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 Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:01 am
PirateEire Se Ga Takai PirateEire DemigoddessHalfdemon Kinda OT, but Pirate, how do you feel about the term "queer" for homosexuals? I don't really mind it. The word carries a more humorous connotation for me. I don't like the term "queers," as a noun, however. I also don't like the word "blacks" because I think it sounds offensive to call someone an pluralized adjective... I honestly don't know why. Just a pet peeve. so, can we add "queer" to the nickname thread, or is that a bit too far? wink I'll take it. 3nodding *Is a queer, queer girl.* Man, I was gonna jump in and call it too far...but hey, whatever you say, Pirate....though I won't be calling you that...it would be like you calling me Straighty McStraight (Damn it, I didn't think that one through.....) So, I think we have another case of misconstrued intentions (is that the right word...misconstrued?...oh well.) I can see what burny wrote read in several different lights, and I think meanings got crossed. so, once again....everyone move on. maybe I should be Captain Kibosh...steal my youth leader's old nickname. anywho.....I think our conflicting beliefs on this topic stem from the definition of marriage. Not just in this guild, but in the world, too. Some see it as religious, others as social, and some just merely as economical or legal. And I can totally see how that happens, I mean, even I hav thought of marriage as just legal at some points.....like when I saw how nice the married dorms are at my friend's college, I totally thought about how awesome it would be to marry someone for college and live as roommates in the BEST DORM APPARTMENTS EVER. And then I thought about how terrible it was for me to think like that.....I mean, I normally consider marriage a sacred and biblical thing.... Kay. I am really not sure where I was going with that....it's very late at night here, and I really need to go to sleep............and my train of thought flew of the tracks well over a sentence ago..... I'll sort out my thoughts tomorrow. Night!
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:52 am
Rowena Marion it would be like you calling me Straighty McStraight (Damn it, I didn't think that one through.....) *Grins sinisterly and writes that down.* In the future, when that becomes your official nickname, you only have yourself to blame. Uhahaha...! Anywhos. Even if marriage is considered a purely religious thing, there are other religions to take in to consideration who had marriage as a religious institution for an even lengthier time than Judaism/Christianity. Therefore, the teachings of Christianity (though I still stand firm in saying that the Bible says nothing against homosexual marriage) cannot be the only ones to be considered--legally. If every religion were universally against gay marriage, it might not be a problem outlawing it, however, there are many religions that are fine with gay marraige, and some that even outwardly support it. It should be legal. No one will be forced to attend gay weddings, nor will they be restricted from marrying a member of the opposite sex. Look at it like this: In one instance, denying gay marriage, people are being denied rights. In another instance, allowing gay marriage, no one is being denied rights, and the worst that could happen is that over time, the minority might be easier tolerated by the majority. Which is worse? Honestly.
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:09 am
*Bows in Pirate's direction*
Amen. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:57 pm
I agree. you basically summed my view--even if I think it's wrong, denying them the right will do nothing to convince them that my views are more correct than their own.
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:44 am
ShadowCat495 Quote: Look at it like this: In one instance, denying gay marriage, people are being denied rights. In another instance, allowing gay marriage, no one is being denied rights, and the worst that could happen is that over time, the minority might be easier tolerated by the majority. Which is worse? Honestly. Well I'm not looking at it like it's going to be tolerated. I'm see it as it's going to migrate its way into society to the point where it's hardly a taboo. Then it will be as common as heterosexual marriage. The problem? homosexual marriage is a sin, therefore, if it becomes embedded into society, people will start believing it is not a sin(which is happening anyway, but not as fast as it could), and the last time I checked, sinning is bad. razz If you're speaking about non-Christians, they don't care about Sin anyway. At least, I can't think of any logical reason they would care, anyway. As for Christians, they still see drunkeness as bad, Same for Adultry, numerous other Sins. You have no evidence to support the idea that as soon as Gay marriage is legalised everyone is going to turn gay. Also, seeing as, again, Christianity does not rule the US Congress, Supreme Court, or Judicial System, it really doesn't matter what is and isn't a Sin concerning US Law. Why do you keep bringing it up?
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:15 am
Se Ga Takai i like burnination Se Ga Takai dude...are you trying to get flamed?! You have just stated a belief, nothingg more than a ludicrous, idiotic,and simply closed minded viewpoint. To state that Men Lead and Women follow is nothing more than Chauvenist. I know plenty of Women that if you try and lead them anywhere, it's your own fault for when they kick your a**, seeing as that's all teh view you give them. And you're running the Butch-fem based off of Stereotypes. Not cool. But seriously, I'm going to wait for Pirates and Demigoddess's reply to this. chauvenist? i guess the Bible is chauvenistic then ... Ter, i'll get to your post later. whee So, where in teh Bible does it state that Men lead, Women follow, excluding the books that state against plowing ones field with an a** and oxe, or wearing a garment of two fabrics? Thanks. 1 Corinthians 11 Ephesians 5:22 Colossians 3:18
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:20 am
ShadowCat495 Quote: Look at it like this: In one instance, denying gay marriage, people are being denied rights. In another instance, allowing gay marriage, no one is being denied rights, and the worst that could happen is that over time, the minority might be easier tolerated by the majority. Which is worse? Honestly. Well I'm not looking at it like it's going to be tolerated. I'm see it as it's going to migrate its way into society to the point where it's hardly a taboo. Then it will be as common as heterosexual marriage. The problem? homosexual marriage is a sin, therefore, if it becomes embedded into society, people will start believing it is not a sin(which is happening anyway, but not as fast as it could), and the last time I checked, sinning is bad. razz Homosexuality is no more a sin than divorce is. Show me a verse against homosexual marriage, and I will forfeit my argument. There are several verses against divorce--which directly relates to marriage. The best you've got is saying homosexuality in itself is a sin in the Bible--which is disputed, BUT, either way, there's nothing against them marrying, is there. Nothing against marrying any other kind of sinner either. Multitasking is hard. Debating, answering calls in a call center, and watching Argentina vs Germany. >.> ><;;
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:00 pm
Se Ga Takai ShadowCat495 Quote: Look at it like this: In one instance, denying gay marriage, people are being denied rights. In another instance, allowing gay marriage, no one is being denied rights, and the worst that could happen is that over time, the minority might be easier tolerated by the majority. Which is worse? Honestly. Well I'm not looking at it like it's going to be tolerated. I'm see it as it's going to migrate its way into society to the point where it's hardly a taboo. Then it will be as common as heterosexual marriage. The problem? homosexual marriage is a sin, therefore, if it becomes embedded into society, people will start believing it is not a sin(which is happening anyway, but not as fast as it could), and the last time I checked, sinning is bad. razz If you're speaking about non-Christians, they don't care about Sin anyway. At least, I can't think of any logical reason they would care, anyway. As for Christians, they still see drunkeness as bad, Same for Adultry, numerous other Sins. You have no evidence to support the idea that as soon as Gay marriage is legalised everyone is going to turn gay. Also, seeing as, again, Christianity does not rule the US Congress, Supreme Court, or Judicial System, it really doesn't matter what is and isn't a Sin concerning US Law. Why do you keep bringing it up? I'm not saying everyone will become gay, I'm just saying it will become more widely accepted. I guess this is just me, but I obey the law provided it doesn't go against my religion.
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:24 pm
i like burnination Se Ga Takai i like burnination Se Ga Takai dude...are you trying to get flamed?! You have just stated a belief, nothingg more than a ludicrous, idiotic,and simply closed minded viewpoint. To state that Men Lead and Women follow is nothing more than Chauvenist. I know plenty of Women that if you try and lead them anywhere, it's your own fault for when they kick your a**, seeing as that's all teh view you give them. And you're running the Butch-fem based off of Stereotypes. Not cool. But seriously, I'm going to wait for Pirates and Demigoddess's reply to this. chauvenist? i guess the Bible is chauvenistic then ... Ter, i'll get to your post later. whee So, where in teh Bible does it state that Men lead, Women follow, excluding the books that state against plowing ones field with an a** and oxe, or wearing a garment of two fabrics? Thanks. 1 Corinthians 11 Do you also require all women aroung you to wear head coverings at all points and times when they are in Worship or Prophecy? How can a Man lead his own Flesh anymore than His Flesh leads him? They are one part, not seperate, they walk together. Wives, not just women. And seeing as you are denying Lesbians the right to marry, they have no reason to submit to anyone razz
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:26 pm
ShadowCat495 Se Ga Takai ShadowCat495 Quote: Look at it like this: In one instance, denying gay marriage, people are being denied rights. In another instance, allowing gay marriage, no one is being denied rights, and the worst that could happen is that over time, the minority might be easier tolerated by the majority. Which is worse? Honestly. Well I'm not looking at it like it's going to be tolerated. I'm see it as it's going to migrate its way into society to the point where it's hardly a taboo. Then it will be as common as heterosexual marriage. The problem? homosexual marriage is a sin, therefore, if it becomes embedded into society, people will start believing it is not a sin(which is happening anyway, but not as fast as it could), and the last time I checked, sinning is bad. razz If you're speaking about non-Christians, they don't care about Sin anyway. At least, I can't think of any logical reason they would care, anyway. As for Christians, they still see drunkeness as bad, Same for Adultry, numerous other Sins. You have no evidence to support the idea that as soon as Gay marriage is legalised everyone is going to turn gay. Also, seeing as, again, Christianity does not rule the US Congress, Supreme Court, or Judicial System, it really doesn't matter what is and isn't a Sin concerning US Law. Why do you keep bringing it up? I'm not saying everyone will become gay, I'm just saying it will become more widely accepted. I guess this is just me, but I obey the law provided it doesn't go against my religion. Thing you are not understanding is that it is not a Law but a Lack of Law. There is no Law stating you have to own a Gun, no law stating you have to speak out against the Government, and certainly no law stating that you have to get married. Simply a lacking of Laws against them.
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:10 am
Somewhat off topic, I know, but yesterday, I was joking around with my girlfriend and I told her, suddenly, very seriously. "Some day, I will marry you." Then proceeded to explain how I would do so.
I told her about taking her to a restaurant that serves needlessly expensive food. Then, I dropped on my knee, and told her how I would... well, drop on my knee. I said "I would drop on one knee... like so..." Then I said, "and I would whip out a velvet case, much like this one..." and I reached in my pocket, and her eyes bulged out. Then we laughed because... we really want it to happen, and I had no velvet case and all... >.> It was great, but... I really really want it, and so does she...
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:50 am
I am against gay marriage
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:01 pm
bluepanther_05 I am against gay marriage good of you to note, we also have a poll for just teh open answers. However, do you have any discussion topic to go with that, or are you just going to PM everyone about your initial judgements on them?
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