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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:52 pm
In the olden days, women taught, and were taught to save themselves for the right person, at the right time, under the right circumstances. These days, people lose it to any person, at any time, under any circumstances(voluntary, and involuntary) at rapidly growing rates. And with modern medical techniques, it's even possible for females to restore ther physical vrginity.
The question here is: What do people here think of these beliefs, new, and old? And should a procreedure that's only good for a brief time, and cost $5K be done for the sense of mental heath it can bring?
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:58 pm
It could be useful for women who have been raped, and can't deal with it. Anyhting to feed their denial will do them well.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:16 pm
People have been having sex outside of the marriage for centuries. People will continue to have sex when they want to and with who they want to. It is none of our business. The only reason why it seems so predominate today, is because we have more ways of spreading the news.
If someone finds that a surgery will restore a positive feeling about themself, then I have no problem with it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:04 am
Ah, yes. The quaint and pleasant belief that women are property, complete with little freshness seals so that you can ensure that no one else has used them. You wouldn't want to buy a second-hand woman by mistake, after all. Their value goes down with each resale.
And somehow, women were convinced that their vaginal freshness seals mattered, as though the physical condition of one's body reflected the interior of one's soul.
In the same way, as we all know, that ugly people are deformed because they're bad people.
But, never fear! Should one slip up and fall into the inexorable den of sin which is normal human reproductive activity, one can repair the freshness seal! Thus tricking any men who come along into believing that they are purchasing a brand new product, rather than a rickety old lemon.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:08 am
Son of Axeman It could be useful for women who have been raped, and can't deal with it. Anyhting to feed their denial will do them well. I have met many, many women who have been raped, (myself included, and that was how I 'lost' my virginity) and I have yet to meet a single one whose trauma involved OMG now I don't have a hymen, wah. They were all much more concerned with the fact that they had been raped, hurt, suffered damage, and could possibly be pregnant or have AIDs than the condition of their hymen. The only people who give a s**t about the state of their hymens are absurd Christian fundamentalists. (That I've ever encountered.) But don't worry about me. I found my virginity, eventually. It was just hiding under the sofa.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:12 am
Yi Min If someone finds that a surgery will restore a positive feeling about themself, then I have no problem with it. If one's self-worth is linked to the physical state of a pretty much invisible and useless chunk of tissue, then one has some pretty bad issues to start with, and I think those people ought to deal with their mental problems rather than get surgery to try and ignore it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:01 pm
Sylphi Yi Min If someone finds that a surgery will restore a positive feeling about themself, then I have no problem with it. If one's self-worth is linked to the physical state of a pretty much invisible and useless chunk of tissue, then one has some pretty bad issues to start with, and I think those people ought to deal with their mental problems rather than get surgery to try and ignore it. You are correct, I was thinking of it in more of a broader sense.
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:08 pm
Leave it to Sylphi to hit my point of view as a male crossplayer...
However, it's a case of some rape victims wanting to suppress the memories. For these individuals, a lack of physical evidence can help them do this, and make their life much more tolerable.
Personally, in general, though, I think the surgery's a waste of money, and the cost of it woudl generally be better spent on sessions with a decent psychologist. I wouldn't recommend it to any girls I knew.
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:48 pm
I find that hymen replacement surgery is ridiculous.
Some women aren't even BORN with hymens, so does that make them "not virgins"?
Also, I broke my hymen when I was 5 by doing the splits too fast. It HURT LIKE HELL and BLED a lot. I couldn't go pee for a week without having pain.
Why in god's name would you want to have an experience like that with someone you love very much? Is the idea that the trauma will bring you together?
I don't think so!
Personally, I was fine with not having a hymen. It didn't make me any less of a "virgin" or any less valuable in my own eyes.
However, just like I think it's stupid for Michael Jackson to get yet ANOTHER nose job, I think that hymen "replacement", while stupid, is an individual's own goddamn business.
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:21 pm
NekoIncChan Leave it to Sylphi to hit my point of view as a male crossplayer... However, it's a case of some rape victims wanting to suppress the memories. For these individuals, a lack of physical evidence can help them do this, and make their life much more tolerable. Heh. ^_^ The hymen or lack thereof really isn't physical evidence anyway, because you can't see or feel or otherwise interact with it at all unless you're sticking things up your v****a. Suppressing memories is a bad idea. It happened to me. The last thing in the world I was sitting there caring about was 'oh no, an invisible chunk of tissue is torn.' And I've yet to meet anyone, ever, for whom that was remotely a concern. Doesn't mean that such people don't exist... but it means that the trigger is something other than rape.
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:29 pm
Sylphi NekoIncChan Leave it to Sylphi to hit my point of view as a male crossplayer... However, it's a case of some rape victims wanting to suppress the memories. For these individuals, a lack of physical evidence can help them do this, and make their life much more tolerable. Heh. ^_^ The hymen or lack thereof really isn't physical evidence anyway, because you can't see or feel or otherwise interact with it at all unless you're sticking things up your v****a. Suppressing memories is a bad idea. It happened to me. The last thing in the world I was sitting there caring about was 'oh no, an invisible chunk of tissue is torn.' And I've yet to meet anyone, ever, for whom that was remotely a concern. Doesn't mean that such people don't exist... but it means that the trigger is something other than rape. I was taught that the hymen is at the vaginal opening and is viewable. CAUTION..PHOTO IS GRAPHIC IN NATURE. Depicts the location of the Hymen. PHOTO
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:57 pm
Well, for me, it definitely doesn't matter, because I'm one of those women who's never had one. sweatdrop
Anyways, I don't fully see a point to replacing it. It is, as Oni said, just like any plastic surgery. It's up to the individual, but not something necessary.
Besides, if you're involved with/are one of those people who thinks that a woman who does not have her virginity intact isn't "worth" as much, then, quite frankly, you just should find someone who doesn't have that problem to be with. It's not that difficult.
In cases of rape, though, men who think that a woman is less of a person because of their lack of virginity are the ones who need to get over themselves. Any woman with a man like that can seriously find someone a lot better, and should.
I hope this somewhat makes sense. I'm tired.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:55 am
Yi Min Sylphi NekoIncChan Leave it to Sylphi to hit my point of view as a male crossplayer... However, it's a case of some rape victims wanting to suppress the memories. For these individuals, a lack of physical evidence can help them do this, and make their life much more tolerable. Heh. ^_^ The hymen or lack thereof really isn't physical evidence anyway, because you can't see or feel or otherwise interact with it at all unless you're sticking things up your v****a. Suppressing memories is a bad idea. It happened to me. The last thing in the world I was sitting there caring about was 'oh no, an invisible chunk of tissue is torn.' And I've yet to meet anyone, ever, for whom that was remotely a concern. Doesn't mean that such people don't exist... but it means that the trigger is something other than rape. I was taught that the hymen is at the vaginal opening and is viewable. CAUTION..PHOTO IS GRAPHIC IN NATURE. Depicts the location of the Hymen. PHOTOOnly if your back is reaaaaaaaaly damn flexible.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:05 am
Virginity is special and it should be saved for the right person, generally your wife/husband. I'm one of very few guys who want to keep their virginity until they are married, and I plan to lose it on my wedding night. I do know quite a few females who feel the same way! 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:51 pm
So you want your wedding night to be awkward and painful for your partner? How... nice. I mean, I totally go for men who want to hurt me. stare
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