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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:40 pm
I just wanted to express my general frustration with things. Basically, here's my belief.
Nothing should be censored. If an idea is so powerful that it's mere existance will destroy us, well, then we are screwed, no matter how valiantly defenders try to keep us from learning it. If an idea is more powerful than people, then, sooner or later the people will learn it, and then we will all be destroyed. It's that simple for me. If we have no hope, why delay the inevitable? Especially when these valiant defenders are the only ones with the judgement to say if it is dangerous or not, they being the only ones who know it and all. I really believe no idea is dangerous. Only the people who hold them are.
In summary: The solution to knowledge is not ignorance; it is wisdom.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:02 pm
Censorship does have its purposes, but in general I agree with you.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:09 pm
I agree. If we were dealing with hyperactive 7-year-olds, it'd be a slightly different story. But I'm hoping we're all at least semi-intelligent young adults, and rational enough to know that putting your hands on a hot stove will most likely result in rather nasty burns.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:26 pm
nice 3nodding
that's kinda what I've been trying to say about sex-magick... that... there are idiots who will use it to spread STDs and use it for the wrong reasons.. and then there will be that married couple who use it to make their lives better... sweatdrop
Give not that which is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before the swine, lest they trample them with their feet, and turning round rend you. Matthew 7:6
that is one of the VERY FEW biblical quotes I will EVER use... I'm not comepletely against christian beleifs and the bible, but I'm not all for it either confused
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:04 pm
Quite. If knowledge was meant to be limited from the mind of humanity, it would be incapable of understanding the idea.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:35 pm
I have to agree with the whole censorshop thing. I have no desire to come off as being mean here, but if we start censoring information for the "greater good", we become no better than Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. In both scenarios, the governments COMPLETELY controlled the media for the "greater good".
Like Dras said, we should all be mature enough to realize to realize that we'll get burned if we play near an oven. Having said that, I think that there should be a certain degree of "advised viewer discretion" here in the Guild. That's to say that you may read of things here, but that doesn't mean that you should do it just because you've read about it here..and if you have done it even though you've read about it and KNOW that it's dangerous..well..Congrats, you'll probably get a Darwin award someday. neutral
I'm sorry for sounding like a total b***h in this post..it's not like me at all. I blame it on the fact that I'm currently feeling quite tired and such..so..yeah.. >.<
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:33 pm
*totally imagines someone getting a Darwin award for blowing themselves up with an uber-powerful magic circle.*
"But sir! I got it off the internet! I never thought it'd actually WORK."
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:36 pm
Pageantry I have to agree with the whole censorshop thing. I have no desire to come off as being mean here, but if we start censoring information for the "greater good", we become no better than Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. In both scenarios, the governments COMPLETELY controlled the media for the "greater good". Like Dras said, we should all be mature enough to realize to realize that we'll get burned if we play near an oven. Having said that, I think that there should be a certain degree of "advised viewer discretion" here in the Guild. That's to say that you may read of things here, but that doesn't mean that you should do it just because you've read about it here..and if you have done it even though you've read about it and KNOW that it's dangerous..well..Congrats, you'll probably get a Darwin award someday. neutral I'm sorry for sounding like a total b***h in this post..it's not like me at all. I blame it on the fact that I'm currently feeling quite tired and such..so..yeah.. >.< in the past I've done stuff just because it's dangerous... and my ex-teacher kyle had his body filled with demon things or something and got his hair lit on fire... aaand.. Brittney has..ugh... she's tried talking to lucipher stare ... some other people I know have summoned demons... my old friend took one of her dad's book and accidentally summoned a demon that's like always with her in her house... I can list a hand full of people who've done stupid things because the information was there infront of them and they didn't beleive the precautions or didn't know the precautions... not to argue with you.. but... I've seen stupid people, and I've known stupid people, and I can be a stupid people, I'm not going to say everyone else is stupid, but.. there are other stupid people, whether we're smart or not, we can't judge everyone else to be worthy or not of the information, I think we should keep it for ourselves and give it to people we feel to be smart... I woulden't teach my "how to get inside the mind of someone over the internet" mental trick to someone who goes "OH EM JEE1!!1! I R teH WicHNeZZ!1! LOLZ! I w1ll pat uh speell on joo!1!" however someone literate like ms. Yagi, Ambrose, or Josh, or uhh... that one other litterate chick/dude I'd be more than willing to teach them.. but someone who can't use proper typing most of the time, or proper grammer, I woulden't think of it. neutral
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:37 pm
noblelyon *totally imagines someone getting a Darwin award for blowing themselves up with an uber-powerful magic circle.* "But sir! I got it off the internet! I never thought it'd actually WORK." I really woulden't doubt that happening xd
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:10 am
I agree, and ideas aren't dangerous...ideas are bullet proof.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:03 pm
******** it if you guys want to kill yourselves do it. Anybody who saved the image repost it. Man you are all acting like babies when someone takes something from you.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:36 pm
The FLCL Guy Anybody who saved the image repost it. Man you are all acting like babies when someone takes something from you. We're just saying that you're not some kind of savior. You might think yourself to be an angel or whatever, I don't really know. But not only do some of us believe it, but some of us don't think you need to be "saving" us from anything. Anyway, I thought it was supposed to be completely harmless without the rest of that giant array? And wouldn't anyone who's intelligent and open enough to have some sort of epiphany over one of the symbols will understand that it's dangerous, and that it can "unmake the world" or whatever the hell you think/"know" it would do. I mean, Ambrose isn't about to go unmake the world with the array, and he had the epiphany first (or at least the first in this guild). And FLCL, I believe you're the one acting like a baby. Quit whining, honestly. Just because not all of us kiss your a** and polish your shoes dosen't mean you get to whine and b***h at us. I respect your points of view and ideas, as long as you don't go doing things that I don't think you should be doing, for the sake of everyone. Honestly, I don't think you realize half the s**t you say. But that's another discussion for another day that I've been meaning to have with you. We're not all against you. It's not you against the world. We'd agree with you (or at least respect you more) if you weren't so "I'm God, you're not. ******** you."
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:17 pm
The FLCL Guy Anybody who saved the image repost it. Man you are all acting like babies when someone takes something from you.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:25 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:49 am
Ouch. A thread in response to the censorship of my thread ^^ A personal attack. Whatever shall I do?
I'll let you all know that since the censorship of the thread I've received countless PMs regarding the censored symbols and every time I've been kind enough to show them the symbol. I feel that completely withholding knowledge is pointless, especially when something so trivial isn't actually the dangerous aspect.
Congratulations on posting the symbols, by the way. I won't attempt to complain to scream, as this is only proof that doing so would just raise another mob. And I won't beg that these be removed as they'll just be posted again. However I'd like you to know that in posting those you merely tried to immaturely go against what was advised.
You want the honest answer about that symbol? It's practically worthless to most people. You can stare at it, hold it, touch it, and use it in alchemy and nothing bad will happen. However to learn of its power is dangerous. Because that symbol has nearly infinite power to bend reality, that gives nearly infinite ways to destroy the world or bring suffering to the human race. I wished to have the symbol censored not to obnoxiously keep you from information- but to prevent people from learning how to use it. If one person in a million learns how the symbol works and how to use it just that one person could ruin countless lives. To this day I may be the only one here who fully understands its power and knows how to use it to its potential. As such- I strive never to use it. Since my first day discovering it (when I was excited and used it without thinking of consequences, only to have my life erode since) I've only used it once- and that was carefully planned to benefit the many at loss to the few (only me and my father were affected negatively by that which helped near a hundred).
So go ahead and stare at that symbol. Look at it until your mind's eye bleeds. And if one of you finally understands it and realizes its power and knows how it works and gains the ability to draw on it- know that you only screwed yourself over.
I didn't have it censored for fear of many people learning something evil. I had it censored for fear that one in a million would learn how to use that evil. Despite low odds, anything above 0 is risky.
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