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 Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:32 pm
SO MUCH AGREEMENT.
I wasn't rally a fan of Naruto (the character), jst because I always found him so obnoxious in the beginning. But now, after reading that analysis, I think I can appreciate him a bit better. Definitely more than Aang.
And the love interest comparison is so perfect and true. Naruto shows a surprising amount of maturity and acceptance in the Hospital Scene, whereas Aang throws a huge fit at even the idea Katara might like someone else.
I'm SasuSaku all the way, but I think I could definitely handle NaruSaku better than the wtfery that was Kataang.
So, yeah. I completely agree with everything. This thread and its trufax is much love. <3
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:21 pm
Good comparison with Naruto and Aang. Its funny that Naruto is a lot more mature than Aang and they are the same age at the beginning. Sure Naurto was immature in the beginning but he matured pretty quick when it came to his first real mission. When Aang had to his job to do, he ran something that I think he never grew out of.
In all honesty whenever I think of Kataang I think of a whiny brat crying to get what he wants or a kid that will grow up to be a jerk whenever things don't go his way.
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:07 pm
Agreed, both of you. ^^
I have actually not been in the Naruto fandom since like....Early High school, and that was just when I was reading the Manga. The anime never looked appealing since Naruto was annoying, and the thing was just so long, and I thought, pointless.
But once I sat down and watched it(in subbed version! Naruto's english voice still deters me from the dub) I found that it really does have a lot of heart to it. Naruto is actually one of my favorite characters(among many) because of just...How emotional and what a great hero he is most of the time. He does stupid s**t every once and a while, but over all, I love the little guy to death. He knows what he wants, he knows what's important, and he never backs down if he can help it. He values his friends more than anything.
You know what's great about Kishimoto's characters, though, even when I didn't really pay all that much attention to Naruto, I still had my favorite characters...Hinata, Rock Lee, Shikamaru, Kiba...You know it's good when people who don't even watch have characters that they adore^^
I think that maybe it was the crap that Aang gave us through the series and straight to the credits of the finale that really gave me a big nudge in getting into Naruto and adopting him as my new idea of a hero.
When it comes to Naruto, I'm pretty ship neutral(though I still have my preferences) because...they all just have their own things that make them adorable, and make me love them in some way or another.
When it comes to Avatar, though, there is just something OFF about their choices in romance. XP I couldn't get into Kataang from the very begining and Maiko was just...Maiko. lol.
And you're right, Anita, that's what Aang makes me think of now too. Honestly after TSR and EIP, I seriously had a thought that from the way he was acting, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd grow into being some controlling, possessive and maybe even in some way abusive boyfriend/husband. D: That's how he acts when he's presented with the idea that Katara could love some one else, and he's only 12?!
Naruto handled it wonderfully. Then again, I guess that's what Aang gets for being so damn fixated for so long, so much that he ignores his other duties... rolleyes
And it's kind of sad...since this show is devoted to kids...
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:01 am
*claps hands excitedly*
OMTG, I'm loving the discussions happening in here! :3
I agree with the Naruto discussion as well, I mean at least Naruto is able to relizae that not everything is all silver sandwiches and sparkles. He owns up to his duty and yes, he trains, and when faced with an adversary that can kill him, he goes out of his way to return the favor 100x better. YeS, he's not afraid to kill villains. Especially after a certain villain kill sthe Hokage. I think the only time he ever hesitated in harming an villainous opponant (post exams) was when he battled Sasuke. That broke my heart to see two friends fighting, one trying to get the other to see that he wasn't alone anymore and to step away from becoming a villain and the other just to get away and shelter himself in shadows of his past. If you watch it (in subs, cuz dubs are vile nasty things), I gurantee you will be bawling your eyes out. But, as much as NaruSaku is cute and appealing, I go for the underdog so I like NaruHina. Hinata is really shy and whatnot, but later in the series she matures and is even able to stand up and sorta admit her feelings to Naruto. Not that he noticed because it turned out he was asleep XD
Anywho, now onto another series I never thought I would get involved with post ATLA: Hagane no Renkinjyutsushi (aka Fullmetal Alchemist) biggrin
In this series, we have a romance that seems like Kataang/Maiko on the surface, but yet again the Japanese write the romance better.
Winry is a childhood friend of the Elric brothers and accordingly Ed had a crush on her. There's a small chapter that shows Winry, Ed, and Al conversing about their childhood and how Ed had tried to ask Winry out and she turned him down. Winry then justifies her actions by making a stab on it being due to Ed's short stature & immaturity. Is it the end of the world for Ed? No. He has better things to do and although it pains him that she blames it on his height, he puts it behind him. In later chapters, its shown that after a series of harsh events, Winry takes notice that Ed has matured and has had a growth spurt (its hilarious when she takes notice!). But does she really dwell on those feelings 24/7? No. Like Ed, she puts it behind her because she feels that there are more important things to do.
There are a lot more things I could say on this manga series, but I don't want to spoil it (I can read Japanese...so I'm further ahead sweatdrop ).
All I'll say is that at least in this series, when faced with responsibilites Ed and Al do their job, without too much complaint (lulz) and sacrifice many things to see to it that others aren't hurt. Oh and yes, they discuss somethign about if it is really alright to kill villains and whatnot. I rather like the approach Arakawa-san used in that arc. It sounded niether childish nor condescending. It really made you think and made Aang seem all the more bratty xd :
I have yet to watch the full anime series, so I can guess that things concerning romance and friendship will be shown differently (for one, there are less funny moments about Ed's height).
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Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:45 pm
first off, totes agree on the naruto/aang comparison. naruto as a series kind of irritates the ******** out of me, and naruto as a character as well, but at least i can respect naruto's determination. he doesn't run away from things like aang does. probably the #1 thing i hate about aang is how often he runs away.
but re: pakku/kana, i don't view that as quite the same thing because pakku actually changed from the man he was when kana left. kana left because pakku was sexist and self-centered and the entire northern tribe's culture was not to her liking. after katara shows up, pakku realizes why kana left, and why he was in the wrong. he's sorry for what he did and repents by taking in katara as his pupil, and then going to the south pole to help rebuild. so i can see why kana would decide to give him a second chance at that point. plus, unlike aang, pakku does not have the mentality of "i like you, therefore you are mine." even though we're not shown their reunion, i am sure that he still ASKS how she feels and if she is willing to give him a second chance before foisting himself upon her.
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:08 pm
diet otaku first off, totes agree on the naruto/aang comparison. naruto as a series kind of irritates the ******** out of me, and naruto as a character as well, but at least i can respect naruto's determination. he doesn't run away from things like aang does. probably the #1 thing i hate about aang is how often he runs away. but re: pakku/kana, i don't view that as quite the same thing because pakku actually changed from the man he was when kana left. kana left because pakku was sexist and self-centered and the entire northern tribe's culture was not to her liking. after katara shows up, pakku realizes why kana left, and why he was in the wrong. he's sorry for what he did and repents by taking in katara as his pupil, and then going to the south pole to help rebuild. so i can see why kana would decide to give him a second chance at that point. plus, unlike aang, pakku does not have the mentality of "i like you, therefore you are mine." even though we're not shown their reunion, i am sure that he still ASKS how she feels and if she is willing to give him a second chance before foisting himself upon her. True, true. I hadn't really taken the whole "I've changed thing" into account, but you're right. And, now that I actually think about it, it kinda makes me think of Zuko and Katara - Zuko is jack-a** and Katara is reasonably pissed. He comes crawling back to prove he's changed and she eventually accepts him. ... Maybe I'm just crazy from withdrawal. >.>
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:07 pm
My thoughts on the Finale
The good stuff:
- Jun is AWESOME.
- Melon Lord Toph.
- Sokka, just Sokka. I think he is one of the best characters in Avatar.
- Suki being badass and funny and adorable.
- Jun making Zuko and Katara blush.
- Toph making ZUKO blush. That was epic. Toph crushes on everyone XD I love her.
- Katara comforting Zuko about Iroh.
- Zuko asking Katara to come with him to fight Azula.
- Iroh-Zuko reunion. SWEET.
- TophSokkaSuki combo.
- Iroh, need I say more?
- Azula being batshit crazy. It was incredibly well done.
- OZAI YOU DILF. *___* Now we know why your kids are so sexy.
- Old gaang coming back.
- Azula vs Zuko. Not only was it beautifully animated, the music was gorgeous. And Zuko pwns.
- ZUKO TAKING A LIGHTENING BLOW FOR KATARA. Thank you, Bryke. It doesn't matter if Zutara is not canon. That was SWEET.
- Katara defeating Azula.
- Katara healing Zuko.
- Azula crying. It was horrifying yet moving.
- Zuko's abs. No, seriously.
- Hell, this whole scene was awesome.
- The animation in the Ozai vs Aang fight.
- Aang about to rape the Firelord. That made me laugh.
- JUNJUNJUNJUN
The bad things:
- Spiritbending. What? >____>
- Aang not sacrificing anything in order to defeat the Firelord and being borderline Gary Stu.
- Kataang and Maiko *evades kunais* No, it's not - just - because I prefer other pairings. I would be mad if I was fan of either. Katara went from "not now, I'm comfused" to "Let's suck face!" an Mai went from "You are a jerk" to "Lemme help you with your robes". No, seriously, I expected Bryke to develop it a little more.
- No Ursa D:
- No Taang (lemme dream)
- Ozai or Azula are not dead.
- Toph didn't get her own episode with Zuko. Maybe because it would be too awesome for words.
- I wanted more Iroh sad
I'm just pissed that they had the balls to try and cover up Sozins comic by saying it wouldnt be like the show. Disapointed Bryke, disapointing. I will carry on as a Zutaran, no canon Kataang has ever stopped me before. Infact now is the perfect time to do it, i love zutara, i love avatar but i dont love the fanon wars its been created around, now that that is all gonig to die down ive got a lot of projects i want to reserfice, including the finishing of my comic, watch this space guys.
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:39 pm
rachaella22 diet otaku first off, totes agree on the naruto/aang comparison. naruto as a series kind of irritates the ******** out of me, and naruto as a character as well, but at least i can respect naruto's determination. he doesn't run away from things like aang does. probably the #1 thing i hate about aang is how often he runs away. but re: pakku/kana, i don't view that as quite the same thing because pakku actually changed from the man he was when kana left. kana left because pakku was sexist and self-centered and the entire northern tribe's culture was not to her liking. after katara shows up, pakku realizes why kana left, and why he was in the wrong. he's sorry for what he did and repents by taking in katara as his pupil, and then going to the south pole to help rebuild. so i can see why kana would decide to give him a second chance at that point. plus, unlike aang, pakku does not have the mentality of "i like you, therefore you are mine." even though we're not shown their reunion, i am sure that he still ASKS how she feels and if she is willing to give him a second chance before foisting himself upon her. True, true. I hadn't really taken the whole "I've changed thing" into account, but you're right. And, now that I actually think about it, it kinda makes me think of Zuko and Katara - Zuko is jack-a** and Katara is reasonably pissed. He comes crawling back to prove he's changed and she eventually accepts him. ... Maybe I'm just crazy from withdrawal. >.> Naah, I see what you're saying there too...Gah. So many connections in this show, yet none at all.
X(
@Fujin:
Totes in agreement. And Ozai is total DILF material. me and my friend were SCREAMING when he started striping.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:39 pm
Teh_Sheba rachaella22 diet otaku first off, totes agree on the naruto/aang comparison. naruto as a series kind of irritates the ******** out of me, and naruto as a character as well, but at least i can respect naruto's determination. he doesn't run away from things like aang does. probably the #1 thing i hate about aang is how often he runs away. but re: pakku/kana, i don't view that as quite the same thing because pakku actually changed from the man he was when kana left. kana left because pakku was sexist and self-centered and the entire northern tribe's culture was not to her liking. after katara shows up, pakku realizes why kana left, and why he was in the wrong. he's sorry for what he did and repents by taking in katara as his pupil, and then going to the south pole to help rebuild. so i can see why kana would decide to give him a second chance at that point. plus, unlike aang, pakku does not have the mentality of "i like you, therefore you are mine." even though we're not shown their reunion, i am sure that he still ASKS how she feels and if she is willing to give him a second chance before foisting himself upon her. True, true. I hadn't really taken the whole "I've changed thing" into account, but you're right. And, now that I actually think about it, it kinda makes me think of Zuko and Katara - Zuko is jack-a** and Katara is reasonably pissed. He comes crawling back to prove he's changed and she eventually accepts him. ... Maybe I'm just crazy from withdrawal. >.> Naah, I see what you're saying there too...Gah. So many connections in this show, yet none at all.
X(
@Fujin:
Totes in agreement. And Ozai is total DILF material. me and my friend were SCREAMING when he started striping. The whole part where Ozai strips off his clothes, my eyes were glued to the screen. I couldn't look away, no matter how wrong it felt. XD
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:49 pm
RockyRoadSmith Teh_Sheba rachaella22 diet otaku first off, totes agree on the naruto/aang comparison. naruto as a series kind of irritates the ******** out of me, and naruto as a character as well, but at least i can respect naruto's determination. he doesn't run away from things like aang does. probably the #1 thing i hate about aang is how often he runs away. but re: pakku/kana, i don't view that as quite the same thing because pakku actually changed from the man he was when kana left. kana left because pakku was sexist and self-centered and the entire northern tribe's culture was not to her liking. after katara shows up, pakku realizes why kana left, and why he was in the wrong. he's sorry for what he did and repents by taking in katara as his pupil, and then going to the south pole to help rebuild. so i can see why kana would decide to give him a second chance at that point. plus, unlike aang, pakku does not have the mentality of "i like you, therefore you are mine." even though we're not shown their reunion, i am sure that he still ASKS how she feels and if she is willing to give him a second chance before foisting himself upon her. True, true. I hadn't really taken the whole "I've changed thing" into account, but you're right. And, now that I actually think about it, it kinda makes me think of Zuko and Katara - Zuko is jack-a** and Katara is reasonably pissed. He comes crawling back to prove he's changed and she eventually accepts him. ... Maybe I'm just crazy from withdrawal. >.> Naah, I see what you're saying there too...Gah. So many connections in this show, yet none at all.
X(
@Fujin:
Totes in agreement. And Ozai is total DILF material. me and my friend were SCREAMING when he started striping. The whole part where Ozai strips off his clothes, my eyes were glued to the screen. I couldn't look away, no matter how wrong it felt. XD IKNOWRIGHT?!
4laugh burning_eyes
OzaiMania, a guilty pleasure for female(and some male) Avatards everywhere.
3nodding
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:21 am
Teh_Sheba RockyRoadSmith Teh_Sheba rachaella22 diet otaku first off, totes agree on the naruto/aang comparison. naruto as a series kind of irritates the ******** out of me, and naruto as a character as well, but at least i can respect naruto's determination. he doesn't run away from things like aang does. probably the #1 thing i hate about aang is how often he runs away. but re: pakku/kana, i don't view that as quite the same thing because pakku actually changed from the man he was when kana left. kana left because pakku was sexist and self-centered and the entire northern tribe's culture was not to her liking. after katara shows up, pakku realizes why kana left, and why he was in the wrong. he's sorry for what he did and repents by taking in katara as his pupil, and then going to the south pole to help rebuild. so i can see why kana would decide to give him a second chance at that point. plus, unlike aang, pakku does not have the mentality of "i like you, therefore you are mine." even though we're not shown their reunion, i am sure that he still ASKS how she feels and if she is willing to give him a second chance before foisting himself upon her. True, true. I hadn't really taken the whole "I've changed thing" into account, but you're right. And, now that I actually think about it, it kinda makes me think of Zuko and Katara - Zuko is jack-a** and Katara is reasonably pissed. He comes crawling back to prove he's changed and she eventually accepts him. ... Maybe I'm just crazy from withdrawal. >.> Naah, I see what you're saying there too...Gah. So many connections in this show, yet none at all.
X(
@Fujin:
Totes in agreement. And Ozai is total DILF material. me and my friend were SCREAMING when he started striping. The whole part where Ozai strips off his clothes, my eyes were glued to the screen. I couldn't look away, no matter how wrong it felt. XD IKNOWRIGHT?!
4laugh burning_eyes
OzaiMania, a guilty pleasure for female(and some male) Avatards everywhere.
3nodding Hahaha! My dad was looking at me strangely the whole time as I was like : "Please... lose the pants, too..." @_@ Oh my gosh. I kind of want to type that phrase up, print it out, and tape it on my dorm's door. 4laugh
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:55 pm
RockyRoadSmith Teh_Sheba RockyRoadSmith Teh_Sheba rachaella22 diet otaku first off, totes agree on the naruto/aang comparison. naruto as a series kind of irritates the ******** out of me, and naruto as a character as well, but at least i can respect naruto's determination. he doesn't run away from things like aang does. probably the #1 thing i hate about aang is how often he runs away. but re: pakku/kana, i don't view that as quite the same thing because pakku actually changed from the man he was when kana left. kana left because pakku was sexist and self-centered and the entire northern tribe's culture was not to her liking. after katara shows up, pakku realizes why kana left, and why he was in the wrong. he's sorry for what he did and repents by taking in katara as his pupil, and then going to the south pole to help rebuild. so i can see why kana would decide to give him a second chance at that point. plus, unlike aang, pakku does not have the mentality of "i like you, therefore you are mine." even though we're not shown their reunion, i am sure that he still ASKS how she feels and if she is willing to give him a second chance before foisting himself upon her. True, true. I hadn't really taken the whole "I've changed thing" into account, but you're right. And, now that I actually think about it, it kinda makes me think of Zuko and Katara - Zuko is jack-a** and Katara is reasonably pissed. He comes crawling back to prove he's changed and she eventually accepts him. ... Maybe I'm just crazy from withdrawal. >.> Naah, I see what you're saying there too...Gah. So many connections in this show, yet none at all.
X(
@Fujin:
Totes in agreement. And Ozai is total DILF material. me and my friend were SCREAMING when he started striping. The whole part where Ozai strips off his clothes, my eyes were glued to the screen. I couldn't look away, no matter how wrong it felt. XD IKNOWRIGHT?!
4laugh burning_eyes
OzaiMania, a guilty pleasure for female(and some male) Avatards everywhere.
3nodding Hahaha! My dad was looking at me strangely the whole time as I was like : "Please... lose the pants, too..." @_@ Oh my gosh. I kind of want to type that phrase up, print it out, and tape it on my dorm's door. 4laugh Ha, that would definitely win!
whee
And now, I am getting the image of Ozai doin' his whole genocide thing on the blimps wearing nothing but a speedo(or funnier yet, nothing but a black censor-bar!!)
AAAAHHHHH THE IMAGERY
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:34 am
Teh_Sheba RockyRoadSmith Teh_Sheba RockyRoadSmith Teh_Sheba Naah, I see what you're saying there too...Gah. So many connections in this show, yet none at all.
X(
@Fujin:
Totes in agreement. And Ozai is total DILF material. me and my friend were SCREAMING when he started striping. The whole part where Ozai strips off his clothes, my eyes were glued to the screen. I couldn't look away, no matter how wrong it felt. XD IKNOWRIGHT?!
4laugh burning_eyes
OzaiMania, a guilty pleasure for female(and some male) Avatards everywhere.
3nodding Hahaha! My dad was looking at me strangely the whole time as I was like : "Please... lose the pants, too..." @_@ Oh my gosh. I kind of want to type that phrase up, print it out, and tape it on my dorm's door. 4laugh Ha, that would definitely win!
whee
And now, I am getting the image of Ozai doin' his whole genocide thing on the blimps wearing nothing but a speedo(or funnier yet, nothing but a black censor-bar!!)
AAAAHHHHH THE IMAGERY
burning_eyes heart Oh my gosh! I wish someone would make a flash movie of that!! Gah, I would just die! But I'd die happy, that's for sure. XD I would love the black censor-bar to be there! Oh, so classic. heart EEHHHH! I KNOW! I FEEL SO DIRTY! gonk heart
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:40 am
I laughed so hard at the first link whee Momo .. gathering more troops lol
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:10 pm
Veysa Apple-Sherbet Veysa rachaella22 Dementia DarkMoon Wow, I kinda hate my rant now, I feel really childish :/ Anyyyways, I'm over the whole Bryke thing. Writing post-Finale fics helps a lot 8D And besides, we all know Maiko won't last, it didn't last time. "Just don't break up with me." But wasn't she the one to call it off the first time? xD If they didn't last long the first time, I doubt they'll survive a third :/ As for Kataang, they have too many differences, their age being the main problem, because 12 and 14 are eons apart, mentaly and physically. So, meh. Bryke can run around in lala-canon land while we enjoy our fanon and fiction 3nodding
And, yeah, Maiko and Kataang don't have the greatest basis for long-lasting relationships. But We'll let Bryke have their dreams. Now who's delusional? xDSo true. However, they obviously know much more about romance and relationships than us because their love life is so perfect. What's their wives names??? "Don't" and "Exsist" I believe... That was harsh of me.It had to be said *falls over laughing* xd
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