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AngelOfPermenetDeath

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:30 am


I am a 15 year old who only wants to learn more about the wiccan religion but my mother is a strict christian. I convinced her like my friends told me to but when i did she yeld at me to bring everything upstairs so I did as I was told, She burned it all infront of my very eyes... Now my mother makes sure i dont go anywhere with out her or my dad if she thinks I am up to something "suspitious" she drags me to the nearest Church.... What is wrong with me just wanting to be myself. When I get older I want to run my own Animal rescue shelter and become a High Preastess Of Magick in a coven of my own ^_^ But how can I continue my studies when my mother wont even let me go outside to get the mail? I mean I cant meditate I cant even take peacful walks and just let the wind run wildly through my hair? I will never reach my dream is my mom never lightens up. What do I do can anyone help me is there a way I can undo this whole thing, its been going on for the past 4 years!

Merry ye part^_^
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:29 am


AngelOfPermenetDeath
I am a 15 year old who only wants to learn more about the wiccan religion but my mother is a strict christian. I convinced her like my friends told me to but when i did she yeld at me to bring everything upstairs so I did as I was told, She burned it all infront of my very eyes... Now my mother makes sure i dont go anywhere with out her or my dad if she thinks I am up to something "suspitious" she drags me to the nearest Church.... What is wrong with me just wanting to be myself. When I get older I want to run my own Animal rescue shelter and become a High Preastess Of Magick in a coven of my own ^_^ But how can I continue my studies when my mother wont even let me go outside to get the mail? I mean I cant meditate I cant even take peacful walks and just let the wind run wildly through my hair? I will never reach my dream is my mom never lightens up. What do I do can anyone help me is there a way I can undo this whole thing, its been going on for the past 4 years!

Merry ye part^_^


Things like this always piss me off and annoy the hell out of me... I can relate with not being understood because I have friends who are avid christians and I constantly fear them burning me at the stake if they found out I run the MPRILC and stuff... but my Mom is fairly accepting of me, besides her thinking the alchemy circles and charms and the "point UP pentacle" is evil because two points down means bad stare and I can't convince her it's NOT evil and she won't even let me burn them or get rid of them in certain ways when she tells me because she fears that the "evil spirits" will come out... And she's one of the most open-minded people you could meet I think.

I don't have any idea how to get rid of sheer ignorance really...
I'm guessing that they won't change because they're set in their ways on christianity and you'll have to wait another three years(total seven years? sweatdrop ) so that you have your own legal individuality.

I'm also fifteen turning sixteen in nine days, but... in a religious freedom sense, I can believe in anything "non-evil" pretty much, according to my mother. I've recently quit eating meat because of a music video by Rise Against, and I plan to grow up and get money somehow to fund some organization thingy, somehow, somewhere, lol.

I think you have two options though, one is to sit with them and talk again, and say that you'll purify the things in a christian way and use holy water, and still tollerate and accept christ stuff, then tell them that it's "ecectic paganism" not wiccanism sweatdrop


I'm sorry I'm not much help...v_v

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Darin Rosewood

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:38 am


Well, at 15, you're not going to be able to get involved in Wicca for three more years, as no real coven will initiate people under 18. By then you'll have moved out anyway, so no worries. If you're interested in practicing magic until then, go ahead, but do it in secret. Some people are ignorant and refuse to hear any other viewpoint than their own. You can't reason with them, so you pretty much have to either avoid them or live with them. I'm living with two at the moment, not intolerant of me, but rather with each other. Man, that's amusing. I hear their viewpoints and listen to their arguments, but the whole time I'm thinking "Where the hell are they getting their logic from? Kindergarten?" My brother and my stepmom (the two I'm talking about) just are complete idiots. I doubt that my stepmom would care that much if she knew about my interest in the occult, but I'm not taking chances, because she really is kind of intolerant and stubborn. ^_^
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:02 am


be a buddist razz seriously if she has a problem with buddist bring up mother tresa, i think she was a buddist-Christan

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iolitefire

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:42 pm


Your mom can say and do all she wants but in the end, your views are your own. She cannot forcibly change them no matter what she does. She can drag you to church everyday for the next year, but you may still be truly Wiccan.
My mom almost wanted to do that to me but I informed her of the information above and it finally clicked with her. She now thinks that this is a phase that I will grow out (its been 7-8 years now, lol).
Also keep in mind that your mom may be worried about you. Wicca doesn't have the greatest track record. Many "traditional" Wiccan covens are nothing more than cults that promote ***** and other icky practices. There's been many cases were the High Priest of a coven makes the younger members do things in order to be accepted.
That's why my mom didn't like Wicca. She was hearing about these coven cults and was honestly afraid that something would happen to me. Now, of course not all covens are like this, but maybe there was a really bad coven in your area who called themselves Wiccans?
Start off slowly woth Wicca. If you join a coven, join one that has people you can trust. Even if its not traditional Wicca, you may still find it to be good for you. Non-traditional Wiccan covens usually will admit younger members. Why? Because its dumb not to. No religion in its right mind will make younger folks wait until they are 18. They develop religious curriculem specifically for children and teens.

As for practicing Wicca, keep in mind that your mom can't stop you from praying or doing magik. Wiccan magik tends to rely on items (stones, herbs, candles, etc.) but the truth is that you don't need any of that stuff to effectively do magik. They just help you focus.

I wish you the best of luck! I despise being forced religion (or forced away from religion).
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:07 pm


AngelOfPermenetDeath
I am a 15 year old who only wants to learn more about the wiccan religion but my mother is a strict christian. I convinced her like my friends told me to but when i did she yeld at me to bring everything upstairs so I did as I was told, She burned it all infront of my very eyes... Now my mother makes sure i dont go anywhere with out her or my dad if she thinks I am up to something "suspitious" she drags me to the nearest Church.... What is wrong with me just wanting to be myself. When I get older I want to run my own Animal rescue shelter and become a High Preastess Of Magick in a coven of my own ^_^ But how can I continue my studies when my mother wont even let me go outside to get the mail? I mean I cant meditate I cant even take peacful walks and just let the wind run wildly through my hair? I will never reach my dream is my mom never lightens up. What do I do can anyone help me is there a way I can undo this whole thing, its been going on for the past 4 years!

Merry ye part^_^

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What did your friends tell you to do? And how?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:37 pm


I second Josh's question; Maybe it was a casual error, but when I read "I convinced her like my friends told me to", I had a "Wait, hang on..." moment.

You could be a diligent wee Wiccan and read up (online) all the stuff you're missing out on, so when you're older and presumably allowed more breathing space, you can start putting stuff into practise; or, you could be hardXcore and become sort sort of techno-Wiccan right now; it's a lot more discreet than amassing a library of wicca-related material and tools.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:05 pm


link2822
be a buddist razz seriously if she has a problem with buddist bring up mother tresa, i think she was a buddist-Christan

but i dont really want to be buddist sorry no affence but i want to just be me and practice wicca sad

AngelOfPermenetDeath


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:10 pm


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AngelOfPermenetDeath
I am a 15 year old who only wants to learn more about the wiccan religion but my mother is a strict christian. I convinced her like my friends told me to but when i did she yeld at me to bring everything upstairs so I did as I was told, She burned it all infront of my very eyes... Now my mother makes sure i dont go anywhere with out her or my dad if she thinks I am up to something "suspitious" she drags me to the nearest Church.... What is wrong with me just wanting to be myself. When I get older I want to run my own Animal rescue shelter and become a High Preastess Of Magick in a coven of my own ^_^ But how can I continue my studies when my mother wont even let me go outside to get the mail? I mean I cant meditate I cant even take peacful walks and just let the wind run wildly through my hair? I will never reach my dream is my mom never lightens up. What do I do can anyone help me is there a way I can undo this whole thing, its been going on for the past 4 years!

Merry ye part^_^

Priestess*

What did your friends tell you to do? And how?


They told me to sit down with my mom and tell her how i felt of christianity and Wicca, they said everything would be okay so i did what they told me to do they said to show her a good book on wicca so i showed her this book called True Magick and then she lost it she burned it and started to yell at me to get my other things!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:13 pm


Mitsh
I second Josh's question; Maybe it was a casual error, but when I read "I convinced her like my friends told me to", I had a "Wait, hang on..." moment.

You could be a diligent wee Wiccan and read up (online) all the stuff you're missing out on, so when you're older and presumably allowed more breathing space, you can start putting stuff into practise; or, you could be hardXcore and become sort sort of techno-Wiccan right now; it's a lot more discreet than amassing a library of wicca-related material and tools.

i guess you can say that but i do get my cercle time in when i go to school with my friends but they are all moving so now i ditch Choir and try to get to a peacful place.... if you can find anyone in Colorado ill be more than glad to give them a call!

AngelOfPermenetDeath


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:22 pm


AngelOfPermenetDeath
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AngelOfPermenetDeath
I am a 15 year old who only wants to learn more about the wiccan religion but my mother is a strict christian. I convinced her like my friends told me to but when i did she yeld at me to bring everything upstairs so I did as I was told, She burned it all infront of my very eyes... Now my mother makes sure i dont go anywhere with out her or my dad if she thinks I am up to something "suspitious" she drags me to the nearest Church.... What is wrong with me just wanting to be myself. When I get older I want to run my own Animal rescue shelter and become a High Preastess Of Magick in a coven of my own ^_^ But how can I continue my studies when my mother wont even let me go outside to get the mail? I mean I cant meditate I cant even take peacful walks and just let the wind run wildly through my hair? I will never reach my dream is my mom never lightens up. What do I do can anyone help me is there a way I can undo this whole thing, its been going on for the past 4 years!

Merry ye part^_^

Priestess*

What did your friends tell you to do? And how?


They told me to sit down with my mom and tell her how i felt of christianity and Wicca, they said everything would be okay so i did what they told me to do they said to show her a good book on wicca so i showed her this book called True Magick and then she lost it she burned it and started to yell at me to get my other things!

She can't force you to change your mind no matter what she does. She needs to realize that. If it was me, I would argue that even Almighty God recognized that the chance to freely choose to do good was the most sacred thing in the world, so much that evil must be allowed to garuntee it. And, if God doesn't just whisk away all the evil in the world, who the hell is she to think she can?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:56 pm


iolitefire
Your mom can say and do all she wants but in the end, your views are your own. She cannot forcibly change them no matter what she does. She can drag you to church everyday for the next year, but you may still be truly Wiccan.
My mom almost wanted to do that to me but I informed her of the information above and it finally clicked with her. She now thinks that this is a phase that I will grow out (its been 7-8 years now, lol).
Also keep in mind that your mom may be worried about you. Wicca doesn't have the greatest track record. Many "traditional" Wiccan covens are nothing more than cults that promote ***** and other icky practices. There's been many cases were the High Priest of a coven makes the younger members do things in order to be accepted.
That's why my mom didn't like Wicca. She was hearing about these coven cults and was honestly afraid that something would happen to me. Now, of course not all covens are like this, but maybe there was a really bad coven in your area who called themselves Wiccans?
Start off slowly woth Wicca. If you join a coven, join one that has people you can trust. Even if its not traditional Wicca, you may still find it to be good for you. Non-traditional Wiccan covens usually will admit younger members. Why? Because its dumb not to. No religion in its right mind will make younger folks wait until they are 18. They develop religious curriculem specifically for children and teens.

As for practicing Wicca, keep in mind that your mom can't stop you from praying or doing magik. Wiccan magik tends to rely on items (stones, herbs, candles, etc.) but the truth is that you don't need any of that stuff to effectively do magik. They just help you focus.

I wish you the best of luck! I despise being forced religion (or forced away from religion).
Wait... what? Why would any tradition of the Fertility Cult of the Lord and Lady of the Isles accept members under 18? Haven't you ever heard of the Great Rite? I mean, seriously. If they did admit minors, that'd be ***** right there. But there have been no cases of ***** associated with Wicca simply because they don't initiate minors.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:26 pm


Darin Rosewood
iolitefire
Your mom can say and do all she wants but in the end, your views are your own. She cannot forcibly change them no matter what she does. She can drag you to church everyday for the next year, but you may still be truly Wiccan.
My mom almost wanted to do that to me but I informed her of the information above and it finally clicked with her. She now thinks that this is a phase that I will grow out (its been 7-8 years now, lol).
Also keep in mind that your mom may be worried about you. Wicca doesn't have the greatest track record. Many "traditional" Wiccan covens are nothing more than cults that promote ***** and other icky practices. There's been many cases were the High Priest of a coven makes the younger members do things in order to be accepted.
That's why my mom didn't like Wicca. She was hearing about these coven cults and was honestly afraid that something would happen to me. Now, of course not all covens are like this, but maybe there was a really bad coven in your area who called themselves Wiccans?
Start off slowly woth Wicca. If you join a coven, join one that has people you can trust. Even if its not traditional Wicca, you may still find it to be good for you. Non-traditional Wiccan covens usually will admit younger members. Why? Because its dumb not to. No religion in its right mind will make younger folks wait until they are 18. They develop religious curriculem specifically for children and teens.

As for practicing Wicca, keep in mind that your mom can't stop you from praying or doing magik. Wiccan magik tends to rely on items (stones, herbs, candles, etc.) but the truth is that you don't need any of that stuff to effectively do magik. They just help you focus.

I wish you the best of luck! I despise being forced religion (or forced away from religion).
Wait... what? Why would any tradition of the Fertility Cult of the Lord and Lady of the Isles accept members under 18? Haven't you ever heard of the Great Rite? I mean, seriously. If they did admit minors, that'd be ***** right there. But there have been no cases of ***** associated with Wicca simply because they don't initiate minors.

Wait, everyone has to screw for God(ess)?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:12 pm


Just tell her it's Christian Mysticism. You do magic and other stuff, you're just doing it with the help of the Christian God, angels, saints, etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:21 pm


Legally, your mother can decide exactly what you do, what religion you practice, etc etc, and so forth until your of legal age and out of her house and financial clutches. However, physically, she cannot choose what you think is your spiritual path, how you use your dreams, and whether or not you meditate in bed right before you fall asleep. Thats something only you can control. So therefore, you may want to try magicks that are easier to conceal than "Wicca" for early practice. Looking up basic energy practices and symbol magick is your best bet.
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