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Well, let us start with this:

The majority of the world has an almost uncontrollable belief in God, The Bible, and Christianity, yes ?
Well, let us try to figure this out from the very beginning...

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- According to The Bible, God was there to see that everything was darkness, and there was nothingness. So, God decides to create light and the universe.

- According to the Big Bang Theory, matter and energy was stored in such a compacted space over such much time that it exploded out everything that it wad holding, and such things were made like Hydrogen gas and other elements in a matter of seconds.

The Big Bang Theory makes more sense to me, but this is not what this whole topic is about... well not completely.

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So, anyway...

My question is where did God come from ? I mean He cannot just appear out of nowhere into nothingness and darkness like it is a daily chore. It just gives more confusion to what actually came first: the chicken or the egg ?

Also, with the Noah's Ark and the rainbow, this involves Science as well. God did not necessarily made the rainbow for a promise. Plus, how can you flood the earth ?! I really do not understand this at all ! With the rainbow, it appears because the white light is hitting something that makes it show the colors that it is holding; thus, the rainbow appears in the sky.

Just to throw it out there, I am Agnostic, and everything just does not make sense to me. I used to be a Christian because that was how I was raised, but now since I have my own ideas and study different topics on my own, my beliefs and opinions have drastically changed. This does not mean that I want or am Atheist; that is totally different. There is one religion that I believe, though: Buddhism... really because it is only that makes the most sense to me.

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Anyway...

Tell me your opinion on this is; your religion does not matter.
That will cause controversy... Just tell me what you think.

technically, the two arn't mutually exclusive, there's nothing that i can see that totally rules out the other. please feel free to educate me lol razz



poor example... reptiles also lay eggs and existed long before chickens.

if you're a believer of string theory (that i don't even pretend to understand), which allows for parallel/multiple universes, maybe god could have come from one of those? i don't think there's any statement that all universes had to begin at the same time.



well, many of the stories, including noah, were probably taken from older cultures, others appear to be fictionalisation of real events (particularly, i think joshua? who lead the jews from the desert, most of the cities he supposedly conquered didn't exist at the time that was supposed to have happened, except one city he was said to have burned, where evidence of burning turns up right on cue, and also the jews exodus from egypt, appears to be a mix of several real exodus' [the egyptians appear to chuck people out every now and again] plus a few fictional events for a bit of pzazz. back to noah for a second, the reasoning i had was that it was based on a merchant on his boat (i can't remember the culture, but i *think* this was supposed to happen on the tigris [in modern iraq]) who was washed out to sea on a freak tide. in any case, the whole world flooding was a mistranslation i *think* it was probably a large part of the holy land (the known world) that was supposed to have flooded, but i think the river theory is more plausible.

I am also agnostic, but i can't see myself converting to any religion. although i was raised christian, i don't think i ever really believed in god, or if i did, it was in the same way that i believed in father christmas and just like that, i kinda grew out of it.

Basically, what he said sweatdrop

okey dokey. I am a slightly backslidden Christian. However, I'm going to try and answer your questions to the best of my abilities ^^;

God Has always been apparently. I mean, the big bang theory is plausible, but, you have to know, what set it off? or what pulled the trigger (as monica said)

and silly! ^-^ if you want to be an evolutionist, you say the egg came first. if you're a creationist you say the chicken! because evolution says that a chicken is a mutant form an original animal (which most species laid eggs at the time) but if you believe in God, you say chicken! because God made a chicken to take care of the eggs it would create! ^_^

Also, if the ice caps melt, you flood the earth! o.O the sea is apparently rising every year a very small percentage, so it is entirely probable that the earth has been flooded before

still, I don't think religion is a mockery of science. heck, if you want to know the truth, religion used to HATE science with a passion. Religion explains the Why. Science explains the How. It's a hand-in-hand type of thing that coincides very well together in my opinion.

So maybe that helps? alittle?

I have a few opinions about this. As far as how or when or why God is there, i cant explain, and it is a totally arguable statement. But then how did the gasses and particles and everything from the big bang theory get there? It couldnt have just been there, just like the argument about god. And if you say the particles or whatever was just there, then why couldnt god just have been there? Its kinda a mind bogler eek

Actually... there was something. Water, and God' Spirit was floating over water.
Water in this case, represents chaos, before God put the order in the universe...so you see, it's really not that far with the big-bang theory




The idea of God was created by men. And that's indisputable. Now, if God really exists or not, it depends of your own belief.

EDIT: You must understand that the bible was written like 1950 years ago, so the men who wrote it didn't know about the universe, nor hygiene, and they thought that the world was flat. The Bible is not a book of facts, it's a book about faith.

Ok...just one thing. Faith must go with reason. You cannot have faith separated from it, it would be fanatism and obsession.




Good Science is..mmm.. "Agnostic". Good Science cannot proof that God exists, nor can prove that it doesn't




Ok, you must separate Science with religion here. God is a trascendent being, wich means that he cannot relate directly with a matter world, If God was the initial force that allowed the big-bang to happen, then that's your belief, making that part of your faith, must come with reason.

I wasn't saying Faith without reason I was saying no matter what you believe there are elements of faith there. It's just human nature very few people know enough to have a complete understanding of every single fact.

I agree with you it's very dangerous to divorce Faith and Reason but no matter how dedicated someone claims to be reason there is allways some element of Faith there.



Resonable Science is Test Everything without preconcieved notions. Unfortuantely propenets on both sides of the Debate tend to let thier own beliefs Color thier findings.




I'm well aware of that. I was merely answering the opening posters question. No scientific knowledge acquired thus far in human existance can definitively answer the question of where we came from.

And once again I agree with you. People should have reasons for what they believe other than just the Preacher,Rabbi,Imam,Guru,etc told them to.

I'm a strong proponet of people asking questions and doing thier own research into thier faith.