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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:13 pm
How much has it changed between the two time periods, and how much has stayed the same? Do ideals from one time carry over to another? And what of the Japanese way of life?
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:13 pm
All I know is that they still have an emporer from the line of Yamato, which is the only family that has been on the throne (that I know of). I had something else to say, but I just forgot what it was. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:49 am
やがてこの世を・・・・・・How far back in "ancient Japan" are you refering to? ・・・・・・破壊するつもりだぜぃ!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:13 am
Doumanagi Dazaemon やがてこの世を・・・・・・How far back in "ancient Japan" are you refering to? ・・・・・・破壊するつもりだぜぃ!!
Feudal-era Japan, I think. Heian, if anyone knows about it.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:40 am
heian is nothing, there more history before heian:
The beggining:
In the beginning japan was connected to china (9500 BCE) from there Ainu people came to japan. they lived on the china russia border, and they have caucasian blood. But their reign was short. after ainu had come to japan, some hundred year more people from manchu (eastern china, above korea) setled in japan.now where it get interesting: the manchuan mix with ainu and after enough of there race mix the dilute race is jomon people, but oddly, they push their ancestor,the Ainu, up north. but jomon were unskilled(they are technically part chinese after all ), and had primitive language and all could make pottery and primitive tools, they did not fish but rely on Ainu way, catching food with hand. this is luckily when korena came. korean mix with jomon and ainu and make new race:Yayoi. These people fished wove garment, made prized swords, valued honour, their china neighbour they value, looked better than jomon and:Invented japanese. many year later,(660BCE) Jimmu tenno was crowned. This was start of Yamato, the period at which Nara was the capital and Yamato family ruled.
PHEW, THATS ALL FOR NOW!
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:06 pm
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:39 pm
Aiko_589 heian is nothing, there more history before heian: The beggining: In the beginning japan was connected to china (9500 BCE) from there Ainu people came to japan. they lived on the china russia border, and they have caucasian blood. But their reign was short. after ainu had come to japan, some hundred year more people from manchu (eastern china, above korea) setled in japan.now where it get interesting: the manchuan mix with ainu and after enough of there race mix the dilute race is jomon people, but oddly, they push their ancestor,the Ainu, up north. but jomon were unskilled(they are technically part chinese after all ), and had primitive language and all could make pottery and primitive tools, they did not fish but rely on Ainu way, catching food with hand. this is luckily when korena came. korean mix with jomon and ainu and make new race:Yayoi. These people fished wove garment, made prized swords, valued honour, their china neighbour they value, looked better than jomon and:Invented japanese. many year later,(660BCE) Jimmu tenno was crowned. This was start of Yamato, the period at which Nara was the capital and Yamato family ruled. PHEW, THATS ALL FOR NOW! Holy crap! eek I didn't know the eras were based on what the civilians were called... What's more I had no idea that much mixing and breeding was going on! Whoa!!! xd
I have a question though... If you had to take an educated guess, how much of the population of Japan would you say is the Ainu makes up??? I'd guess less than 5% to extinction! Am I close??? xp ◇Domah◆ -- The Aristocratic Loner --
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:35 pm
lets start with jimmu and then you will know why all the ainu are gone, this doesnt paint a nice picture of us back then article 1: Quote: February 11, 660 BCE : Japan was born. That day, the so-called First Emperor, Jimmu, was reportedly celebrating the Day of the Goddess of the Sun for the first time. Hence, this is also the birth of Shintoism. Before and after that feast, Emperor Jimmu was busy enlightening the clots of unnamed people around Central Japan that didn't welcome the reign of the first Son of the Rising Sun. This was done by whacking their heads off.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:37 pm
Quote: 660 BCE until Year 1 : Nothing important happened; just some mail to and from places such as Korea and China through Korea, and Japan was, to them, a country named 'Wa', whose natives were disposed of and the land was ruled by the invaders thru chiefdom, the strongest of the chiefs was the one the Japanese later called 'Emperor'. That far the Koreans were accurate, because since Jimmu's time the actual title of Japanese Emperors was 'Chief' -- 'Nin-o' (chief of men), 'Omi' (great man), and variants of those, none of which had anything to do with imperial glitter but based largely on manowar quality. Of course Korea, which, at the time, wasn't even called 'Korea' (there were many kingdoms in Korea, like Kokuli, Silla and Pakche), was to have an everlasting bad relation with Japan, so the truth about what Japan was like before the year 749 is thereby can be dug in-between the Japanese myth and the Korean disdain. Ruler of Japan according to a Korean history book looks like Fred Flintstone's colleague of Bedrock. The first ruler of Japan ('Wa') mentioned by name but, alas, not by year at all, is 'Queen Pimiku'. That's the Korean dialect; the real Japanese word is most likely to be 'Himiko' -- which means nothing but 'Princess'. The name 'Wa' to call Japan with came from the same Chinese syllable that the Japanese pronounce 'Yamato'. The latter means, ironically enough in this era of hatcheting and beheading, 'peace'. That's how the Japanese referred to their country those days, as 'The Land of Peace'. And at the left is how Himiko of the yearless 'Wa' looked like, according to the imagination of some unnamed but apparently authoritative staffers of the Japanese National Museum. The fashion is a hybrid of the Japanese's own Heian era (click the name for pictures) and what the Ainu people used to don (click here for that). The headband, though, is Korean and Chinese. Himiko, according to the Koreans, was 60 years old or so, a celibate, and a sorcerer. But the Japanese chieftains somewhat liked her, so the country was more or less okay under her rule. This Land of Peace, which location was between today's Nara and Osaka, had their own language from the beginning, which was not much different from today's Japanese. But, whenever came the time to write something, the Japanese had to get a bit nicer to whichever Korean immigrant around, because they had no alphabet. So they used Chinese characters in this prolific snail-mail era, via these Koreans, who, as far as I know, could have just scribbled jokes down when told to write about trade -- because the Japanese, no matter what they said, couldn't read it. Himiko-sama
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:39 pm
Quote: Year 70 : Emperor Suinin got the 'sacred mirror, jewel and sword' from a god, or alternately from a Korean nobleperson sailing there. 'Mirror', those days, meant a burnt metal disk polished rigorously until you can see a very faint reflection of your face and a very vivid setting of horror movies on the surface. 'Jewel' meant the thing that the Japanese call 'magatama', i.e. boomerang-shaped semi-precious or worthless stones (from the likes of opal and garnet to soapstones), perforated near one edge, tied to some wisteria vine ,and worn around the neck. These 'jewels' were as large as the ones worn by my mom's generation when the 'Flower Generation' and the flocks of 'hippies' boomed last century. 'Sword' was of course sword, but it didn't look like today's Japanese katana. The handle was elaborately decorated, and both sides of the blade were sharp. This kind of sword, worn by the samurai until 9th century, is called 'tachi'. These three objects are always the Shintoist basis of the imperial legitimacy (supposedly representing the sun, the moon, and thunder). The Goddess of the Sun gave them all to Emperor Jimmu, they said, when Heaven divorced this sorry little planet Earth. Before 660 BCE, there was a bridge connecting the two, though the traffic was rather one-way.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:44 pm
Quote: 71 - 130 : Emperor Keiko spent his entire time in office subduing unrelenting tribes of Kyushu, which some historians say were originally Malayans ('Malay' is the dominant ethnicity of Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, and Singapore). He also had to go to war regularly against the natives of the Japanese isles, the Ainu people. 201 : Most famous Empress Jingu Kogo -- néé Okinaga Tarashi -- ascended because her Emperor Chuai unexpectedly died while they were preparing invasion of Korea. Empress Jingu matters in the history of Japan not because it placates 20th century feminists, but because coveting Korea would be a routine imperial dream of the Japanese until 20th century. we never like koreans
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:46 pm
Quote: 203 : Empress Jingu invaded Korea and won it, said ancient Japanese. Or she dispatched some naval raiders to the nearest coastal town of Korea and brought back some loot, said 21st century caucasians. Whichever was the case, the fixed idea to make Korea a part of Japan would always get legitimized by this year's exploits.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:47 pm
Quote: 313 : Empress Jingu's son Ojin, the most warlike Emperor after Jimmu, died this year, and Emperor Nintoku instantly made him the God of War by Shintoism, given a new name of 'Hachiman'. He was elevated so high into divinity because all his relatively short life was spent eliminating the Ainu warriors in some unprecedented scale. The life of Hachiman marked the start of samuraihood, since it was only in his era that the Japanese warriors started to believe in their own collective talent in wars, having Hachiman to demonstrate how much more sophisticated they were in the art of killing if compared to the Ainus who, until they met Hachiman, had been rather superior in this game. Hundreds of years later, Hachiman would be appropriated by the Minamoto clan of Kamakura as their very own god. (Just in case you haven't noticed, samurai clans had their own gods. Click here for the procedure of this biz of deifying ancestors or alternately claiming anscestry from already existing gods.) Besides leaving this major legacy to japankind, the same Emperor Nintoku would also leave something of his own to posterity: the awesome burial site like in the picture below, which surely has been transmitting a favorable impression about our species in the minds of aliens out there, reminding them of what they did to the cornfields of Nebraska.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:48 pm
Quote: 400 : Emperor Richiu ascended. Start of direct official bilateral diplomatic and trade relation with China, not via Korea anymore. Some insist that it happened in the year 378, but no proof of that. It was not a good relation anyway. The Chinese, which always saw themselves as the world, routinely treated the Japanese as a much inferior race, while the high-strung Japanese of the time sneered at any hint that they be vassals of the Chinese Emperors. But the Chinese attitude did something good, too. It consolidated the tribal consciousness of the homogeneity of Japan, which would develop itself steadily into some degree of cohesiveness which no other Asian nation ever came to. However, this good side-effect of the Chinese arrogance would eventually gave birth to, lamentably, fascism. 406 : Among the tribe-like peoples of Japan, several clans rose up, and this year marked the first division of labor among the Emperor's milieu -- half of which would be sedentary, and the other half burly. The Nakatomi and Imibe both specialized in heavenward gaze, so they were employed by Emperor Hanzo as Shinto priests and such, and dominating the Imperial Court. These clans were the first of the species which would be known as 'courtiers', i.e. noblepersons whose job was to roam around the Palace, but whose chance to get in line for the job of emperor-ing Japan was nix. The Otomo, Kumebe, and Mononobe clans were warlike, so they were the prototype of the warlord clans. Btw, those names were initially jobs, not people's names. Clan names ending with '_be' from this point of time were usually born not as people's namesake but as workers' unions, such as Ayabe, Oribe, Hasebe, etc. 415 : Emperor Hanzo released an Imperial Edict about regulations of clan names, because people craving awesome names had been appropriating such names without caring a fig about the legitimate owners of the names. That was a sordid affair that would plague every administration since. These, btw, were the years when the Otomo clan became entirely a warrior clan and the most often called up by the Emperors to quench unprisings. In other words, the Otomo Chief of clan was the first Shogun. finally the end of the kofun era.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:59 pm
Through the centuries japanese society has changed in many ways ,there is no longer anything preventing them from marrying outside their class (ex a samurai marrying a craftpersons daughter)
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