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Veil?..I wonder if this is the same thing that people were talking about in the Unicorn Otherkin community that I recently joined off-Gaia.

Well, there are apparently many theories floating around as to what it does, but I keep hearing that it's going to dissipate soon..Real soon. Perhaps within the next decade or two.

From what I've heard, when this thing goes completely, there will be almost a mergeance of worlds..I still don't understand how that's possible. But, Magick will supposedly become more strong and Psychic phenomena more frequent and those who already have the abilities will feel theirs strengthen.

Some are suggesting that all Otherkin will take on their True Forms. Of this I am doubtful. Though, since one theory is that with the merge of the worlds, the "laws of physics" will be different and the world itself will change drastically, I could see how that theory was born.

I think there was something I read about the falling/formation of a rift of/within this veil of sorts, had something to do with a great war. Once again, that's nothing more than rumors and speculation.

So, in a nutshell..All I know are rumors and theories I've picked up from the forums and sites that I try to visit regularly. Other than that, I'd have to say that I'm pretty useless when it comes to the discussion of this topic. sweatdrop

There's a veil that surrounds this plane(I think it's this plane..it might only be this world..but you get the idea). The veil is almost like a guard, it keeps most things out, but it lets some things in. But, it also seems to impose some limitations on our reality(like how strong Magick can work and how strong psychic ability can be without much rigorous training..etc). I don't really know why it's there, but it is.

Now, from what I've heard, this veil is slowly weakening..even..dissipating..if you will. It's like there's a rift being formed in it, or at least there will be sometime soon. I've heard predictions being as close as 3 years and as distant as another 5, 6, or even another 19 years.

It is said that when the Veil falls, the world will change completely. I don't really know how, exactly, since there are so many different theories.

One of which is that there will be a massive war which will bring about the end of the world as we know it and practically cause the world to restart. With that theory, it is said that people will just end up being divided according to their natural, soul's alignment and there will be war. I've never really understood how that one would work.

One was that the world would continue, just that psychic phenomena and stuff would be WAY more common.

But, a really popular theory seems to be that Otherkin will become their True Selves..even if that somehow means either a really painful physical transformation to their Kin type. Realistically speaking(unless the laws of physics change dratically), I think it would perhaps only be the development of visible traits of their Kin type..But even that's pushing it. Though, I've heard of one theory where it's like the Kin would be reunited with their True Bodies. That would be kinda raunchy considering as Otherkin posess the SOULS of non-human entities..which would mean that said entities would have to be DEAD. In some cases, said entities would probably be in VARYING STATES OF DECAY. gonk (The stuff was capitalized for emphasis)

I spologize for repeating myself a little..but..I only have limited knowledge on this subject.. sweatdrop

"The Veil"

What is "the veil"? It's a barrier, a separator between the realm of spirits and magic and that of the mundane.

Why is it there? Well, because most humans either do not wish to see or experience the fantastic or deny its existence.

Is it Vanishing?! eek Well, according to some pagan lore, the veil thins out every year around Samhain, making it an excellent time to talk to spirits and the witchiest day of the year. Even the most mundane of humans feel the power of Halloween, and this is most likely the reason.

Will it vanish permanently? I can't really say, because I honestly don't know. I also don't know whether it's a good or bad thing should it do so. It would raise awareness of things beyond explanation, but the cost in mundane sanity or just plain fear and hatred of it could be too great a cost. All I can really say is that if it's there, there must be a decent reason behind it.

Oh my god ._. This sounds like exactly something my friend told me. Okay- my friend may just be insane, but he had this amazing story that he told me once. He said that [about 5000 years ago] there was a war in another plane of existence (the plane of spirits) between two kingdoms or something and it turned into a massive war in which nearly every spirit took a side (a "world war" of the spirit world, so to speak =P) and like during this war some spirits would escape to our plane in order to live in a human body and recover before returning to the war, and to prevent this they built a massive barrier between the worlds. And he said that there were a few souls that slipped past this barrier as it was closing and these became unkillable people in the sense that the moment they die they'll possess the nearest body with full memories of both all they had done in their past body and all that their new body had done in its past. And he said that like recently some mercenary type of spirit or something (he called them "metkulls" or something like that.) were sent through a tear that was made in the barrier so retrieve those escaped souls.

Honestly- I've never done any studying of the other planes so I don't hope to understand them or their workings sweatdrop This is all stuff my friend told me. Oh- and he's able to see energy and spirits and he drew me a picture of a metkull. It looked almost like a skull-ish-thing with a little hooked thing draped from it.

Oh- and one thing I just thought... You said that the veil will disappear soon, right? xd 2012, the end of the world!!! Oh noes! whee

Well, here's my theory on the whole thing concerning the veil.

It's been around for a long time point taken. I have no real theories on this, but it must've been setup a long time ago with some strong a** magick if it's still around and functioning, for the most part.

Lately there has been an upsurge of "New Age" interests. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with this, but I think it might possibly be due to the psychic phenomenon increase because the veil is weakening. So much that even the non-sensitives are starting to feel it.
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As for the aftermath... I personally think that there will be an upsurge of energy flow between the two worlds? planes? levels of existence. sweatdrop In this sense, I believe that alot more energy interactions will happen and alot more will change than we can even comprehend. I have no idea what will change though, but I'm pretty sure that since there is a greater amount of flow, there will be an increase in both paranorml activities and abilities.

If war decides to set in, I'd guess the probable explanation would be that it was caused by the backdraft created by the flow of energy. This world has plenty of energy, but I think the otherside of the veil is much more... rich with it. And if I'm right on this I'd be sure as hell suprised, but I'm guessing there'd be a type of backdraft. Like how air in high pressure areas moves to low pressure regions I think the same thing will happen. If that's true, there's going to be alot of confusion and... Sufficit to say, hate because some of this side don't understand that there's more than flesh and blood. (There's psi!)

the veil according to the mormons is a barrier ,that erased our memories of the preexistence... its there to make it a fair test... but its going away cuz the final days are coming... the end is near and the war over mens souls is nearing its end...and if u read in revelations ull see alot of the things in there are starting to happen...this is the time to prepare .

Well I asked my friend about the veil, and he knows alot more about magick stuff then I do...
He said that if the veil ever does fall that the things on the other side would just disappear, that they couldn't attack because they don't have enough power to do anything like that.
Which I rather agree to. And why would they want to attack...

The Veil I believe is a myth for it couldn't happen seeing as if it did disappear all of time and space would collapse causing a time flux meaning mass destrustion, chaos, death, so forth with no way to stop it meaning we would be dead before a war could happen, unless you could somehow you could reistate a sub-form of the veil long enough for such a war to take place, but for someone to do something on that scale could never be possible if what I have read is true. When two things suppose to be seperate can come together time and space change, but seeing as the change would be on that great of a scale, time would rip as I said before. It is probably another myth.

Supposedly, someone is supposed to stop the fighting. A girl, at that.

I won't give you the exact words, though. Why?

Remember the Dark Crystal? It was prophecized that the change would be brought about by a specific race. So as a result, that race was hunted down to the last two.

Same goes with this one. I won't go into details because, if it is true, I don't want these types of people sought out and destroyed.

according to what i know about the veil, [Koemiko] is absolutely correct. my tutor and many of my friends are very conscious about the veil, but that is a prophecy, would you all like an update?

the "dark crystal" is supposedly where the veil originates. [--ambrose's note: Wait- when she said "Remember the Dark Crystal", wasn't she referring to a movie? I don't think she was referring to part of the prophecy ninja Whatever xp --] legend has it that it is somewhere between the tigris and euphrates river, close to where life began. The "race" that has been whittled down to two, not by hunting, but by inter-breeding.

They are a boy and a girl, walking hopelessly around trying to find meaning to their lives. according to the legend, they will awaken when they see each other.

the other world where the war was supposed to take place also seems to exist. there are rumors about someone actually making the trip between the worlds, but this is only rumor and speculation. The veil is pretty much under wraps and kept from many people to be kept from leaking to "the survivors"

I'd disagree with [the theory that the Veil can only be affected from the other side], but other than that, yes [we shouldn't mess with what we don't understand]. I do think we can affect what affects the Veil, be it people or angels or whatever, but it would be risky to try to affect it directly

there is supposed to be a war that will flare up soon. a gigantic war... and in the end, one side will break the veil totally. so it is foretold.

and my freinds and i have debated what we have heard about otherkin getting their "soul forms." We came to the conclusion that the veil will break spiritual and astral barriers too... the thought vaguely scares me

[-- ambrose's note: The following post was too long for me to read through and search for allusions to past or changed posts, so if a detail is alluded to which wasn't explained above, please simply post so and I'll try to find said detail in the thread sweatdrop --]

Honestly, this is the first time I have ever heard of the existence of the Veil.
If you stand back and try to look at how life could be in the future, I'm not sure how this Veil falling would be a good thing, at all. (this is probably going to be a really long post, sorry sweatdrop If you don't want to read it, by all means feel free to skip it.)
What I am going to be talking about in this post deals mostly with the physical aspect of the future, in relation to the same timeframe as when the Veil might collapse if it is in the near future.

Everyone hears so many different things about things failing with nature or with human beings and that it will affect us in the future.
For example, the things that are happening now in terms of physically:
1) Global Warming (obviously, we have all heard about that one)
2) Severe weather changes; unusual weather; more tornados/hurricanes; more flooding in some places.

These are just some of the things dealing with the physical that are predicted:
1) An ice age is overdue.
2) Sperm count is getting lower in males due to the chemicals in womens' birth control pills not getting filtered out in our drinking water, expected the population will go down severely by 2050, and may be nonexistant by 2070-2080 (read about half way down, if you want to find it quickly).
3) This is just a speculation made by many including myself, but World War 3 will break out and with the population that survives, there will be very few unharmed by radioactive warfare.


Now these are just things that are happening physically or could very well happen in our lifetime.
To relate this to the veil, or more like what would most likely happen if/when the veil falls...
Most likely we will be going through such choas in our physical world, and most likely most people would not be able to handle the trauma from events that will unfold. To add on that something may happen with the spirit in the same timeframe would most likely become unbearable. Just a side note... not only is there an increase of spiritual awareness & more use of magick, there is also an increase of more reported mental illnesses worldwide. Perhaps this is a sign that not only is our physical selves going to change, but also our mental selves as well.


Some prophecies or speculations from the prophecies:
1) Mayan calendar stops at year 2012 - some predict the end of the world, others predict the beginning of a new era.
2) I believe it was Nostradamus who said in one of his prophecies that the way that the world will die is that we will be grasping at the earth's roots to survive, (aka we will die of starvation) and some say we might turn to cannablism. Some say that this is already starting to happen - just look at some places in Africa. People are dying daily from starvation and dehydration or disease.


3) "Killer" asteroid is expected to hit Earth at unknown time - could be by 2020, could be hundreds of years later.
4) The Piscean Age is ending. Some say with in the Age of Aquarius, we shall have equal respect and love for each other, resulting in peace all over the world. (think of it like uhhh the Age of Hippies I guess xp )
5) The Veil will collaspe within the next 25 years.
6) The New World Order may make itself known and happen within this lifetime.
7) In the next decade or two, or even sooner, we will be entering an ascension. Some people believe that those who have not prepared for ascension will be lost in the dust, and left behind, so to speak.

... There are many other prophecies and predictions about 2012, as well many other ways the world could end at least physically in the near future.


If we look at our society as it is now, how many of us would have the survival skills needed to live as instinctual animals, if it came down to it? How many would know how to hunt daily and escape predators, and survive? What if there were no more resources left, all other animals had perished, water had dried up, and there was no more vegetation?

Most likely we won't be able to survive physically.
I believe that especially with the Age ending and the new one beginning, maybe we might just exist spiritually and mentally? Although I have always believed that you cannot have just those two without the body, although I also feel that the body is just a shell.
I think that if the Veil does exist, then what Kariston was mentioning about the backdraft of energies... that would kind of make sense. And what Yagi said about the null-field from people who don't believe in these things, makes sense too. But really, I have no idea because like I said this is the first time that I have heard of the Veil at all.


You might think that all of this may be slightly off-topic, but I would really like to just throw this out there to make sure people also think of what is happening now in the world and what else has already been predicted. It may help in better depicting how things may happen if the Veil falls if you connect things in real life. *shrugs* Ehh, most likely everything that I've just said probably doesn't have any significance and I apologize for the long post then. sweatdrop sad I tried to make it more interesting with a bunch of links, hope it helped.

Disclaimer//I do not take any responsibility for any of the content in the websites listed above. Please note that I may or may not agree with the opinions and views of the authors of each website. Also, since it is the internet afterall, I cannot verify any of these findings to be fact. In my view, they are mearly speculations.

I think I may have a solution to [Jinxxed's] little problem of us needing bodies, yet bodies being just shells, albeit it is a little convuluted. What if we had spiritual bodies? Not bodies of energy, like the astral, but bodies, made of matter like ours, which hungered and breathed and bled, only living on a separate plane from ours. This is where I believe we will end up. Funny how I try to keep what I deem "secret" or "contriversial" hidden, then someone goes and posts and pretty much anticipates it, and then I can simply share more with my guildmates.

As for the Veil, [Jinxxed did] paint a realistic, if negative picture. Although I am full of hope for it, I am in I think the minority, seriously worrying about the Veil falling. I believe in the information I have come across, the Veil possibly would cause widespread devastation, like the literal sky falling, with millions perishing, those unable to cope simply killed off, a smaller Doomsday. ... *sighs* But if the Veil falls, I don't know if we can stop it, nor if we should. I've noted before that I think if we try to keep the Veil up improperly, we could cause just as much damage, and possibly the Veil will not be so distructive if it happens how it is supposted to. I think at this point, we should do our best to understand the Veil before we decide about it.

Honestly I think that the reason why this is all happening to us is mainly for karmic reasons. Perhaps not karmic on the individual level, but we must pay the price for what our species has done in the past. Speaking in terms of majority... or more like those in power or who are well off, we have almost completely neglected our planet (sure we say we care about it but in reality we do nothing that will actually make an impact on how things are.) We have let greed and materialism consume our lives, when really if you think about we... when we die, we're not going to have our precious paper money and possessions. It's all for nothing except for being selfish, greedy, and uncaring about life in all of its unique and different glories.

Don't you think that as the species at the top of the food chain that we have a responsibility to overlook the health and wellbeing of rest of the food chain? If we don't, well then our asses are on the line and it's our fault because we wouldn't have any food left. (<--- even then, the majority of us are still looking at what would benefit ourselves.... versus actually sincerely caring about the deaths, diseases, and pain that other creatures go through.)

I think whatever happens, we deserve it. Like I said, not individually perhaps, but... we had a global responsibility to maintain this planet and care for her and we failed, miserably, only caring for ourselves.
If we try to change it or stop it.... again, it is only showing our roots of selfishness and what is in the benefit of ourselves. Of course we don't want to die... but if there's a good reason for it, then ultimately we should.

First I'm going to post what I did in the her thread:


Next, I'm going to respond to the ideas that ambrose_sallia brought up.

If the Veil were to break under the pressure from one side I agree there would be a devestating flux of power from that. I don't think it would kill everyone. Everyone, not anyone. Those unable to handle the energy or comprehend it would probably collapse from their own mind tryign to fight it and failing. But the energy would be more metaphysical and those that are well versed in such areas would be able to protect themselves better and work through the issues it causes.

I personally believe that something is causing the Veil to weaken, as in deteriorate. So that it's not one side imposing upon the other, but both sides becoming too much force and it will simply collapse, like a deteriorating baloon. It won't pop, but more helium is escaping than you think, until one day it's completely empty. Is that too much pressure for one world? I don't think it is, but it will definately change the "atmosphere".

yes, but what are we going to do with this information? sweatdrop

Hey, Joshua. Do you mind explaining what the negative side of the veil remaining would be? I mean I have an inkling of something along the lines of stagnation of the worlds, but you sound smart when you type so I'll let you explain. Please? 3nodding

but thats against the symbolics.
if the veil is supposed to be symbolic by it's creator, and it's a stature of balance, then wouldn't it be balanced on both sides?

i mean, the only way to break an eggshell frim either side is pressing a lot of force into one area correct?