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 Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:15 am
"Every day in the United States of America over 4,000 American citizens are silenced against their wills. They have their voices permanently silenced and they never get the opportunity to speak on behalf of themselves....
These victims are not only being silenced; they are being killed. The victims....are not going to be mentioned on the news. The victims....will not have a funeral. The victims....were ripped from the safety and warmth of their mothers? wombs. The victims....were not blobs of tissue, but beautiful human persons, with hearts that beat, brains that gave out brain waves, and a soul. These are the victims of the abortion holocaust.
Every day over 4,000 babies have their lives ended in the name of choice. Since January 22, 1973, over 46 million babies have died. The time is now to stand on behalf of these innocent victims. Visit www.standtrue.com to find out how to be a voice." <--This is a message I took from stand true, its a message used for the day of scilence. There are "...." because I needed to shorten it a little bit. if you want the original, go to www.standtrue.com, click Projects/Action, Students Day of Silent Solidarity, and Text of Flyer. This message is used by many people on October 22nd.
I as a Christian, a human being, and a former unborn baby say abortion very wrong.
I mean, God created everyone, even those unborn babies. I know quite a bit about abortion and such because I researched some things about it.
But how do you guys feel about abortion?
Those who say they think abortion is okay, please go to www.standtrue.com - then go to Educate Yourself - then to both Abortion and Post Abortion. Then decide how you feel about abortion.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:49 pm
Even though that haven't taken a breath or air doesn't mean that they aren't human beings. A babies heart is beating just weeks after being concieved. It is wrong no matter how the person got pregnant.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:50 pm
Yeah I agree, people say it's not human but it needs food and nourishment, it breathes, therefore it is alive and it deserves a chance. Some argue that it isn't human,Well it is and even if it weren't, it's still a living being. Dogs are living beings aren't they? If we don't want it, should we just kill it? No. And to me, it seems cruel that someone would treat something they put their love into making less than an animal because they simply don't want it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:10 pm
My dad told me he has seen a video on what happens during abotion (like inside the womb)
He told me the the unborn baby was trying to move away from the tools that was killing it. So that unborn baby was smart enough to know that something was trying to hurt it. That always seems to break my heart.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:36 pm
I'm proudly anti-abortion. biggrin
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:53 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:54 pm
d~girl~4ever Even though that haven't taken a breath or air doesn't mean that they aren't human beings. A babies heart is beating just weeks after being concieved. It is wrong no matter how the person got pregnant. Are you insinuating that a beating heart is the only qualification for life? Well, it's not. There are many more functions that go into the determination of life, and death. Just to pose a really off the wall philosophy-esque question. Think about this: 1. This reality is false. 2. We are merely mental beings, and this reality is all just a farce to decieve us. 3. The only way to truly live, is to sever all physical attachements, in other words, true life comes only after death. On the topic of abortion though, think about this, if that person where truly important to god (jesus-like important) would god allow for an abortion of that person?
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:57 pm
chaoticpuppet d~girl~4ever Even though that haven't taken a breath or air doesn't mean that they aren't human beings. A babies heart is beating just weeks after being concieved. It is wrong no matter how the person got pregnant. Are you insinuating that a beating heart is the only qualification for life? Well, it's not. There are many more functions that go into the determination of life, and death. Just to pose a really off the wall philosophy-esque question. Think about this: 1. This reality is false. 2. We are merely mental beings, and this reality is all just a farce to decieve us. 3. The only way to truly live, is to sever all physical attachements, in other words, true life comes only after death. On the topic of abortion though, think about this, if that person where truly important to god (jesus-like important) would god allow for an abortion of that person? God allows things to happen because he gave us free will. That does not mean it is ok, though. God does not delight in us murdering unborn children because we dont want them. It hurts him to see us killing off the children.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:14 pm
chaoticpuppet d~girl~4ever Even though that haven't taken a breath or air doesn't mean that they aren't human beings. A babies heart is beating just weeks after being concieved. It is wrong no matter how the person got pregnant. Are you insinuating that a beating heart is the only qualification for life? Well, it's not. There are many more functions that go into the determination of life, and death. Just to pose a really off the wall philosophy-esque question. Think about this: 1. This reality is false. 2. We are merely mental beings, and this reality is all just a farce to decieve us. 3. The only way to truly live, is to sever all physical attachements, in other words, true life comes only after death. On the topic of abortion though, think about this, if that person where truly important to god (jesus-like important) would god allow for an abortion of that person? oh? so you are saying God is allowing this? No, God doesn't help people sin. That is the devil's job. Killing is a sin.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:16 pm
Kashinamu chaoticpuppet d~girl~4ever Even though that haven't taken a breath or air doesn't mean that they aren't human beings. A babies heart is beating just weeks after being concieved. It is wrong no matter how the person got pregnant. Are you insinuating that a beating heart is the only qualification for life? Well, it's not. There are many more functions that go into the determination of life, and death. Just to pose a really off the wall philosophy-esque question. Think about this: 1. This reality is false. 2. We are merely mental beings, and this reality is all just a farce to decieve us. 3. The only way to truly live, is to sever all physical attachements, in other words, true life comes only after death. On the topic of abortion though, think about this, if that person where truly important to god (jesus-like important) would god allow for an abortion of that person? God allows things to happen because he gave us free will. That does not mean it is ok, though. God does not delight in us murdering unborn children because we dont want them. It hurts him to see us killing off the children. ha, i wasn't paying attention, but yes I agree with you. God doesn't forsake any of His children. Though many people do.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:01 pm
I think abortion is really sad but I don't see why people think that it should be against the law. People kill animals all the time for their own pleasure but that's not against the law. To me there isn't much difference.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:02 pm
Quote: God allows things to happen because he gave us free will. That does not mean it is ok, though. God does not delight in us murdering unborn children because we dont want them. It hurts him to see us killing off the children. The "God doesn't interfere because God gave us free will" argument doesn't work for a few reasons. 1. "Natural evil". Like tsunamis. They're clearly not a result of free will, yet they cause suffering. Why does god allow this? 2. Assuming we're responsible for our own actions, does this make us responsible for another's actions? Why does God allow the fetus to die when it's free will had nothing to do with it's own death? 3. Since all events are caused or uncaused, all events are either not free or not willed. Find my argument here, or on ED, for clarification. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Anyway, my perspective on abortion is this: The fetuses do not have a developed 'self', and even if they can be considered a 'person' (if they have gotten to that stage in development), then they aren't much of one. Death isn't inherently evil, because less or more humans on the Earth does not automatically make the world a worse or better place. It's not so much the extermination of life, but the prevention of life. It can also potenially prevent suffering in some cases. I do agree that it shouldn't be taken lightly though.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:06 pm
I've heard all the free-will stuff, and many other things on this topic, but that doesn't mean we don't make the wrong choices. Many Christians do that all the time, let alone the unsaved. However, God doesn't always stop people from following through will bad choices, abortion included.
On the flip side, I do not believe God would allow for millions of people that had no chance go to Hell. I believe they have all been spared this wicked world and gone to eternity with Him. This, though, still doesn't make it right for people to kill other people vainly, whether 50 years after being born or 5 months before.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:19 pm
Death T-2 This, though, still doesn't make it right for people to kill other people vainly, whether 50 years after being born or 5 months before. I think that vainly is the key word. Sometimes, abortion isn't in vain.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:30 pm
Contingent Death T-2 This, though, still doesn't make it right for people to kill other people vainly, whether 50 years after being born or 5 months before. I think that vainly is the key word. Sometimes, abortion isn't in vain. No, vainly is the adverb. xd I'm sure you may believe that, but for me a child should be born, despite any deformaties he/she may have. One never knows how God may use them.
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