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 Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:53 pm
No he didn't tell me what you got. Yeah well Skylar ripped up my version but I got it taken care of. Katie and I have been going back and forth in games and I think he is attempting the scavenger hunt.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:59 pm
Dracula!!! mwuhaha! The one starring Gary! Yay!!!!!!!
Fun. This would be awsome for all of us to get together, but come to think of it, Fred and I planned a movie night. So catcha later!
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:03 pm
I'm so jealous but I can borrow it from Jimmy. Have Fun.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:37 pm
Hey I know this topic was dropped, but I've been gone, and I'd like to make a note on it.
About Lucius never being mentioned while Snape and the others were in school... I have two theories, one inferred, and another vased upon something I vaguely recall being mentioned and MAY have heard from an unofficial source, despite the fact that I rarely read fanfiction.
Theory one(inferred): You skipped a generation. Lucius, I believe, went to school with the Weasley parents, who, from what I gathered, went to school before the Potters and everyone else. It would explain why Arnold and Lucius have such poor opinions of each other. They were like Harry and Draco in school.
Theory two (vague recollection): Lucius was in school at the same time as the others, though he was a few years ahead. I seem to remember somewhere hearing that Lucius took young Snape under his wing when Snape first started, and the Lucius was Prefect at the time. This would explain the connection between the two.
Or, perhaps the truth is a combination of the two, or both are completly false. I don't know. Like I said, they're theories.
On the topic of Umbridge...
I have no idea what house she was in, but I rather doubt it was Slytherin, for the simple fact that, while she does abuse power, she does not seem very cunning at all. She never herself had the idea for anything she did. It was all orders she was given, and, while she did use them to her own devices, she did not come up with them on her own. And I do agree that being in Slytherin doens't mean you must dislike half-bloods or muggle borns. As you recall, it is never mentioned that Salazar thought they needed to be killed. He just believed that magical learning should be denied them. The only malicious thing he did towards them was the chamber of secrets, which was meant to purge Hogwarts, not the world. He thougth them beneath him, yes, but I doubt he hated them.
I also do believe the other houses have faults as well, though I do NOT agree with the statement that Gryffindors refuse to see others side of the story. When the matter concerns people they cannot trust, perhaps. But then, didn't Harry listen to Remus and Sirius when they tried to tell him that Sirius wasn't the one who betrayed his parents? And yes, he demanded proof, but that shows not tht he didn't believe them, but that he did, but was unsure because of everything he'd heard. Ravenclaws are said to thrist for knowledge, but it is never stated or shown that they will do anything for it. Hufflepuffs' good naturedness is a flaw, but only because it can lead them to think to much of those who do not deserve it. Slytherin, I think, was not an evil house in the begninning. I think that it became that way because those who crave power above all else were welcome there, and those who crave power are often malicious anyway.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:03 pm
Yeah, I thought Lucius was older than the rest, but it got confusing o.o
Ooh, interesting.
I think our main problem with sorting Umbridge is that all we know her for is negative. And the houses don't focus on negative. The houses are stereotyped by certain positive traits, and we're trying to sort Umbridge by pointing out flaws in the stereotypical students...
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:31 am
Aeariel Hey I know this topic was dropped, but I've been gone, and I'd like to make a note on it.
About Lucius never being mentioned while Snape and the others were in school... I have two theories, one inferred, and another vased upon something I vaguely recall being mentioned and MAY have heard from an unofficial source, despite the fact that I rarely read fanfiction.
Theory one(inferred): You skipped a generation. Lucius, I believe, went to school with the Weasley parents, who, from what I gathered, went to school before the Potters and everyone else. It would explain why Arnold and Lucius have such poor opinions of each other. They were like Harry and Draco in school.
Theory two (vague recollection): Lucius was in school at the same time as the others, though he was a few years ahead. I seem to remember somewhere hearing that Lucius took young Snape under his wing when Snape first started, and the Lucius was Prefect at the time. This would explain the connection between the two.
Or, perhaps the truth is a combination of the two, or both are completly false. I don't know. Like I said, they're theories.
On the topic of Umbridge...
I have no idea what house she was in, but I rather doubt it was Slytherin, for the simple fact that, while she does abuse power, she does not seem very cunning at all. She never herself had the idea for anything she did. It was all orders she was given, and, while she did use them to her own devices, she did not come up with them on her own. And I do agree that being in Slytherin doens't mean you must dislike half-bloods or muggle borns. As you recall, it is never mentioned that Salazar thought they needed to be killed. He just believed that magical learning should be denied them. The only malicious thing he did towards them was the chamber of secrets, which was meant to purge Hogwarts, not the world. He thougth them beneath him, yes, but I doubt he hated them.
I also do believe the other houses have faults as well, though I do NOT agree with the statement that Gryffindors refuse to see others side of the story. When the matter concerns people they cannot trust, perhaps. But then, didn't Harry listen to Remus and Sirius when they tried to tell him that Sirius wasn't the one who betrayed his parents? And yes, he demanded proof, but that shows not tht he didn't believe them, but that he did, but was unsure because of everything he'd heard. Ravenclaws are said to thrist for knowledge, but it is never stated or shown that they will do anything for it. Hufflepuffs' good naturedness is a flaw, but only because it can lead them to think to much of those who do not deserve it. Slytherin, I think, was not an evil house in the begninning. I think that it became that way because those who crave power above all else were welcome there, and those who crave power are often malicious anyway. Did you mean Arthur? Sorry to copy the whole thing. As far as when they were all in school, it would make sense that Arthur and Lucius went to school together! Something I picked up on yesterday when I was re-reading HBP was that Voldemort and Rudolphus Lestrange went to school at the same time. I also got some time ago that Hagrid was there at the same time aswell.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:36 am
As to the Umbridge debate and the opinions on houses, It's hard to not be biased for some people because of how Rowling made her characters look. If you look at the Harry Potter books what house were most of the main characters in? Gryffindor. How many characters in Slytherin were portrayed positively? Rowling set us up with stereotypes for each house. As time has passed some of the stereotypes have grown. Almost all of the main characters, that weren't bad in the books were Gryffindor.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:49 pm
Yeah sorry my brother was alking about some friend of his named Arnold at the time, I guess I got what I was talking about confused with what I was typing... But it's kind of funny that I put that, wasn't Arthur mistakenly called Arnold once? Hee hee...
And yeah, Steffyss is right, the only house that really ever showed any negative aspects was Slytherin, which is probably why so many people automatically assume that she was in that house.
Does anyone know what house Hagird was in?
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:32 pm
Hagrid was a Gryffindor. To be honest I always saw Hagrid as a Hufflepuff because his care for magical creatures, his loyalty, his emotion. He just came off to me as more of a Hufflepuff. But Rowling has stated in interviews he was a Gryffindor.
This is to answer the question on who went to school together.
Dumbledore was born in 1881.
Hagrid went to school in the same time as Voldemort in the 1940's. McGonagall was born a year before Voldemort which means she was probably in the same time frame of school as them.
Arthur, Molly, Bellatrix, Rita Skeeter, Lucious(1954), and Narcissa were all born between 49-55 which means the majority of them were in school at the same time.
Shortly after comes 59-60 comes Peter, Sirius, James, Remus, Lupin, Lily, and Snape. Which means chances are some of the above group were still in school when this group was.
70-75 age group consists of Bill, Charlie, Tonks, Stan Shunpike. Which means they were all in school together.
Now 76 starts off were we get to meet the characters in school. Percy was 76. Oliver, Fred, and George were all in this area. Now you know all the other characters that were born after this so I don't feel the need to list these off.
I do want to add this in there for fun. Teddy was born in 1998, Two years later came Victoire who is obviously Fleur and and Bills daughter. Then in 2005 James Sirius Potter. 2006 was Albus Potter, Rose Weasely, and Scorpius Malfoy. Then 2008 was Lily Potter, and Hugo Weasely. Sometime after 2008 was the birth of Luna and Rolf Scamander gave birth to two sons, Lorcan and Lysander Scamander.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:41 pm
Hm... I always thought he was Hufflepuff too, because of his conversation concerning houses with Harry in the beginning of book one. As you recall, Harry asked about Slytherin and Hufflepuff, and Hagrid explained that they were houses at Hogwarts, and then says (and this is paraphrased, I'm afraid I don't have a copy of the book with me to check the exact quote) 'A lot of people say that Hufflepuff's are a lot of old duffers, but, eh.." and he trails off there. I always saw that as a clue that he was in Hufflepuff because of the reaction and statement.
And cool, then both of my theories were right, in a sense. I never really look up the interviews and such because of how tempermental my computer is. All the information I get is from friends (including the guild) and directly from the books.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:44 pm
I don't really read the interviews alot either. I've always been curious as well though so I did research. Then that research led into solving who went to school at the same time.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:46 pm
I always thought that Hagrid was a slightly odd Slytherin because he was down in the dungeons when Riddle confronted him. Not that no one but Slytherins can be in the dungeons... I just thought that it wasn't the best place to hang out... >.<
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:36 pm
I always thought Hagrid was a Gryffindor. I dunno, I assumed a lot of "stupid" stuff when I was little (I think I still do). I figured that Harry would like a lot of Gryffindor people and because Hagrid's among the first people he meets, I thought that Hagrid would be a Gryffindor.
That makes no logical sense whatsoever...but I guess that's the way kids go.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:11 pm
This may sound odd but I never really considered what house he would be in until the question was asked. I always assumed it was Hufflepuff as I stated before.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:23 pm
Yeah...I thought Hufflepuff as well.
Ah ha! More shows of Rowling's bias towards Gryffindor!
-stares at her-
XD
Who else? Let's 'sort' people! XD
How about Fudge?
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