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 Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:36 pm
http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=5546979I'm Lunaritina. I'm contesting his last post. My original smartassed comment holding the bulk of my issues is quoted below. Quote: Nice job instantly dropping the temperature locally to nearly absolute zero, which to my mind would be an ultimate-level technique for an ice mage, while still carrying out several other actions in the same post. Also, you sure were able to do an awful lot in the ~1 seconds you had there, judging by the fact that your post ends EARLIER chronologically than the post you responded to does and starts after the first sentence of YOUR last post. It's a real neat trick for your aura to feed off thrusters that, at that time in your post, hadn't yet been revealed or used. In addition to the abovementioned issues, I find it funny that a spike of ice which according to him was harder than steel could be instantly broken with no effort at all. I'd bring up the "superconductor temperature" bullshit, but I don't know much more about superconductors than he does save for the fact that I think he's wrong, and research is a lot more work than just saying "that doesn't apply to my fictional metal with special properties" and moving on. He also didn't even attempt to dodge my attack in the process of attacking again - at least, I think; based on the way he's describing his movement, I think he's twirling around in circles while stepping around Lunaritina (I'm not joking), and there's always the fact that he didn't factor his movements into his post at all, particularly when he fired the latest ice spike. As expected from an apprentice of Seta Frost. I kind of hoped the stupidity would be limited to just falling into that easy-as-hell trap and dying pitifully, though. (uncharacteristically enough, I did PM him a link to this thread so he can come and defend himself)
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:57 pm
Noticed he responded to me in the OOC thread shortly after I stopped paying attention. Let's take his points one at a time. Chrjo12 Technically, I did, what, two things, in that post. Focus all of my aura into that spike, and fire another spike. Rynn does not focus on dropping the temperature 24/7. It's subconcious most of the time, and when I do mention he focuses on dropping it, that means he's dropping it quickly. And what about breaking the spike, moving constantly throughout the post, feeding off the thrusters? That's more than two things right there. Quote: As for the why my post started where it did, you mentioned a glowing field that was apparently on at all times, then turned off for a moment, then turned back on. Well, Rynn sure as hell would have been able to see it as you neared him, and I'm sure as hell not going to go along with Rynn just taking a lethal hit because of something you never mentioned earlier. I'm not sure how you interpreted "the armor briefly glows" as "the armor was surrounded by a glowing field which was active for the entire fight". Quote: As for the thrusters, that goes back to the aura subconciously feeding. It doesn't even affect the thrusters that much. Not something to inhibit you, just to give Rynn energy, which is how he is able to drop the temperature that quick. Your thrusters will work with 99.1% efficiency. Chill. wink Yeah because I'm only complaining about this because you're leeching off my thrusters, and the whole "leeching on them practically before they're even used" and "using wussy little thrusters for infinite energy" had nothing to do with it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:18 pm
Ok, chill. There's no reason to get so angry, what with the pointless flaming. Alright, responses in order...
Ok, regarding the glowing, there is one misinterpretation on my part. I thought it was on at all times- I was wrong. Still, as you have posted, the armor glew once before it dimmed as the spike entered and returned to glowing. That means that Rynn is aware of it before his hand wraps around it, and can adapt his actions accordingly. That leads to my explanation of where my post started. (See Quote 2)
Regarding the 3rd quote, I already explained that the temperature drop is pretty much constant no matter where Rynn is. In example, your thrusters enter Rynn's area of effect and they are subject to the same heat energy transferal that all heat energy in the area is subject to. Also, this is not a source of infinite energy. The aura just drastically reduces the speed with which he would normally consume energy and fatigue. He will tire, but the battle has gone on for maybe 5 seconds, unless I'm mistaken.
Regarding your first smartass post in this thread and its contents,
1) the spike is harder than steel due to compacting. Decompact(if that's a word) it quickly, then it's way easier to shatter.
2) The "'Superconductor temperature' bullshit" exists. I know more than you about it. Think before you flame. If you want a f---ing paper about it, I'll produce it- written by me. (As in, the paper already exists)
3) You aimed a shot for my gut. Rynn is skinny- he turns his body sideways then begins stepping around you. Sorry if I didn't describe that too well. If you are crouching, your arm is frozen and crossing your chest, and all of your momentum by thrusters is commited forward, there's not really anything you can do to change direction quickly.
Any legitimate questions? Hopefully this time without flaming?
*edit
Since we're in here, is your character human?
If so, you've got a damned lot of explaining to do. Handling freezing temperatures, a spike through an arm, and your body locking up-like it should be right now- without so much as a flinch.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:22 pm
First thing's first:
Shaddup'a your faces. biggrin
exclaim We can assume a starting temperature of 20 degrees celcius for the arena. In three posts of actively trying to lower the temperature in the area immediately around him, he's gotten it to -10. A drop of 10 per post as an action, perfectly reasonable.
A subsequent drop of 40 on a single point the turn after as a part of an attack... also reasonable.
A drop of 200 from a touch... allow me to redirect that ice spike up your a**. smile
exclaim In regards to the electricity: The armor electrifies (apparently) the entire piece of armor, which suggests two things: 1) that it is a part of a larger circuit, and 2) that the exterior of the armor is insulated from the interior.
The results of driving a superconductor through this circuit and out the other side are entirely dependant upon any one of a number of factors. First of all... would it disrupt the circuit by doing so? Secondly, would it sever any wiring important to maintaining the circuit? Would it come into contact with anything that wasn't insulated (as wires are all individually sealed, but larger moving parts most likely aren't... however, larger moving parts won't be effected by electricity alone, and the charge would be required to ******** with circuitry which may or may not be insulated against anything that doesn't come in or out through an attached wire)?
IS there an arm inside, is another important question.
Whether or not the ice functions as a superconductor is dependant upon the purity of the water which makes up the ice. H2O is a polar molecule, and serves as a poor conductor. What really matters is that it serves as a medium for suspened materials (namely disolved electrolytes) which ARE incredible conductors. If Rynn is forming this ice from condensed moisture in the air, it's likely very pure. If he's drawing it out of himself... he's going to be dehydrated after just a few of those spikes.
...regardless, the results of ******** with the interior workings of a mecha are the jurisdiction of the mecha player.
exclaim Why are you two still fighting in close combat? Were there not ROCKETS FIRING just a second ago? Your entire first movement was based on momentum, while since then you've made like eight complex movements since then and that momentum was completely forgotten about.
Where's the part where Luna sails right past due to ROCKET BOOSTERS?
exclaim Someone please tell me how absorbing heat gives energy for cold magic? I can completely understand absorbing heat to create cold, but in no way would that: 1) create blasts of cold air, 2) cause ice to form, 3) inject cold into something.
exclaim You didn't notice by now? She's ******** MEGAMAN.
Now, are you two actually arguing something constructive to the fight (read: your next post hinges entirely upon getting this information), or is this just mutual complaining?
If the former, things have been clarified, so return to the fight.
If the latter, quitch'yer bitchin'.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:49 pm
@TMJ: Short story short, my post already detailed the effects of the ice spike. As for close combat, it was a brief burst from maneuvering thrusters to help her dodge an attack at about the same moment she stopped pretending to be human. And it was downwards. Her maneuvering system's more complicated than "OMG ROCKET BOOSTERS". Kawaii TMJ-kun Now, are you two actually arguing something constructive to the fight (read: your next post hinges entirely upon getting this information), or is this just mutual complaining? If the former, things have been clarified, so return to the fight. If the latter, quitch'yer bitchin'. Eh, I was confused about his movements. Even with the explanation it still seems stupidly retarded to the point where I have trouble visualizing it, but hell, it's his corpse and I've got two victories ready.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:56 pm
Slight disclaimer for what I'm about to do - you pushed Lunaritina's RIGHT arm which you caught in your LEFT hand toward HER right and YOUR left, while also breaking the base of the spike and giving it outward force away from you. This would not by any means pull her RIGHT arm ACROSS HER CHEST. As expected of an apprentice of Seta Frost. I'm going to make my post with that in mind; just telling you now why I'm completely ignoring your posted results of that particular move. Also posting under the assumption that TMJ invalidated the HUEG drop to superconductor temperatures.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:58 pm
I had to go through it point by point (read: except by except) in order to determine just which side Rynn was supposedly standing on.
However, the last line stands.
All this seemed to be was clarification, not "OMFG ARGUMENT". There's been clarification as far as I can see... there should be nothing left to be confused about. Thusly: it's your post.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:12 pm
Post's been made. Now hustling off to make my other necessary posts, then off to bed.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:22 pm
Binatica Slight disclaimer for what I'm about to do - you pushed Lunaritina's RIGHT arm which you caught in your LEFT hand toward HER right and YOUR left, while also breaking the base of the spike and giving it outward force away from you. This would not by any means pull her RIGHT arm ACROSS HER CHEST. I hope you didn't post this, since... you know... you're wrong. You need to go read the posts again, because he's standing on YOUR right side. Pushing to his left supposedly pushes it against your chest, meaning it would be to your left, not to your right...
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:35 pm
No, you're wrong. She threw a punch with her right fist...which he dodged by stepping to HIS RIGHT and grabbing her arm with his LEFT HAND. Moreover, he specifically stated that he pushed her arm to HER RIGHT, and the arm he was holding was her RIGHT ARM (this was clearly established and he has acknowledged it).
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:54 pm
Rynn Draconis Also, as he fired off the spike, he would swing his body in the reverse direction as he had before- to his left this time, avoiding her left side as he knew the right side would probably be incapable of attacking- at least for a moment.
I turned my hand holding her RIGHT arm clockwise/left(as Rynn sees his own hand) and fired it off, meaning it pushes her RIGHT arm to her LEFT, as the force comes from her RIGHT.
Pretty much everything TMJ said is true. Lunaritina decides how her mech type thing works....Yeah, I noticed the megaman thing. XD Interesting- very.
themightyjello If the latter, quitch'yer bitchin'.
For information purposes: Rynn does not draw water from himself. Why do so when there is practically an infinite supply around him? Please don't say anything stupid...Also, he can draw water from his opponent....
Rynn takes the heat energy from the air to drop the temperature- for that purpose. But where does it go? He absorbs it himself to regulate his own temperature and provide more energy, not to be mistaken with an infinite supply. If ya have questions, please ask 'em. Helps me iron out every detail of the process. biggrin
Also, when I'm giving temperatures, I like to go by tens in Celsius(Not ten per post, just meaning if I give a temperature, it's a nice rounded number)
*thinks* How much did I drop it.....ok, I guess that was pretty ridiculous for three posts. Sometimes I get so caught up in the moment(where I was fairly certain I killed you) a decent amount of detail flies out the window.
Gotta watch that....
Sorry for the complaining, thanks for the opinion/clarification TMJ, sorry Gel.
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:15 pm
Gel, you're running very close to time-out unless I'm mistaken......
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:09 pm
Chrjo12 Nifty.
Anyway, Rynn wasn't influencing anything around Lunaritina, just himself. The cold in her arm were the last traces of Rynn affecting her and even then, he had left the freezing to the spike, rather than focus more aura into her and waste precious energy for something that would be done anyway. And it had been done, though not to the full effect.
The cold would have killed all life in her arm up until about her forearm, where the melting would save the rest.
Defrost wouldn't work for the dead part of her arm.
Rather than wait for his opponent to gain an advantage, the moisture in the air begins to converge into a dome that encompasses Lunaritina, with her being the center. The mist thickened to become a deep fog that obscured vision pretty badly. This step would finish at about the time Lunaritina's buster begins to form.
Then, with a snap from Rynn, the remnants of his aura channel into the dome and freeze it pretty much instantly, and a new dome of ice that is 3 inches thick in all areas is created, containing Lunaritina within. The interior of the dome also has thousands of facets. This step would finish right before the buster takes its complete battle ready form.
Another snap and a thunderous CRACK rips through the arena. The ice shifts slightly before breaking completely, forming multiple thousands of small, severely sharp shards, sharp enough to pierce the armor, since the initial spike had.
Simply put, all converge upon Lunaritina.
Of course, Rynn didn't stay still during this whole process. He was pretty much moving constantly. The facets would also distort the true location of Rynn as well.
Also, even if the shards somehow don't penetrate Lunaritina, the simultaneous massive force(s) of impact(s) would be enough to pretty much kill her. Since she is hit from all sides, she absorbs every ounce of the force. Are you telling ME how cold affects MY robot? She let you get that spike in her, and here's a hint, she didn't do it because her forearm was susceptible to cold. Paragraphs 5-7: It takes a special kind of gift to pull off three posts worth of actions in one post. To be precise, two seconds in one post. To be more precise, the first action was done in about 1.3 seconds tops, the second in about .3 seconds (and I'm being VERY generous with that time), and the rest after my actions. What's the point of even dividing it into seperate actions if you're going to STILL set half of it before my post and the other half during my post, and make it an undodgable instakill?
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:31 am
No, I'm telling you how logic works. You said you bled earlier, so something about you must be living. Freeze something living, it stops life. It dies. Making it warmer isn't going to change anything. It's still dead.
1) Make a dome out of a relatively small amount of water, when there is practically an infinite source in the atmosphere.
2) Freeze it, with an aura that already exceeds the freezing point of water by 10 Celsius degrees.
3) Break it, and direct the shards towards Lunaritina.
Steps 1 and 2 are not hard considering the work is pretty much already done. Step 3 is the only one where I exert any relatively large amount of effort. Speed is something Rynn has practiced, and he isn't a normal human.
I can pretty much give you a way to get out of it.
But I'm not.
Because if you can't get out of it, you don't deserve to.
It's not an insta-kill, unless you let it be.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:59 pm
I made that post for Jello, not you. I don't expect you to agree with me, and if I did I would've brought it up privately to you. However, I've gotta say, that was pretty funny. Thanks for the laugh.
Thanks for verifying you did it with your aura, btw, because now I can point you to the post before yours in which your aura could no longer directly affect the air around Lunaritina.
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