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Why not believe in the existence of God? There are more than enough reasons for an individual. Looking at the state of the world, with so many people suffering, yet there being no help for those starving children that lost their families to famishes and disease, and soon bound to the same fate, for no reason.

Life may have been particularly cruel to an individual, and thus, they do not believe in a god for the treatment they've received throughout their lives.

I'm sure there are many, many more reasons, but alas, I'm tired and can't think of any right now... xp

Simple logic.

God is supposed to be good. Do you see alot of good happening?
The bible is against homosexual marriage, yet most of the world has agreed that discrimination is bad. How can a god that discriminates be good?

The bible contradicts itself in everyother sentence. And people can twist it's meaning millions of different ways.

So simply I'll answer your question with a question. Why believe in a god?

The bible wasn't even written by god. By people who were seeing ghosts and crazy. Why believe in a second hand source written by people who belong in an insane asylum?

Understand that I am not Atheist. I am not any religion, I'm against all religions. I don't believe that one should state all their beliefs in one word. I think a system of beliefs should be harder to explain than "I'm catholic" or "I'm atheist" I think that religion doesn't promote free thinking and instead incourages "follow the leader" behavior.

Point being I'm not atheist nor am I any other religion. It a system of beliefs which makes it a religion. It is just the opposite of normal religions, which do believe in the supernatural and whatnot.

No people define their system of beliefs by the title given to them. When someone says they are atheist you already know they don't believe in a god. That outlines every belief they have about life, death, the after life, god, higher powers, and everything else religion entails.

Furthermore I never said religion is simple. I said it shouldn't be as simple as saying a word and everyone knows your beliefs. And your proving my point. You have your religion. Instead of I believe in a supreme being and I believe that he controls everything yet still gives us free will and I believe in heaven, hell and pergatory and outline your beliefs you say "I'm blah blah" People hardly ever know the full extent of what their religion is, they know the major points and that is about it. There is a good possibility that they don't agree with everything. I have had straight up religios freaks who don't believe in babtism and/or communion. There is no reason why people should be straight up one religion, they should have their own beliefs and not do little seal claps for their religion. They should be able to sum up the high points of their "religion" in a timely fashion whithout saying "atheist" or "christian" or "buddist" or what ever other religions there may be in this world. They should know everything they stand for and don't stand for. All religion does is promote lazy thinking.

Religion is the same principle as labels to me. Are you a goth or a punk? Are you Cristian or Buddist? Same thing...label label label, that is all society seems to do anymore.

I never said Catholism isn't a complex religion. For that matter I never said any religion wasn't complex.

So go back a develop your reading skills before you start to attack me. And no, I don't take it lightly when someone tells me my flawless beliefs are wrong. Which is the problem with religion, they all think their belief is correct. (I was being ironic with the flawless part)

If someone said a friend of a friend thought the moon was made of cheese woud you believe him? I hope not, that is what your doing when you choose to believe in christianity and many other religions. And that is part of the reason why I'm against them all. You can't hand me a tablet of crap about some dead guy and expect me to believe secondhand accounts written by crazy people. It just doesn't work that way.

The reason why this thread (any most other religios debates) are directed toward christianity is because it is the most screwed up and the one most people are familiar with.










Obviously it doesn't fit the first one but it fits all four of the others.

It fits all of the deffintions except for the first one. The second one it deffinately fits. The third one is the life of a person chooses to follow the religion, you choose to follow atheism and you have a life. As for the fourth one. One day someone had to stand up and say "You know what, I don't believe in any god and where going to call it Atheism" It may not have been all hading out pamplets but the religion had to spread somehow. Somebody had to define what exactically it meant to be an atheist. Atheists all share the same beliefs, somebody had to deside what beliefs were manitory to have, what beliefs were okay to have, and what beliefs you couldn't have. The fifth deffinition doesn't fit you, but it does fit some atheists. Some atheists wont believe in a god even if it was proven, they want nothing to do with a god of any kind.

I have no problem with categorizing things to make it easier. Just not something as important in determining people's actions as religion. You should not categorize beliefs into a nice neat file. There is a huge difference between categorizing race and religion.

And that is exactly the problem. Classifying your religion should be complex not simple. And there should be no classifying period. Christians automatically come to the side of their religion when it is in danger, they think it might earn them a place in heaven or whatever. But mainly because they share the title. Christians unite and make abortion illegal or gay marriage illegal. Instead of people forming their own views they just automatically align with their religion. Face it, to most religions, especially christianity, people are just mindless drones eager to do their bidding. This would stop if people would stop defining their beliefs by one word.

The definition states that religion is

Atheism doesn't ditacte my life. I say that I am atheist, but it doesn't have any set rules I have to follow. And no one tells an atheist exactly what to believe. I didn't read some book one day that told me that if I don't believe in god then I also have to believe this, and believe that. I classify myself as atheist because I don't believe in a god, simple as that. I don't need a book to dictate what I believe and can't believe.

And now religion is more important than race? It really shouldn't be as seeing that there is supposedly a separation of church and state and race is still a big issue. I still don't understand why classifying a belief is so bad. Sure not everyone is going to believe the exact same thing, but there is nothing wrong with classifying each in a broad spectrum. And how do you know Christians don't form their own views about religion. Are you a Christian, do you know any personally? I know verymany Christians and not many of them are mindless drones. Their law states that abortion is wrong because it is equal to murder. They feel that a baby is an innocent life and that abortion kills it. Some say that in the case of rape it should be allowed, but in any other case it should be illegal.

Off the abortion issue, our law tells us that stealing is wrong in general. Would you not listen to the law just because you wouldn't want to be a "mindless drone?"

I think there is a difference between being an atheist and not believing in religion.

I believe that there is some sort of higher power.

But I think 99.9999% of religion is an ********>

This one is the easiest to respond to at the moment. Eventually I hope to go back and respond to others with some depth.

How does Science disprove God?

Please do not use the theory of evolution. For one thing, not a single one of us was there at the creation of the world, carbon dating is full of errors, and frankly I believe evolution to be a very real possibility. I'm a theistic evolutionist after all.

If anything, from my scientific background, I have seen science to support the idea of God. Take Physics for example, in physics there are unseen forces. We have labeled some of these forces such as gravity, inertia, wind resistance. No matter how much we label them we can't see them. We can see there effects but to be honest I can't prove to you any of them truly exist just by using my senses. Unless you count the ability to feel things, in that case I 'feel' God at work in my life all the time. Sometimes, I even see God working through my life through the events that transpire. (What do you think are the chances of those happening by coincidence? If I was any good at statistics I would surely show you.)

What about Biology? The complexity of all the creatures and DNA could hardly be a chance occurrence. Even if they did come together through evolution something had to start the reaction. (This is neither the time nor place to bring up what created God seeing as we are discussing scientific reasoning and not existential theology.) Everything starts with something even the big bang had to come from somewhere, rationally.

I'm not sure how Chemistry would disprove God's existence.

If you have some rationale explanations that could explain how scientific data disproves God, I would be more than happy to listen. Please enlighten me.

Thank You for your time! I am enjoying the conversation.

As Always,

The Melodious M