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Le Aristocrat

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:00 am


Is it right?

I would say no. What gives us the right to take a species and implant genes in it for our gain? I know that there are results in the amount of food being grown etc, but have we gone too far when we start to control and mutate other species for our gain? Is this the ultimate form of wrong? Manipulating for our gain?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:38 pm


sooner or later we may have to use it to kill the human population alive, b/c we are over the limit nature intended

*Edit: keep, not kill

Stronghearted11


The_Wicked_Man

PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:53 pm


More and more, the world is resembling William Gibson novels. This makes me disturbed and amused at the same time.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:21 am


I agree with GM. Maybe not everything, such as manipulating genes to give certain people/things advantages over others. But I do agree with it.
And we have the right to because have the ability to, denying that is like denying our ability to write poems or build cities. Both of those have the power to change the world, maybe not on the scale the GM will but it still can.

Plus now that the technology has begun there's little we can do to stop it. There's far to much pontential profit to be made from it. Large corporations will place pressure on it to go ahead, and even laws against it will only be a stop gap measure of stopping it.

Althera


Le Aristocrat

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:05 am


Althera
I agree with GM. Maybe not everything, such as manipulating genes to give certain people/things advantages over others. But I do agree with it.
And we have the right to because have the ability to, denying that is like denying our ability to write poems or build cities. Both of those have the power to change the world, maybe not on the scale the GM will but it still can.

Plus now that the technology has begun there's little we can do to stop it. There's far to much pontential profit to be made from it. Large corporations will place pressure on it to go ahead, and even laws against it will only be a stop gap measure of stopping it.


So we have the right to do something, because we have the ability to? I have the ability to pick up a knife and kill someone. Does this ability give me the right to do it? Writing poems is not manipulating another animals genes for our benefit. Please don't attempt to make that comparison.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:44 pm


It's an interesting point, but the truth is that humans have been messing with other species for as long as we've been farming and using them.

Lets take cows for example. Cows were originally smaller then they are today. Breeding programs have caused the cow to get bigger and bigger, thus more meat and milk. This principle can be applied with horses as well. Horses that have certain characteristics that the the breeder wants to mix with another are bred secessively until a colt comes that has the best mixing. In this aspect humans are only speeding up the process with genetic engineering.

With plants

It seems like there is so much to gain from genetically engineering crops. By making plants less suseptable to disease you prevent a farmer from losing his whole crop and going bankrupt.

And on the environmental front you can produce more crops on less land, with less water per ton and use less pesticides that would otherwise poison ground-soil and pollute water.

The only thing that bothers me with using it more extensively on plants is the potential for a "Mutation" That could contaminate the entire supply.

And people...

For making stronger, smarter and longer living humans? No. Age exists to limit the population, and increasing the next generation's ability will drop this generation into the gutters. There is a limit to science.

But to cure diseases? I personally have a genetic disorder. My body will sometimes disperse calcium wrong, ending up in bone growths. One of these growths nearly severed a nerve in my leg. I had to have surgery on it, but because of that I will always walk with a limp and my leg will always hurt under stress for the rest of my life. Wouldn't it have been great if that could have been eliminated before i was born?

Medicine can only go so far on surgery and drugs. Many of these disorders are caused at a genetical level, the only way to cure them is to modify the genes themselves. And one day bacteria will outgrow modern anti-bodies. There is much risk in genetic modification, but so much to be gained as well.

Jorlwind


Masami Shiraishi

PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:52 pm


We just discussed this topic in a lecture about a week ago 3nodding

Basically my prof addressed 4 main issues:

- Ethical and moral - "scientists playing God"
- Political - "power of multinternational corporations"
- Human health - "will we get sick?"
- Environmental - "escapes will cause genetic pollution"

Pros:
- Improved yield
- Pest resistance
- Tolerance to biotic and abiotic stress
- Nutritional benefits
- Use of marginal land
- Reduced environmental impacts

Cons:
- GM corps can become invaders
- Transgenes can escape through hybridization with relatives
- GM crops can result in loss of biodiversity
PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:24 pm


Jorlwind
Medicine can only go so far on surgery and drugs. Many of these disorders are caused at a genetical level, the only way to cure them is to modify the genes themselves. And one day bacteria will outgrow modern anti-bodies. There is much risk in genetic modification, but so much to be gained as well.
Lots to gain. Lots to lose.

Let's use plastic surgery as an example. Say you have a rib that sticks out on one side. You want to get it fixed. You get plastic surgery. You look in the mirror, you're very satisfied. The next day you wake up, and don't like the shape of your nose, you get it fixed. Next day, don't like your ears that stick out. You get them fixed. Then you don't like your eye color. You get it changed. Hell, you might wake up one morning and you're named Micheal Jackson.

The point is, when you find a way to change something, you get excited about it. That power is very addictive. Some people abuse that power.

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Jorlwind

PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:19 pm


[XxGuardianDevilxX]
Jorlwind
Medicine can only go so far on surgery and drugs. Many of these disorders are caused at a genetical level, the only way to cure them is to modify the genes themselves. And one day bacteria will outgrow modern anti-bodies. There is much risk in genetic modification, but so much to be gained as well.
Lots to gain. Lots to lose.

Let's use plastic surgery as an example. Say you have a rib that sticks out on one side. You want to get it fixed. You get plastic surgery. You look in the mirror, you're very satisfied. The next day you wake up, and don't like the shape of your nose, you get it fixed. Next day, don't like your ears that stick out. You get them fixed. Then you don't like your eye color. You get it changed. Hell, you might wake up one morning and you're named Micheal Jackson.

The point is, when you find a way to change something, you get excited about it. That power is very addictive. Some people abuse that power.


I did say there were risks remember? Human nature is always a risk.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:43 am


Jorlwind


And one day bacteria will outgrow modern anti-bodies.


and when that day comes, modern anti bodies will become futuristic antibodies

evolution is a door that swings both ways. either way i doubt bacteria have enough time to evolve to beat our antibodies... cause evolving takes a pret-ty long time... and our sun can't wait that long... i think sweatdrop

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Tipsy Tycoon


[XxGuardianDevilxX]

PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:39 pm


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Jorlwind


And one day bacteria will outgrow modern anti-bodies.


and when that day comes, modern anti bodies will become futuristic antibodies

evolution is a door that swings both ways. either way i doubt bacteria have enough time to evolve to beat our antibodies... cause evolving takes a pret-ty long time... and our sun can't wait that long... i think sweatdrop
If we can evolve, so can they. They multiply pretty fast. The number of bacteria in a jar doubles every 20 minutes surprised
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:06 pm


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Jorlwind


And one day bacteria will outgrow modern anti-bodies.


and when that day comes, modern anti bodies will become futuristic antibodies

evolution is a door that swings both ways. either way i doubt bacteria have enough time to evolve to beat our antibodies... cause evolving takes a pret-ty long time... and our sun can't wait that long... i think sweatdrop
If we can evolve, so can they. They multiply pretty fast. The number of bacteria in a jar doubles every 20 minutes surprised


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first of all.. i said if they can evolve, so can we... so yeah.. *the other way around* not that it is important.. lol..

remember that when i say we can evolve.. it happens slowly.. and woefully.. our whole body is evolving right now... it is called mutating if it isn't helpful.. yeah.. so.. our anti bodies are getting produced aren' t they? not as swiftly as bacteria... but it can catch up confused

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Tipsy Tycoon


[XxGuardianDevilxX]

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:50 pm


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Jorlwind


And one day bacteria will outgrow modern anti-bodies.


and when that day comes, modern anti bodies will become futuristic antibodies

evolution is a door that swings both ways. either way i doubt bacteria have enough time to evolve to beat our antibodies... cause evolving takes a pret-ty long time... and our sun can't wait that long... i think sweatdrop
If we can evolve, so can they. They multiply pretty fast. The number of bacteria in a jar doubles every 20 minutes surprised


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first of all.. i said if they can evolve, so can we... so yeah.. *the other way around* not that it is important.. lol..

remember that when i say we can evolve.. it happens slowly.. and woefully.. our whole body is evolving right now... it is called mutating if it isn't helpful.. yeah.. so.. our anti bodies are getting produced aren' t they? not as swiftly as bacteria... but it can catch up confused
Hopefully they can catch up. GO T-CELLS AND B-CELLS GO domokun
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:26 pm


In responce to the talk about the right to do things.

Everyone has a right to do anything, if its do-able we have THE right to do it, that does not mean it is in the right by doing it. Our free will gives us the right to do what we want, if that means launching nukes all over the world, raping a 12 year old girl or implanting a monkey gene in a human child it doesnt make a difference, the difference is who is there to stop those crazy enough to want to do the things that arent in the right, and right now we are lacking heroes.

The way I see it, and harsh as it may be, is that if humans want to go around and possibly destroy their world, its their choice, so long as I am dead and gone before it happens I dont care [to] much; this may change if I end up having loved ones, children especially.

Blood`Eternity
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:38 pm


Blood`Eternity
In responce to the talk about the right to do things.

Everyone has a right to do anything, if its do-able we have THE right to do it, that does not mean it is in the right by doing it. Our free will gives us the right to do what we want, if that means launching nukes all over the world, raping a 12 year old girl or implanting a monkey gene in a human child it doesnt make a difference, the difference is who is there to stop those crazy enough to want to do the things that arent in the right, and right now we are lacking heroes.

The way I see it, and harsh as it may be, is that if humans want to go around and possibly destroy their world, its their choice, so long as I am dead and gone before it happens I dont care [to] much; this may change if I end up having loved ones, children especially.
Right, there's no right or wrong, there's just morals and values. Your's might differ from the next person. You have to stick up for what you believe in 3nodding .
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