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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:06 pm
Neo Gomanism Manifesto Special-On War.After I read through all the entries material, I think it's safe to say many Japanese carry sentiments about their country, other patriots feel about theirs. (in other words, foreigners are teh devil, and should be given the boot) they're even going so far, as to try and have the history books rewritten. And people in many of its neighboring countries have not taken this lightly, irregularly protesting the various issues. This is including, but certainly not limited to the downplay of their behavior during wartime, how treated certain classes of people, and who holds claim over Senkaku Island. My question to you all is, does this put Japan on more of an equal level to America, in terms of it's politics? Is their everyday life no different than ours? What about their nations nationalism? Yes, I realize this is not too happy of a topic, but to get a full grasp of the Japanese society, all aspects need to be examined, not just the happy, shiny bits. Coincidentally, there isn't much on Japanese left wing poitics out there. sad
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:34 pm
No coincidence - the Japanese government doesn't really have a left wing. The Liberal Democratic Party (which the political scientists are fond of pointing out is neither Liberal, Democratic, nor a party), which is more along the lines of middle-right, has been in control since the end of WWII, with the exception of a very short period of time where the Socialists gained control.
As for the link provided... Well, every country will have its extreme nationalists - this certainly does not imply that everyone, or even a majority of people feel that way. I was always under the impression that most Japanese didn't pay much attention to politics, and are generally fairly ignorant about their past involvement in Asia-related wars. Japan has been quite revisionist about many parts of WWII - look up some information on the Nanking massacre and Japan's current stance on the subject and you'll see one of the reasons why China is still so furious with Japan.
Koiyuki, while I think an analysis of Japan's government would be interesting to undertake, I'm not sure that you can pose your questions based on a single Wikipedia article/argument. Foreign policy is a very tiny part of politics as a whole - there's also environmental policy, domestic policy, budgeting, war policy, heck, even the party system to consider. While we can consider Japan and the US on various political topics, I think it's a bit rash to jump to comparing the two countries' political systems as a whole, straight off the bat.
As for Japan's nationalism, we might be better off hearing about it from Aiko-san. Straight from the source, right?
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:50 pm
i can help if you can explain what nationalism mean.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:55 pm
待ちましょう・待ちましょう、あたしが待たなきゃいけないなぜ?(in song form) ^_^
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:03 pm
あ、そうそう。分かった。
Nationalism is loyalty and pride in one's country. We're wondering how the Japanese feel about Japan and its policies and culture. Maybe since this thread seems to be focused on foreign relations, it would be nice to hear about how Japan feels in regard to its asian neighbors and the US.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:41 pm
えーと
well, it depends who you are. people have general pride in country (i believe not as american are). you know i have not thoguht of this much. when it comes to foreigners, it depend. for some reason white people sometime are treated very foreignrish. people from india(north part) and korea fit in easy becuase 1) both languages can relate to japanese 2) korean already look something like us and north indians are, that not bronw but brown. but some people do not like foreigner at all. some people say if there are to many, japan will be white infested, and that is one thing we do not want.
our policiy, i havent thought of this either. i dont mind them to much. japan and women relation somtime is displeasing, but, asians (i can say this true for china and india but i do not know of korea) learn to live with, but i believ out of asia we are most good with women.
back to foreigner, as majority, even thoguh i korean on our tv and music and have korean friend. US and canada......some japanese detest america and canada, some simply do not care, and some dont mind and some like. more detestting for americans, especially around places yopu have bombed.
culture.....it is always on tv, we are close to it. there will be buddha statue and torii shrine, we have complete disregard of few christians here(like in canada i notice there was commercial with word god in iand they change next day to not have god in it).
asain neighbours....well, we attack india once in world wor2, but now there is many relation. koreans are all on our tv and music. oddly, these 2 cultures speak best japanese (like inotation and such) i ahve 1 indian and 2 korean friend who live here (narita has big airport so we have some immigrant) and they speak really good japanese, like natural naitve. but i remember there was someone on news who once said (in response to hearing some man from india speaking very good japanese) "foreigner are better speaking broken japanese" what was worse was that he said gaijin, you will here it in anime, but on news and such it is really mean.
OF COURSE MAJORTIY OF JAPANESE PEOPLE DO NOT MID FOREIGNER AND ARE NICE,BUT EVEN THE ONE WHO TREAT NICELY mIGHT TREAT YOU LIKE OUTSIDER.
and on euqal level with america in terms of politics: i must laugh at this with true amusement.
politics: they are hard to explain. i never cared for them until i got a bit older (around when at 16). i would say like all people we are never truely satisfied with politics b4ecause technically democraqcy isnt that much of the people doing what they want (all we do is vote, who cares, it is not like the government asks us what to do)we are though, happy with how it works because we are not as secritive and lying scandalystic as the american government. i would say they run us properly, and i like koizumi-san.
thats really best i can explain. 4laugh
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:56 pm
Aiko_589 えーと well, it depends who you are. people have general pride in country (i believe not as american are). you know i have not thoguht of this much. when it comes to foreigners, it depend. for some reason white people sometime are treated very foreignrish. people from india(north part) and korea fit in easy becuase 1) both languages can relate to japanese 2) korean already look something like us and north indians are, that not bronw but brown. but some people do not like foreigner at all. some people say if there are to many, japan will be white infested, and that is one thing we do not want. our policiy, i havent thought of this either. i dont mind them to much. japan and women relation somtime is displeasing, but, asians (i can say this true for china and india but i do not know of korea) learn to live with, but i believ out of asia we are most good with women. back to foreigner, as majority, even thoguh i korean on our tv and music and have korean friend. US and canada......some japanese detest america and canada, some simply do not care, and some dont mind and some like. more detestting for americans, especially around places yopu have bombed. culture.....it is always on tv, we are close to it. there will be buddha statue and torii shrine, we have complete disregard of few christians here(like in canada i notice there was commercial with word god in iand they change next day to not have god in it). asain neighbours....well, we attack india once in world wor2, but now there is many relation. koreans are all on our tv and music. oddly, these 2 cultures speak best japanese (like inotation and such) i ahve 1 indian and 2 korean friend who live here (narita has big airport so we have some immigrant) and they speak really good japanese, like natural naitve. but i remember there was someone on news who once said (in response to hearing some man from india speaking very good japanese) "foreigner are better speaking broken japanese" what was worse was that he said gaijin, you will here it in anime, but on news and such it is really mean. OF COURSE MAJORTIY OF JAPANESE PEOPLE DO NOT MID FOREIGNER AND ARE NICE,BUT EVEN THE ONE WHO TREAT NICELY mIGHT TREAT YOU LIKE OUTSIDER. and on euqal level with america in terms of politics: i must laugh at this with true amusement. politics: they are hard to explain. i never cared for them until i got a bit older (around when at 16). i would say like all people we are never truely satisfied with politics b4ecause technically democraqcy isnt that much of the people doing what they want (all we do is vote, who cares, it is not like the government asks us what to do)we are though, happy with how it works because we are not as secritive and lying scandalystic as the american government. i would say they run us properly, and i like koizumi-san. thats really best i can explain. 4laugh I have a question though.... How do Japanese view and feel about Japanese Americans?
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:25 pm
Rindi No coincidence - the Japanese government doesn't really have a left wing. The Liberal Democratic Party (which the political scientists are fond of pointing out is neither Liberal, Democratic, nor a party), which is more along the lines of middle-right, has been in control since the end of WWII, with the exception of a very short period of time where the Socialists gained control. As for the link provided... Well, every country will have its extreme nationalists - this certainly does not imply that everyone, or even a majority of people feel that way. I was always under the impression that most Japanese didn't pay much attention to politics, and are generally fairly ignorant about their past involvement in Asia-related wars. Japan has been quite revisionist about many parts of WWII - look up some information on the Nanking massacre and Japan's current stance on the subject and you'll see one of the reasons why China is still so furious with Japan. Koiyuki, while I think an analysis of Japan's government would be interesting to undertake, I'm not sure that you can pose your questions based on a single Wikipedia article/argument. Foreign policy is a very tiny part of politics as a whole - there's also environmental policy, domestic policy, budgeting, war policy, heck, even the party system to consider. While we can consider Japan and the US on various political topics, I think it's a bit rash to jump to comparing the two countries' political systems as a whole, straight off the bat. As for Japan's nationalism, we might be better off hearing about it from Aiko-san. Straight from the source, right? Indeed. When I first saw it, I kept on seeing the Anti foreigner sentiments, and thought to myself, "That sounds oddly familiar..." And seeing as Wikipedia was pretty much my only source on this matter, I wanted to learn as much as possible about the two sides, which is what brings me to now.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:24 pm
Quote: I have a question though.... How do Japanese view and feel about Japanese Americans? well some japanese people not like how they have english names (like me) and some japanese people dont like how they do not know japanese, or when their parent know japanese but their children dont (like me) and some dont care. some also call them nikkei idiots because they leave japan when their kids come they dont speak a word at all, though this is stronger with older people. *by like me i mean i share thos ideas.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:26 pm
when yougo to japan and stay are you supposed to change your name?
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:32 pm
Ichigo1417 when yougo to japan and stay are you supposed to change your name? you are forced to (if you immigrate)
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:00 pm
Wow, Aiko, that was a very interesting read. Thank you for your input. Koiyuki And seeing as Wikipedia was pretty much my only source on this matter, I wanted to learn as much as possible about the two sides, which is what brings me to now. Oh, Wikipedia. D: I'm sure most countries are against the idea of being overwhelmed by an influx of foreigners. I think people feel threatened by what they do not understand, whether it be differing customs or languages or what have you. Well, anyway, 'now' is where we are. Where do you want to go with this topic?
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:04 pm
from what i have heard in news reports recently is that america has palce 24th in (sorry for making up engl;ish, i forget what they said) educational smarteness (how smart you are getting in school, this means you are not being smart) behind: JAPAN, china,INDIA,KOREA, canada, britian, and some european country , even some 3rd world country like romania and slovak(ia?)
anyway, i have seen here that many people who take japanese at school, knwo puddle of our language.
according what i see on news internet, and i heard about women called opera/opra/oprah(i do not know) did show on this too. do you belive your government has cheated you and you know if you can make it to japan?
especially because not only do college check how much japanese you are knowing, but if you are smart they will accpet you . so, for some americans i would like here one day (hermione urameshi,koiyuki, dohma, and others) do you think you can?
(mikagi if you can use your brain you wont have problem getting here you are canadaian no?)
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:35 pm
The American school system has always been pretty bad in comparison to many other countries. I remember my mother trying to give me some extra math help out of her Japanese textbooks when I was little, and I felt utterly crushed because that sort of math (I think this was some time during middle school) is taught to Japanese elementary students.
However, Aiko, I am not sure that America's public educational system is the overwhelming factor in determining who gets to study abroad in Japan. I'm more inclined to point out the individual's hand in the matter. Of course, some public schools are better than others - in the end, it all comes down to the funding that the school receives, but success in entering a good college is also dependent upon the individual. I went through the American public school system and still ended up attending one of the country's top universities - and now I'm working in Japan.
I'd say that most people who study abroad do so through college, and those colleges are generally private schools (not state schools), so they aren't run by the government. Even though America's public school system may be weak when compared to that of other countries, the US is still considered to have some of the best universities in the world... and those for the most part are not government-sponsored. Those who study abroad also tend to be in their third year, so they presumeably have taken the necessary coursework prior to going. At this point, the government doesn't have too much hold over whether you can get accepted into a Japanese college or not - it's more dependent on your own drive, and the study abroad programs that your school offers.
Bah, I suck at writing conclusive arguments. crying
Oh, and that woman's name is Oprah Winfrey. Her book list choices suck, but beyond that and her constant weight gain/loss saga, I don't know that much about her or her show. rofl
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:49 pm
Rindi Wow, Aiko, that was a very interesting read. Thank you for your input. Koiyuki And seeing as Wikipedia was pretty much my only source on this matter, I wanted to learn as much as possible about the two sides, which is what brings me to now. Oh, Wikipedia. D: I'm sure most countries are against the idea of being overwhelmed by an influx of foreigners. I think people feel threatened by what they do not understand, whether it be differing customs or languages or what have you. Well, anyway, 'now' is where we are. Where do you want to go with this topic? Hmm, whereever it goes, really. I would like to see how people, both in, and outside Japan, see the Japanese political way of life, and how it sees the outside world, and the people and things that enter in from it. And to Aiko, I once wanted to go to Japan to be a voice actor, and studied the language, and culture intensely. Of course, at that time, I didn't have anyone I would call my beloved, in America. Now that I do, it would be somewhat tougher for me to take the steps to live in a country even further away from the one I love. I definetely might consider it, when I get to the college stages of my education, though. Is it possible to mix Japanese and Psychology knowledge?
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