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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:03 am


There were so many questions needed to be answered from the episode Zuko Alone. Hopefully they will be answered in Book 3. Unfortunately, Book 3 is taking so freaking long - I thought it would come out at January but it didn't. Now people saying that it would come out at March, April, May, even September. Dx

But anyway back to Zuko's past...
Perhaps this has been discussed before, but guilds don't have search engines. xp

How the heck did Ozai get the throne when former Fire Lord Azulon firmly commanded that Iroh, who is first born, will be next in line for the crown, even though Lu Ten died?

What happened to Princess Ursa, Zuko's and Azula's mother?

Okay, here's my first theory:

Remember how Fire Lord Azulon got so mad at Ozai and told him that he should kill first born son to see how it felt like when Iroh lost his son? And Azula saw it all. (You might as well watch the episode again.) She must've told Princess Ursa about it. So Ursa convinces either Ozai or Azulon to sacrifice her instead of Zuko. Afterwards, Ozai felt bitterness for the loss of his wife then killed Azulon because he wanted to take out his anger on him. Then falsely declared that his father wanted him to be the next Fire Lord instead of Iroh.
Fire Lord Azulon died before Ursa disappeared. That throws my theory out the window.

Second theory:

Azula is such a daddy's little girl that what's stopping her to follow in Ozai's footsteps? Maybe she might betray Zuko in Book 3. Afterall, "Azula always lies." She could have been plotting to steal the throne from Zuko and/or Iroh and become Fire Lady the whole time... if that's possible, I guess.

If you've read everything, I'm so proud of you. Would you like to comment or debate about my theories? Let's, please, refrain from debating about the release of Book 3. We argue about that everywhere.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:33 am


i think it was ursa who killed azulon and ozai just lied about azulon's last wishes so he could have the throne. the most likely scenario that i've heard is, regardless of what azulon told ozai, azula told zuko he was gonna die. ursa overheard and figured the only way she could protect zuko was to eliminate the person who gave the order - azulon.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:43 am


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i think it was ursa who killed azulon and ozai just lied about azulon's last wishes so he could have the throne. the most likely scenario that i've heard is, regardless of what azulon told ozai, azula told zuko he was gonna die. ursa overheard and figured the only way she could protect zuko was to eliminate the person who gave the order - azulon.
Hmm... I think I've heard this in a debate in Neopets (wow, Neopets have debates).

Ursa never struck me as a person who'd kill. But it's possible...
Then she flees the palace or perhaps the entire Fire Nation?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:58 am


I say that Ursa gave herself up for Zu-zu, because of that Ozai has spite toward his son.

And people, please, get it through your heads Zuko was BANISHED as in he was forced to give up all rights as prince, why dont you see people going "ZOMG PRINCE!" *bow*? It's because he was disowned by Ozai.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:10 pm


I think that Ozai killed his father and told everyone that he is the heir to the throne and that Ursa took Zuko's place. That could be why Ozai practally hates Zuko.

Zuko wasn't banished until he spoke up against his father's wishes, but he is still a prince Well, at least in the first season). In the first season, his crew still called him prince. The reason why people aren't bowing to him is because a: he's not in the fire nation b: Everyone besides the Fire Nation hates him and his family, so why would they bow?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:52 pm


either way he was still disowned by his father meaning Azula is next in line

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:05 pm


Azula might be in line now.. but I'm not so sure that Ozai wouldn't take Zuko back. thats why zuko wanted to catch aang so bad and why azula wants to aswell, because if she gets the avatar, then zuko can't come back..... she will betray him, she is the type to only care about herself... all that stuff about how zuko earned his honor back.. is just crap and she knows it....
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:48 pm


I think Ursa did give her self to the sacrifice to save her son because she loves him so dearly she could never bear the the weight of the loss of a son and she knows it so she sacrifice herself instead.....actually i like the first theory the author has written. she clearly state it all what i was trying to say.... xp 4laugh ninja

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:55 pm


I agree, the author of this thread wrote a very extravagant and orgasmic theory.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:29 pm


My theory is Azulon was angry at Ozai for him demanding to be named Fire Lord ahead of Iroh. As punishment, Azulon sent assassians/soldiers/fuzzy-bunnies-with-sharp-pointed-teeth to kill Zuko so Ozai could feel the same pain of losing his first born son like Iroh. Ursa must have knew what Azulon meant when he first said this. To save Zuko, she offered herself instead and was killed.
The moment Ozai heard what happened, he went to kill Azulon and did so.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:52 am


Thanks for the compliments you guys. x3 heart

And I do not believe Zuko was disowned. He was still called "Prince Zuko" by several Fire Nation soldiers. Ozai may have hinted that he wants Azula next in line but old monarchy laws clearly says that the closest living male relative should be next in line for the throne. Therefore, Zuko HAS to be next in line for the throne.

Ozai didn't publicly declare that he disowned Zuko. Otherwise, why was he still called "Prince"?

Many call it "banished" since he can't come back home. He was sent on a quest to find/capture the Avatar and may not return until he does. Maybe Ozai does want Zuko away from home. But why not just proclaim the disowning to everybody to make it official?

Possibly for plot reasons. confused The whole story would change if Ozai truly abandoned Zuko and he would wander around with no hope possibly commit suicide NOT trying to capture the Avatar. The whole first season would go *poof*. D:

I guess he did declare it in a way in season 2. When he ordered the capture of Zuko and Iroh.

Oh and, people under them HAVE to bow whether they like the royal family or not. It's a rule. Why do you think people still bow down to Azula? D: They'll get punished when they don't give the honor due to them. Zuko barely had any honor so they don't bow to him. Just to clear that up for those like me who might get confused later on. o_o;;


@Mage Negi: Close enough. xD;
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:03 am


*edits first post*

Ursa killing Azulon might be right. I still can't see Ursa as a killer-type of person though. She seems too nice. sad

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:06 am


as i've said before the best proven theory is that azulon told ozai that suko had to be killed and azula heard that then told ursa now ursa killed azulon to prevent this from happening *remember the part in the duck lake when she said something about mothers protecting their sons, and also when she came into the room (ozai already dead) she said 'all i have done i have done for you' then disapeared* so she probably killed him, ozai saw this as a perfect time to take the throne, and ursa just fled the fire nation and will come back in the future episodes
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:44 pm


Conspiracy theory!! Gotta love those. This is speculation loosely veiled by trying to disprove your theory.

I agree, I think Azula will take the throne from Ozai. He won't die peacefully, Azula will kick him out of the way and become Fire Lady herself without waiting for him to die.

Azula just doesn't seem the kind to wait. She's going to have to throw Zuko off the boat soon, or he may be able to win back support for his own claim. Her actions were somewhat confusing, though. It would be easier to say 'Look, daddy, he really is a traitor, can I be your heir now, please?' unless she's dragging him to the fire nation just to turn him in.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:18 pm


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Ursa killing Azulon might be right. I still can't see Ursa as a killer-type of person though. She seems too nice.


I'm not usually the speculation type, but this has been brought up a LOT, not just on this guild, but everywhere.

But, one thing I'd like to point out is that in 'Zuko Alone', when Ursa was saying her goodbyes to Zuko, she was very fidgety, seeing that after she had hugged him she was looking over her shoulder after hearing someone walking down the hall.

It was like she was expecting someone to be coming soon...or possibly someone to find Azulon dead, perhaps wink

Meh, I just thought I'd point that out sweatdrop
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