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Of all the genre's of music there have been two that have been most critisized in at least the country of America. The two that I refer to are in the title Hip Hop and Rock. The question is this;

Should they be censored?

Are they slowly losing the original meaning that they once stood for?

Should they be allowed in our society? Do they really have a place here in our society? As Dan Quayle said of Tupac's first album 2pacalypse Now

"There's no reason for a record like this to be released. It has no place in our society."

Is Dan Quayle right? Does he have an argument for the types of CD's released by the deceased Tupac or by the now broken up Rage Against the Machine?

I will not pretend to know much about Rock music as I do Hip Hop, I do know however that Gaia has an overwhelming amount of people who understand the revolutionary roots of Rock. So please post your opinions and your comments on it. I will defend Hip Hop in general and say that if any know the history of it and know of the old Hip Hop you will know that it has become something completely commercialized as Rock is becoming and most political Rap and Hip Hop is now based in the Underground with record labels refusing to sign major political acts like KRS-One, Public Enemy, Immortal Technique, Sabac Red, and many others. For those who want to debate on Hip Hop I'm here for it, Rock I cannot defend with as much vigor despite my liking of it, I don't have all the information on it.

The only music I have a problem with is Rap. It's just stupid. Period. My opinion and no one is going to change that. So don't argue with me here.
I mostly listen to light rock, country, rock, 80's music, and pop. Not really much into metal, I've heard alittle bit and I don't much like it, but I don't have a problem with it.

I think there should be a limit to the number of cus words (or words like the "n" word (don't get me started on the stupidity behind that word), hoe and all the other non-cuss bad words) allowed in a song. I don't think they should bleep it out because that ruins the song. Some of the music I listen too has some sort of profanity in it, but only once or twice in the song is profanity used. There is no reason why a song should be made up of nothing but profanity. Profanity doesn't help people express themselves it is just a way to make people what to buy their CD's. Kids always want what they can't have. You tell a kid that they can't have gum and they'll want it twice as much had you given it to them. Honestly using profanity just makes who ever is singing it sound ill-educated.

While I am in no way against free speech it is riduclous to listen to a censored song and here "Beep beep beep the beep beep beep and all you beep beep beep" And just as bad to here it not bleeped. How someone enjoys that is beyond me.

@ SushiJen
It's not because people can't take profanity, it is because people don't want their children to end up like the retarded 13 year olds in my town, with no respect for their elders and cussing out their teachers and whatnot. Profanity is disrespectful. While the words are no different than any other word in our society, but because they are held as disrespectful it is shunned to use them.

I feel that music is a form of freedom of speech and of coarse it shouldn't be censored since that is a freedom. As for meaning. Not all music has the same meaning. There are several bands or artists that wish to portray their message to society so it all depends to the artist. The genre is just the sound of the music and not the messages of the genre.

They should totally be allowed in our society because music has always been a part of society. Imagine that mayhem that would start if music was banned for society. Also music rock and hip hop are types of music that involve expressing your feelings. And society cannot band depictions of feelings.

I wouldn't look as these two genre's in a political way and a formal way I would look at them as passionate way. Both don't follow "the system" because they don't like being part of mainstream things that people follow.
SO I wouldn't bring about the approval of music since from the beginning it wasn't approved anyway.


I hope I portrayed myself well.

It does matter because that same genre of rap still exists, it is just not being portrayed by a large company. They don't want to hear another Tupac Shakur come out. Political music still exists today and is portrayed by a wide variety of underground artists its just not seen by the mainstream and slowly became fizzled out with the death of Tupac.

Yes when I refer to the Rock I refer to Heavy Metal and even the old brands such as Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, more recent ones would be Slipknot, Disturbed, and other groups to that effect. They each had their own message and beliefs that are considered right or wrong by different people and Hip Hop is the same. It is wrong what it is today, however that is because the Hip Hop that it was has slowly died and become what it is, and so is the path Hard Rock is taking.

Also I am a firm believer in using the past to affect the future. Though to me Hip Hop is part of my culture, its what I grew around and what introduced me to politics and like a parent would hate to see their child go down the wrong path I am concerned with the way Hip Hop has turned. I wish to use the past to try to portray what Hip Hop could be.

Hey, Yoko.

Ever heard of the rapper DZK?

I don't know about that stuff.. He's actually my best friend (no bullshit, but you don't have to believe me, no-one ever does), and he's got over.. I think 200 songs now.

You should really listen to his song, Bow Down. Listen to the lyrics. It's a very controversial, anti-religious song..


Most of his stuff, though, is actually just plain a** funny, like I found Jesus, What's your age again?, and Super Zero's..



Don't know what original rap or hiphop was like, but I just figured I'd asked if you heard of him, since you were talking about underground artists and such.. He's touring in texas right now, if you happen to be in that area.

New rap is completely ridiculous.

They are signing these artists for hundreds of millions of dollars and the albums are going platinum and double platinum just because the artist can string together stupid sentences to make it sound good.

'Call me George Foreman cause I'm selling errbody grillz?' ARE YOU ******** SERIOUS?

Yes Saori Tsukiyama Rock does give a good message much better than Hip Hop does; especially Metal which represents so much emotion behind it;

I believe it was Disturbed that said "WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SUCH A b***h?? ******** YOU!!!"
That really does speak volumes of emotion and holds such passion.

Whereas Tupac Shakur said "They have money for wars but not enough to feed the poor..."

I believe the conflict of emotion is clear, yes the rocker says things that he feels but it seems that the rapper speaks about the issues of his life rather than what he feels towards his mother.

No I don't doubt you don't like Hip Hop and I doubt you could understand its messages to the people they are attempting to deliver it to however when I refer to its messages I mean to say Old School Hip Hop. I do agree with you that today's New Rap is complete garbage that plays on just one beat and lyric.

Also since when did they dress the same? They all have different styles as I've seen Biggie wore suits towards the middle of his career, Rocawear is definitely different from any other clothing line, as is Sean John, G-Unit, and the Snowman. Up until recently I have seen rockers dress the same with the ripped pants, or heavily chained pants with the piercings everywhere.

@Xyloid: You are completely right in your statement though I doubt the artists even create the sentences themselves as they don't have the intelligence of a head of cabbage. Since when did it sound good? I never heard anything worse lol.