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What are your sources? The only "Great Flood" that I've ever leaned about was during the pliestocene era when most of the western hemisphere was under water. But as the continents drifted and mountians rose, sea level dropped.

Also there are no personal accounts from the so called survivors of the "Great Flood". All accounts are based on myth and the discovery of aquatic fossils at high altitudes which led people who believed that the earth did not change to conclude that there was a flood.

Analysis of the validity of ancient texts is the job of historians. Speculation won't help.

I have learned from TV documentaries that some archaelogists believe that the flooding of the Black Sea was the 'Great Flood', but I don't trust either them or my own memory to say that with any confidence.

First, unholy ******** s**t (s**t is not holy and I will never say it is) how dense can you be Bob? There was no possibly way for humans and dinosaurs to exist at the same time, in fact that has been disproven many times. And don't even think of bringing in the human and dinosaur footprint idea. One last thing, for all the different types of dinosaurs on the ark it would have sunk. Was only apparently 4000 whatever is used to describe boats and it was made of wood. Some dinos spent their entire life in water because they were too heavy for land, hitting at least a ton. A wooden ark would have sunk. Physics, math, and other sciences my friend.

Now on to floods. Every religion does have a flood myth. And the Christain one is the most recent. In fact, they stole the idea of a flood myth from the Mesopatonian region, an area that not only experience floods, but great floods that would come at unpredictable times. A flood myth in most religions is coming from the idea that nature is unpredictable, so when a flood takes over it is a "GREAT" flood to that religion.

There's images of it all over the anchient world sordid in myths and such.

Stupid fricking Gaia I spent two hours working with this thing and then it ATE it. So this will be much later than it should have been.

Being able to type a bunch of pretty words does not prove that you are capable of "owning" someone. There has to actually be a realitively good acknowledgement of both sides combined with vaild, PROVABLE points to show the complete and total understanding of a topic.

Let's say the arc was that side and that for arguement's sake dinosaurs were alive at the same time as humans (*shudders at the thought*). And to let you know how I will go about my arguement I will even list my points and then hit them in the order that they are listed.

1. Space.
2. Food and proper storage.
3. Dinos
4. The type of material used to make the arc.

1. Space

Alright, so the cages for the animals were not able to excede less than 2 feet by less than two feet by one foot. Wow. Dog heights range from 7 inches to 34 inches (source Atlas of Dog Breeds of the World by Bonnie Wilcox). Many of the dogs then would be ouside of the top of the cage. Horses (information throughout this comes both from my Introduction to Equine Science course at Truman State University and The Ultimate Horse Book and I will get back to the authour because I did not bring it up to college with me), average size is about 16 hands. One hand is four inches therfore a horse would be 64 inches tall. However, the height only goes up to the shoulder, the neck and head adds on about another 8-10 inches. In fact the size of a stall minimum for a horse is 12 feet by 12 feet by 10 feet or 1440 cubic feed (so for two that 24 feet by 24 feet by 20 feet or 6912 cubic feet). Inches would then be 2488320 cubic inches for one horse and 11943936 cubic inches for two. If 16,000 animals only occupied the amount of space you alloted that is 76800000. Now subract the actuall size a horse requires to actuall move around, lay down, funtion in a semi-natural life and you are left with 64856064 for 15,998 animals allowing each animal only 4054 cubic inches or 337 cubic feet. Cow stalls are about the same size as an horse stall and then for those of the same family of both bovine and equus you would expect the same result. And with equus they have 5 other relatives. So lets add in now for the 10 other equus and two cows. That's 83607552. And now for 15,986 animals we have negative 6807552 cubic inches remaining. We have now wiped off 7993 species of animals. But I'm still not done. We have elephants, hippopotomuses, giraffes, lions, tigers, bears, panthers, cougars, domesticated cats, rabbits, otters, seals, peigins, all those differnet birds, chimpanzes, lemurs, gorrilas, apes, monkeys, snakes, turtles, tortousies, aligators, crocodiles, and many other animals most of which will require larger cages as well.

2. Food, weight, and storage (and water for that matter)

Gonna start with the carnies. They require meat. They would not be called CARNIVORIES otherwise. Now I doubt that Noah had a very good way to preserve the amount to meat required to keep these animals feed, especially if they were feed twice a day, common practice for long trips. And if they didn't have access to food they would not have lasted the forty days. Also if the oceans flooded, the only available outside water would have been salt water. So unless Noah had millions and millions of buckets outside the arc colleting the rain falling from the sky, they would have ended up with no water supply. And creatures (expect those like camels) can only last about seven days without water. But I got off my carnies. Without a way to preserve food (and since there was no breeding going on among the animals as the Bible story states) more than two animals per species would have to be brought onto the boat. The carnies would require the meat that they survive on. And in this case the meat would have to be already living. Now I'm going to stick with what I know herborviore wise and that will be horses. A horse can go through about a fifty lb bag of grain in about 40-50 days. So for two horses that would be 100 lbs. And it would also need to be kept in a containor in which a loose rat or mouse or opposum can get into. Hay wise, a horse is supposed to eat two servings of 1% of their body weight per day. If the horse weighs 1000 lbs, a very low number on the weight of the averavge horse, that would be 20 lbs a day per horse or 40 lbs a day for the two. Over the 40 days that is 800 lbs of hay. One 6 in by 6 in by 12 in (432 cubic inches) hay bale weighs 50 lbs. You would need to have 16 bales which would be 6912 cubic inches, more than what one animal has for it's cage space.

3. Dinosaurs

As I stated earlier some dinos (water dwelling but non swimmers so they would need to be on the arc, water levels would cover their heads and drowned them) can weigh a ton, or 2000 lbs. That would be 4000 lbs just for that one type of dino. And there were more. Most of them were actually larger than horses therfore requiring an even larger cage. And some of the dino carnies would probably have to be kept in their own special compartment. A cage would not hold little ones that would be able to slip through bars. The spitting dino would still be able to blind creatures with it's ink. Even some herbies would be a danger, like the stegasaurous, if it was anger or scared it could wipe someone or something out with the spikes on its tail, much like the triceratops horns. That's really all I have to say about the dinosaur issue.

4. Wood

If I remember correctly the wood used on the arc came from cypress trees, so I'll base my information off of that. If wrong correct me and I will then go and find more acurate information. But only if you provide me with the wood that was used. Now if only I could find something that listed the proporties of cypress wood. Which does not seem to exist, I'll keep looking and then get back and make a new post when I get the proper information. Okay so it is resitant to rot, allowing it to possible succeed in the harsh watery conditions that were planted on it for being in a flood. If you weren't resistant to rot, defiently would not end up surviving very long... not at all. However, weight would still be an issue. Ten to one (I'm leaving open the slim possiblilty that this would not happen) the weight of the animals, the cages, and the food, combined with the changing pressure that supposably killed the dinosaurs, the boat would more than likely crack under the stress and end up coming apart, especially closer to the end of the trip when even the rot resistant wood would have a great susceptibility to rotting, especially in salt water.

Now Kakusareta, I must inform you that two simple Bible quotes from the same book of the Bible and not even that far apart is not really a good showing of evidence, nor a range of references. Just an FYI.

I have a question: would including each of the animals also include insects? Because not all insects are flying insects- and, even if the flying insects were included, there's no way they could fly for that amount of time.

And how did all the plant life spring back to life after 14 days and nights of flood? It would all be dead. New plant life would have to evolve from... err... I mean GOD would have to create new plant life on earth. Did he create new insects too?

Assuming that Noah had to include each species of animal, including insects (there are millions of different species of insects), the weight would be astronomical (especially including those other 7 animals the person above me wrote about.)

There is no ship in existance today that would be capable of carrying that amount of weight.

Back then, they did NOT have the same type of technology. Of couse, creationism solves this pesky logic. You can just say that God fixed everything. Never mind that it didn't work.

What IS possible is that there WAS some sort of SMALL flood. Some guy had built a ship, and when the flooding started to get really bad, he brought his wife and kids aboard, along with a BUNCH of animals- because that was most likely their entire livleyhood (at least the moveable part of it.) Then, while it rained, they sailed around- until the flooding went down and they found a new spot of land, probably on the same continent, which hitherto had been unpopulated. A bunch of incest later, voila, a new nation! And of course, God had granted them mercy by steering the boat to safety.

I've always been under the impression that the "Great Flood" was the one which created the mediteranian sea. It probably wiped out a good many small towns and villages. It would be no wonder the the people of the time would remember and make a myth in order to explain it.