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ooh I know!!!!!!!!!!! you stand on a really tall building with him and push him off and he lands on rocks.

YAY! I must agree ~ wonderful idea 3nodding

.........I'm not allowed to give out military secrets or I'd tell you.

I can agree with you about some good points about Raoul, but Erik is NOT a fop!!! eek How can he?! when he lived under the opera house, isolated, how could he possibly get the latest fashion trends?!

It's not that I hate Raoul, but come on, if you completely agreed on a couple, who should go together, wouldn't you hate the perspn who interferes in it? So, yes you can go and bash Erik (since you believe in R/C... xp ) all you want, and we'll do the same with Raoul as long as we don't hit ourselves with insulting and harsh comments. This thread is purely out of entertainment, you must admit some of them are funny, or just farfetched.

*hits Phantomofthefox with a rotten tomato* mrgreen but rotten, yet soft food will do.

Grr... Gaia ate my first post.


Simple. Look up the definition of 'fop'. My dictionary says it's a 'man unnecessarily obsessed with his clothing and appearance.' Now look at Erik, who always dresses immaculately, wears a tuxedo 24/7, and has an expensive, intricately embroidered Red Death costume.
Look at SK Erik, who wears a tux 24/7, makes masks out of solid gold, and never wears the same shirt twice.
Or how about ALW Erik, who wears a tux 24/7, wears a very shiny, slicked-back wig, apparently tans, and has an expensive, intricately embroidered Red Death costume AND a hat with a big poufy feather on it?
If anyone was going to be the fop in PotO, it would be Erik. I don't blame him because he probably does it because of that one enormous flaw he can't fix, but it's still foppery of the highest degree.


No, actually, I don't find any of it funny. I don't generally get off on lengthy discussions about hacking people apart, slicing them up with a rusty razor, filling the wounds with salt, and murdering them in generally gruesome and macabre ways. But I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer would.
Furthermore... Eheh... Erik and Christine DON'T go together and Raoul DIDN'T interfere. Before you say, 'that's just your opinion', let me say that that is not my opinion but Gaston Leroux's opinion. And Leroux makes the rules. That means that no matter how much you wish for it, or how much you mutilate their characters to make Erik and Christing a happy couple, canon dictates that Raoul and Christine go together and Erik is the one who interfered. Anything else is sheer wish fulfillment, though you'd never know it from the way this fandom is. *pinches bridge of nose* But that's not my rant at you guys. That's rabid, crazy E/C shippers in general.
Anyway, believing in R/C does not in any way connote Erik-bashing. I like Erik, he's my favorite character, I just don't think he should be with Christine when she doesn't love him.
Besides, even if I was vindictive enough to take out my personal irritations on a fictional character, can you imagine the reaction I would get if I posted a 101 Ways to Kill Erik thread (which, Alexis, I'm only ever tempted to do out of revenge when faced with Raoul-bashers. I don't actually hate Erik enough to want him dead.) saying... Ooh, how about...
"Erik is a stupid evil b*****d and he should die for what he did to Christine and Raoul! I'd like to tie him to the back of a truck by his fingers and drag him along a gravel road, then lock him in his coffin, after filling it with salt and diseased rats, and drop it in the lake." ?
I imagine the reaction would be, 'if you hate Erik so much why are you here?' Well, that's what I think about Raoul bashing. If you profess to hate the hero of the story so much, why are you here? You're not PotO phans, you're Erik fans, plain and simple, and have no right to consider yourselves otherwise.

Sorry this turned into such a rant, but this topic really cheeses me off.

What really "cheeses me off" is that being a gung-ho, fop-killer E/C shipper seems to be some sort of fad. So many E/C shippers are all "f**k the fop, kill the evil b*****d in the most painful, humiliating way possible" when they aren't facing any opposition. Whenever an R/C shipper comes on and challenges them, they just start saying stuff like "oh no, we never meant it, it was all in fun." Yeah, listing out a series of detailed steps for gutting Raoul is all in fun.

And for whoever said to just not come on here if you don't like it: do you mean just ignoring a problem? Say you just ignored, say, crime because you didn't like it. Will it fix itself on its own? No. Alright, so threatening to kill a fictional character isn't as bad as stealing a car, but if people indulge such violent fantasies, where will it lead?

OK, that was the daughter-of-a-psychologist rant for the day!

Dude. I'm willing to bet that the tuxedo was one of the few clothing items he had except for the (most likely pilfered) Red Death costume and stuff.

And I never called Raoul a fop. I never called anyone a fop. I have called Raoul a pansy, but mostly that's because 1. I don't like him, and 2. It's a common joke. I'm assuming that, just as I've used the word "pansy" a couple of times to arbitrarilly insult/make fun of Raoul, other people use "fop" not as it's used in the dictionary, but as a general insult because god-knows-who started it.

go to my website then click on "Manaicle Laughter" thats says it all. My fav. is to tie him to the train tracks. But I love seeing other ones. I personly don't won't hi dea, if Raoul was dead who would we torture?..... eek .....yes.....its a terible thought....