plus, we've already given you the parameters required.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:26 pm
Golden Spider of Kumo I under stand that, I'm just seeking a range on the minimal amount of being surrounded by the element to being completely surrounded by it. Like would Merely standing in the Canyon/Valley thing that is Iwagakure be enough for the Doton bonus? { Because as far as I know, it is in a valley/ Basin/ Canyon, and that was one of the examples gregar gave. } Or would Peidmonts be enough for it? { Peidmonts are the large hills at the base of Mountains, they can stretch for about a mile to a mile and a half from mountains. } Golden Spider of Kumo confused I honestly don't think it is stupid, I'm going off how many times would I have to use Glacier creation to change the battlefield into my favor, or how many times would I have to freeze something. confused
...and as Hinote said, you'd have to freeze a lake. Lakes are at least a mile long and wide.http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?page=106&t=17333247#279549715
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