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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:37 pm
Dimensions, Multiverse, Planes of Existence, believe in them? What are your thoughts on them? Pretty much everyone on this guild has heard of the Astral Plane; do you believe in it, or other planes? What purpose do they serve in your mind? Discuss everything beyond our Universe here.
I believe that there is a multitude of alternate dimensions out there infinite in number; where everything we can conceive of exists--and everything we can't conceive of as well. More of an idea I play with than a belief, really.
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:58 pm
My opinion is that there are countless numbers of "alternates." They are constantly created and destroyed... expanding and contracting. For those who know L.E. Modessit Jr., think of it as "wild order."
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:14 pm
It's rather difficult not to believe in dimensions, if you are a living being. I'm pretty sure all scientist agree that there are at least 4 dimensions. Many believe there are more. Honestly, I don't even know what I believe, in regards to that kind of thing. I have ideas, but many of them I don't believe.
And actually, I just had a nice long conversation about this with a friend of mine. I would post it in here, but his brain processes are...disconnected, and he jumps from one thing to another. In short, he's hard to understand. But he thinks that we exist as bridges between two universes, and that "no object, thought, or thing can be accurately perceived at its time of absolute existence, as it would have to exist simultaneously in two locations. Thusly, we can say that anything you can understand, does not, at that time, exist as you think it does; and anything that exists, you cannot understand accurately." It's an interesting theory, albeit a bit hard to believe in. Even he dosen't believe it. It's just a thought.
Oh, and for all you String Theorists out there, I just read an article in a science magazine about how close they are to disproving it. It makes me sad, even though I'm not a die-hard advocate.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:01 am
DrasBrisingr It's rather difficult not to believe in dimensions, if you are a living being. I'm pretty sure all scientist agree that there are at least 4 dimensions. Many believe there are more. Honestly, I don't even know what I believe, in regards to that kind of thing. I have ideas, but many of them I don't believe. And actually, I just had a nice long conversation about this with a friend of mine. I would post it in here, but his brain processes are...disconnected, and he jumps from one thing to another. In short, he's hard to understand. But he thinks that we exist as bridges between two universes, and that "no object, thought, or thing can be accurately perceived at its time of absolute existence, as it would have to exist simultaneously in two locations. Thusly, we can say that anything you can understand, does not, at that time, exist as you think it does; and anything that exists, you cannot understand accurately." It's an interesting theory, albeit a bit hard to believe in. Even he dosen't believe it. It's just a thought. Oh, and for all you String Theorists out there, I just read an article in a science magazine about how close they are to disproving it. It makes me sad, even though I'm not a die-hard advocate. I like old fashioned dimensionless point quantum physics better, myself.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:38 am
Of course I believe in them. Getting there, well.... try dying, maybe? xd
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:51 am
Blind Guardian the 2nd Of course I believe in them. Getting there, well.... try dying, maybe? xd Good old miracles work too.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:03 am
I'm with Josh. We are where we are, and we can go anywhere.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:26 am
Ditto. Gotta love quantum.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:38 am
Mmm. Physics. But yeah. I do believe in different dimensions functioning under different laws of existence. Why not? It's not like there is something sacrosanct about the current order of things.
Think about it. The law of causality, that effect follows cause, is taken for granted in our workings, despite no observations of it ever happening, nor am I aware of any plans to. The law itself pertains to nothing, only objects make it relevant. Imagine, that in a one inch space, for one second (which would have no meaning for this, but for the sake of arguement say a second) the law of causality would be suspended, so to speak, and things would spring without cause and cause might move without effect to follow. Could you predict might come of that. That space might become a black hole, disappear forever, destroy the earth, or create the universe. Beyond anything is possible. Other possibilities? I consider them certainties, both of this world, other worlds, and every possible world and more.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:26 am
Subrosian I believe that there is a multitude of alternate dimensions out there infinite in number; where everything we can conceive of exists--and everything we can't conceive of as well. Welcome to my world, dude. It sure shines completely different lights on things when you look at reality this way.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:41 pm
I came up for a mathematically metaphor for alternate realms in math class. it was lxl= -x i think. or something like that.
basically the l l means the absolute value of a number, or its distance from zero on a number line, so they're never, ever supposed to be negative.
so i just thought that if it WAS negative, it would sort of exist in the same place but no, co-exist sort of...
if any of that makes any sense to any one. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:29 am
[[blunt.object]] I came up for a mathematically metaphor for alternate realms in math class. it was lxl= -x i think. or something like that. basically the l l means the absolute value of a number, or its distance from zero on a number line, so they're never, ever supposed to be negative. so i just thought that if it WAS negative, it would sort of exist in the same place but no, co-exist sort of... if any of that makes any sense to any one. sweatdrop Maths has never made any sense to me. Because, the way I see it, theoretical maths is trying to prove something by talking about nothing. Numbers are a construct. Without something to match the numbers, it's worthless. And with theoretical maths, you cannot be certain something matches your numbers.
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:49 pm
[[blunt.object]] I came up for a mathematically metaphor for alternate realms in math class. it was lxl= -x i think. or something like that. basically the l l means the absolute value of a number, or its distance from zero on a number line, so they're never, ever supposed to be negative. so i just thought that if it WAS negative, it would sort of exist in the same place but no, co-exist sort of... if any of that makes any sense to any one. sweatdrop I don't think a negative absolute value has any meaning. I don't think they are positive so much that it does not matter wether they are positive or negative or not. But I have done stuff like that. I tried to think about the nature of infinity, so I made up some calculations on it. And I stumped a math doctor in my physics class asking about the nature of infinity, so I thought that was cool.
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:50 pm
To Blunt Object: Math is a language for our understanding of the universe. Just don't confuse a language with the truth it is trying to convey.
As for the idea of a negative...there is no reason why it should be negative, unless you were talking about points on a graph, in which case that's trigonometry or geometry and not algebra or calculus, in which Absolute Value are held. Of course, I could be wrong, since I'm learning disabled in math, but I think I'm right.
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