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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:20 am


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In fact, couldn't knowing about it push the subconscious to explore the events even further, causing it to happen again merely to see if there is any new information to be gleaned?

That doesn't make any scientific sense. Your subconscious doesn't make executive decisions like that. The most it can do is primitive little things, like make you feel bad about something, or vaguely curious when you have no idea why you should be.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:31 am


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In fact, couldn't knowing about it push the subconscious to explore the events even further, causing it to happen again merely to see if there is any new information to be gleaned?

That doesn't make any scientific sense. Your subconscious doesn't make executive decisions like that. The most it can do is primitive little things, like make you feel bad about something, or vaguely curious when you have no idea why you should be.


lol Shuddup cookeh, how do you know what the Subconscious can do!?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:54 am


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In fact, couldn't knowing about it push the subconscious to explore the events even further, causing it to happen again merely to see if there is any new information to be gleaned?

That doesn't make any scientific sense. Your subconscious doesn't make executive decisions like that. The most it can do is primitive little things, like make you feel bad about something, or vaguely curious when you have no idea why you should be.


lol Shuddup cookeh, how do you know what the Subconscious can do!?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:57 am


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In fact, couldn't knowing about it push the subconscious to explore the events even further, causing it to happen again merely to see if there is any new information to be gleaned?

That doesn't make any scientific sense. Your subconscious doesn't make executive decisions like that. The most it can do is primitive little things, like make you feel bad about something, or vaguely curious when you have no idea why you should be.


lol Shuddup cookeh, how do you know what the Subconscious can do!?

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Science? How can you test any hypothesis on the Subconscious? lol By definition, it's not a science.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:02 pm


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Science? How can you test any hypothesis on the Subconscious? lol By definition, it's not a science.

Au contraire, my friend. The brain is nothing more than a collection of chemicals and tissues with exact purposes.
On the other hand, i suppose you could consider psychology a science, if not a hard science.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:06 pm


Psychology and Sociology are considered soft sciences. p:

I think math is too, are maybe it's a hard science. Stuff like, Biology, Chemistry and Physics are hard sciences, I know that. - w- lolo high school courses are my only examples.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:12 pm


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Science? How can you test any hypothesis on the Subconscious? lol By definition, it's not a science.

Au contraire, my friend. The brain is nothing more than a collection of chemicals and tissues with exact purposes.
On the other hand, i suppose you could consider psychology a science, if not a hard science.


All you just told me is what it's made of. The study of it technically can't be called a science unless something repeatable has been observed and/or tested.
Psychology is hardly a science. I guess you can study Behavior patterns, and call that a science, but there are some branches (like Freud's Psychodynamic psychology) that can't be studied, only hypothesized....which sorta defeats the purpose. lol
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:30 pm


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Science? How can you test any hypothesis on the Subconscious? lol By definition, it's not a science.

Au contraire, my friend. The brain is nothing more than a collection of chemicals and tissues with exact purposes.
On the other hand, i suppose you could consider psychology a science, if not a hard science.


All you just told me is what it's made of. The study of it technically can't be called a science unless something repeatable has been observed and/or tested.
Psychology is hardly a science. I guess you can study Behavior patterns, and call that a science, but there are some branches (like Freud's Psychodynamic psychology) that can't be studied, only hypothesized....which sorta defeats the purpose. lol

Look, in order to affect how something works, you must first know how it works, correct? This is a universal truth, applicable to any and every situation.
Now, the reason we have things like drugs for depression is because you can look at the brain, see what chemical comes and goes where, make inferences about what that must mean based upon the pieces of the brain you're looking at, etc.
You can't look me in the eye and tell me that science about the brain doesn't exist. xd

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:34 pm


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Science? How can you test any hypothesis on the Subconscious? lol By definition, it's not a science.

Au contraire, my friend. The brain is nothing more than a collection of chemicals and tissues with exact purposes.
On the other hand, i suppose you could consider psychology a science, if not a hard science.


All you just told me is what it's made of. The study of it technically can't be called a science unless something repeatable has been observed and/or tested.
Psychology is hardly a science. I guess you can study Behavior patterns, and call that a science, but there are some branches (like Freud's Psychodynamic psychology) that can't be studied, only hypothesized....which sorta defeats the purpose. lol

Look, in order to affect how something works, you must first know how it works, correct? This is a universal truth, applicable to any and every situation.
Now, the reason we have things like drugs for depression is because you can look at the brain, see what chemical comes and goes where, make inferences about what that must mean based upon the pieces of the brain you're looking at, etc.
You can't look me in the eye and tell me that science about the brain doesn't exist. xd


When did I say anything about the Brain? We were talking about the Subconscious, which is an abstract function of the brain (maybe) that we can only speculate on.

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The scientific method (one taught in our schools and accepted by the scientific community at large) requires that a theory can only be proposed after a hypothesis has been Tested. Sure, you can scan the brain, and see what chemicals are happening when, but for numerous reasons it's nearly impossible to tell whats actually starting what, and what's being affected, and why things are going where.You seem to think that Scientists actually know everything, but they are pretty much just as in the dark as We are; at least as far as the complex specific functions of the brain are concerned.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:34 pm


You guys need some ponies. Ponies, is a science.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:37 pm


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You guys need some ponies. Ponies, is a science.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:40 pm


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Science? How can you test any hypothesis on the Subconscious? lol By definition, it's not a science.

Au contraire, my friend. The brain is nothing more than a collection of chemicals and tissues with exact purposes.
On the other hand, i suppose you could consider psychology a science, if not a hard science.


All you just told me is what it's made of. The study of it technically can't be called a science unless something repeatable has been observed and/or tested.
Psychology is hardly a science. I guess you can study Behavior patterns, and call that a science, but there are some branches (like Freud's Psychodynamic psychology) that can't be studied, only hypothesized....which sorta defeats the purpose. lol

Look, in order to affect how something works, you must first know how it works, correct? This is a universal truth, applicable to any and every situation.
Now, the reason we have things like drugs for depression is because you can look at the brain, see what chemical comes and goes where, make inferences about what that must mean based upon the pieces of the brain you're looking at, etc.
You can't look me in the eye and tell me that science about the brain doesn't exist. xd


When did I say anything about the Brain? We were talking about the Subconscious, which is an abstract function of the brain (maybe) that we can only speculate on.

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The scientific method (one taught in our schools and accepted by the scientific community at large) requires that a theory can only be proposed after a hypothesis has been Tested. Sure, you can scan the brain, and see what chemicals are happening when, but for numerous reasons it's nearly impossible to tell whats actually starting what, and what's being affected, and why things are going where.You seem to think that Scientists actually know everything, but they are pretty much just as in the dark as We are; at least as far as the complex specific functions of the brain are concerned.

I know that. I mean, look at how much we know about magnetism. xd
What I'm saying is that there are a few specific things we do know, and a good number of theories that make perfect sense and don't clash with each other. For the most part, these theories are taken as truth because we have yet to find any evidence to the contrary, because that's also how the scientific method works.
You're also forgetting, cerebral sciences aren't like quantum physics. Not everything is blindly guessing.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:45 pm


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Science? How can you test any hypothesis on the Subconscious? lol By definition, it's not a science.

Au contraire, my friend. The brain is nothing more than a collection of chemicals and tissues with exact purposes.
On the other hand, i suppose you could consider psychology a science, if not a hard science.


All you just told me is what it's made of. The study of it technically can't be called a science unless something repeatable has been observed and/or tested.
Psychology is hardly a science. I guess you can study Behavior patterns, and call that a science, but there are some branches (like Freud's Psychodynamic psychology) that can't be studied, only hypothesized....which sorta defeats the purpose. lol

Look, in order to affect how something works, you must first know how it works, correct? This is a universal truth, applicable to any and every situation.
Now, the reason we have things like drugs for depression is because you can look at the brain, see what chemical comes and goes where, make inferences about what that must mean based upon the pieces of the brain you're looking at, etc.
You can't look me in the eye and tell me that science about the brain doesn't exist. xd


When did I say anything about the Brain? We were talking about the Subconscious, which is an abstract function of the brain (maybe) that we can only speculate on.

Review this Diagram here.
User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.
The scientific method (one taught in our schools and accepted by the scientific community at large) requires that a theory can only be proposed after a hypothesis has been Tested. Sure, you can scan the brain, and see what chemicals are happening when, but for numerous reasons it's nearly impossible to tell whats actually starting what, and what's being affected, and why things are going where.You seem to think that Scientists actually know everything, but they are pretty much just as in the dark as We are; at least as far as the complex specific functions of the brain are concerned.

I know that. I mean, look at how much we know about magnetism. xd
What I'm saying is that there are a few specific things we do know, and a good number of theories that make perfect sense and don't clash with each other. For the most part, these theories are taken as truth because we have yet to find any evidence to the contrary, because that's also how the scientific method works.
You're also forgetting, cerebral sciences aren't like quantum physics. Not everything is blindly guessing.


rofl! If everything we know is based on theoretical evidence put together by prudes with nothing better to do, than I'm definitely not sold on any part of this whole "science" business....
And ONCE again, I never contested Cerebral sciences; ONCE again, I was talking specifically, and explicitly about the Subconscious....Not the frontal lobe, or the cortex, or any of the physiological juices that drip and splatter over our inner skull walls. SUBCONSCIOUS.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:52 pm


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rofl! If everything we know is based on theoretical evidence put together by prudes with nothing better to do, than I'm definitely not sold on any part of this whole "science" business....
And ONCE again, I never contested Cerebral sciences; ONCE again, I was talking specifically, and explicitly about the Subconscious....Not the frontal lobe, or the cortex, or any of the physiological juices that drip and splatter over our inner skull walls. SUBCONSCIOUS.

A.) If it works, it works, no two ways about it. xd
B.) And I'm telling you that the "subconscious" can't help but be linked to your physical brain. We may not know as much as we'd like on that specific front, but we know enough to at least talk about it.

Anyways, enough with this. We're getting nowhere, and I need to go slip into a French Maid outfit to accompany my friend Kristen who is going to be a butler.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:12 am


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I use the account of my dead friend. I took up his personality, not being able to cope with his death and became him slowly. Then I became friends with you guys. I'm sorry for lying to you. I want to introduce who I really am, but after all these friendships, I just don't know if anyone will trust me if I decide to reveal myself.

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Wow. That's...huh.
I mean...
Did they die while we knew them...?
I mean, I'd be fine if you just revealed yourself, I guess I'd just like to take a moment of consideration if I actually knew them.
And if you're worried about losing trust by revealing your true identity, then look at Wylr and Reg. They're still our friends, aren't they?
Also: Seriously? It's a little harder to call bluffs over the internet, and I want to make sure you're not lying to us. I mean, the anonymous account should take care of that, but...

I am serious. I've been having a lot of stress problems in real life, so I have been avoiding "my" online friends to avoid piling even more stress. He died while you knew him, by his own hand. I really am not sure about introducing myself, but thank you for being supportive.
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