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 Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:27 pm
In the past couple of days I have had a lot on my mind, and would like to get some feedback from the community as to just what would entail a storyline going from a 'planned angle' to 'backstage politics' I know that a lot of people are going to think this is my way of silently bitching about being stripped of the LWL title but it is not, I just want to know where people stand on a few issues as I am looking to re-open UWE in the next 6 months and need to prepare myself to properly run this guild so it does not die again when I decide to relaunch.
So just a few questions I would like answered by as many people as possible.
1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions?
2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in?
3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in?
4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking?
5. Should a uild captain compete in his own guild?
6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks?
7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them?
8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild.
9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis.
10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia.
Again, this is not a forum to rant about why I should not open a guild, nor is it a stab at anyone here. I just am trying to get some information so that when UWE opens it does not flatline in the first cycle.
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:37 pm
0o-The_Arsonist-o0 In the past couple of days I have had a lot on my mind, and would like to get some feedback from the community as to just what would entail a storyline going from a 'planned angle' to 'backstage politics' I know that a lot of people are going to think this is my way of silently bitching about being stripped of the LWL title but it is not, I just want to know where people stand on a few issues as I am looking to re-open UWE in the next 6 months and need to prepare myself to properly run this guild so it does not die again when I decide to relaunch. So just a few questions I would like answered by as many people as possible. No sweat. Quote: 1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions? Management should never plan angles around top titles; title holders should. Additionally, new management shouldn't phase out current champions unless activity is an issue. Quote: 2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in? I don't see a problem with it, unless its only crew members getting all the title shots. Even then, crew members compete, and that might mean multiple crew members get opportunities. It goes back to activity. Quote: 3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in? An ear, nothing more, nothing less. Quote: 4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking? Clarification. Quote: 5. Should a uild captain compete in his own guild? The option is there. Quote: 6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks? 2 weeks. Quote: 7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them? Card-Card-Card-Card-PPV-Card-Card-etc. Quote: 8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild. So long as it didn't become the focal point of that character or the focal point of the guild, there's no issue. Quote: 9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis. Only the occasional cycle. Quote: 10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia. Good question.
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:54 pm
House shows should have a theme every once in a while.
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:37 pm
1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions?
Screams the current WWE storyline, and I keep itching to change the channel each time, so no.
No good
2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in?
I have no problems with it, provided they are active and earned it. As well as not on the booking team, or guild owner.
3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in?
It's his guild, who the ******** cares
4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking?
Many factors, inactivity, and other s**t. Blatantly screwing someone over is politicking
5. Should a guild captain compete in his own guild?
It's his guild, who the ******** cares.
6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks?
Seems the general conception is three weeks
7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them?
Four, figure out the numbers yourself.
8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild.
No
9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis.
No
10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia.
Evidently, you don't know me very well...
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:27 pm
1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions? I feel like shouldn't matter as long as it's a union of ideas between the current champion, contenders, and the owner of the guild.
A new owner shouldn't mess with plans that are already in place, but when a storyline ends if he wants to start another one with the champion then he should do what I said above. 2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in? If they have earned it then I see no problem. If you are throwing title shots at crew members left and right then I say ******** you to whoever is doing that.3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in? He/She should let the Champion decide where he wants to take it. Not like we are fighting for tv ratings and buy rates and need a certain direction to get them.4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking? One is a planned angle and the other is being a bunch of a** kissing, brown nosing, bullshitters.5. Should a guild captain compete in his own guild? If they want. Stay away from putting yourself in title matches and such.6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks? 3 weeks? I don't know. I leave it open for 3 to 4 weeks depending on stuff going on.7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them? I do two cards to four cards then a PPV.8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild. Don't really care for it.9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis. Not really.10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia. I opened a Indy/Regional Based federation. Everyone else has Mainstream or Cult Style guild.
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:49 pm
1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions?
Angles should be discussed, in detail, only between the people in said angle. As strange as it may seem, owning a guild simply to make your friends or well-liked peers champions make those titles even more meaningless than they already are.
2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in?
That's totally fine, as long as it's not exclusively crew members winning those titles.
3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in?
None whatsoever. There should be a strong emphasis on the creative genius of that champion.
4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking.
A planned angle has concise winners and losers, significant events, and emphasis on character development. Politicking is a biased change that alters any of these planned ideas to occur.
5. Should a guild captain compete in his own guild?
Not unless you do the Humble Haynie and only use yourself to put people over.
6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks?
3 weeks. Card-card-card-PPV is a good routine, imo.
7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them?
Considering each PPV card lasts about a month, I'd say only four.
8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild.
It'd be alright, however I think having one belt exist in multiple guilds would make that a more prestigious title than most major championships.
9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis.
Ehhhh, it's neither here nor there.
10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia?
I would make it tag team exclusive and only have eight teams on my roster ;__;
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:56 pm
This is really helping, keep it coming guys.
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:11 am
1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions?
Guild owners should hold some say over when a title is defended. It is their guild. However, the champion should be allowed to defend it properly and always be given a fair shake at retaining. If they're active, they should be on even footing with their opponent. Guild owners taking over should not be assholes about taking titles off certain members. As a captain, I like to help storylines along, but i personally despise, and I do mean despise, having to put every piece of a storyline together for someone. It's your storyline. All i need to know is how to book it. And i will not book something that looks unfair to someone without them being in on it, and even then i still reserve the right to change it so that one person doesn't get shafted.
2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in?
If crew earns it, they should be allowed to hold them. Said crew members should not be booking the cards, and should not be ending their own matches. I believe we've all made it a rule in our guilds that crew does not end their own matches
3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in?
It's the owner's guild. Technically, he has final say so. If the angle the headlining champion is putting out is total unrealistic bullshit, the owner is within their rights to say, "No, that's not happening in my fed." also, keep in mind, it is this person's guild. The champion does not determine the contender's in reality, the booker does. So the booker, in most cases right now that being the owner, has the right to tell the champion if the person they want to feud with is not ready to be in the main event picture.
4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking?
politicking means there's a** kissing and favortism. Meaning one person wants something and kisses up to the booker, and the booker grants it. Planned angle is a suggestion, normally between two opposing people, that the booker decides to let happen within reason.
5. Should a guild captain compete in his own guild?
depends, i prefer not to but i have for the sake of a storyline in the past.
6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks?
either or, really. depends on your preference and how active people are
7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them?
i'd say four PPVs. do your own math on the cycles in between
8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild.
pain in my a**, i'd rather focus on my own guild's titles, not someone else's. I don't really want to have to consult someone else if their belt is on the line in my guild.
9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis.
10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia.
there's not much that hasn't been done. Your focus in starting a fed, at this date, should be making it an interesting enough place where storylines can develop. It's your fed, after all, so it should be run how you want it. If you want all extreme rules, ******** go for it. If you want regular matches more than gimmick and extreme matches, go for it. If you want to use a point system, have fun with that. In the end, you are the owner and possibly the booker. Your fed is your baby, to use words Chrono has used in the past. Mold it how you see fit and hope it works.
putting in some other notes here:
your personal s**t does not take place in my guild. If someone has off gaia beef, settle that s**t off gaia. Don't bring it to my guild attempting to get me to side with you to get some form of moral victory over another person. Your personal life is generally not my concern. This is a pastime for me, something that is supposed to be fun to do. I don't take this so seriously that if one of you pisses me off in real life I feel the need to somehow shaft you in a gaia storyline to make myself feel better. That's stupid and petty and I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm too old for that s**t.
Don't whine about losing streaks or supposed unfair treatment if you know the booker of a guild does not like you for good reason and has never thought highly of your roleplaying ability. Especially if you were given fair opportunities elsewhere but chose to ignore the places that gave you the opportunities you were looking for. STFU and deal with it.
also understand, i give no ******** this day or any other who gets offended by me pointing these things out in my additional notes. Again, this is taken far too seriously. The point in these feds from day one has been to have fun. Too much value is being placed on titles that do not actually exist for things we do not get paid to do. A large number of us are adults here. It's far past time we act like it. It's cool to joke around childishly. It's a joke. But always remember your real age and act like it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:01 am
1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions?
I think it could work as long as the story makes both competitors look good and they have fun. Only if the guild is rebooting or the champs are inactive.
2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in?
If the crew members are active and pumping out good storylines in the guild why not?? As long as the person who has the belt is active and makes it interesting they should be rewarded regardless of whether they're crew or not.
3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in?
Basically what Jarel said
4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking?
One is a** kissing and the other is a series of events planned far ahead of time
5. Should a guild captain compete in his own guild?
If they choose to sure why not? I'm not saying they should go and win the main belt and never drop it, just if they want to compete let them, and if they win a title they should only be a place holder champion for like a card or lose it right then and there like a cash in or someone calls them out etc.
6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks?
I go for one month cards but 3 weeks seems to work pretty good
7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them?
At least 3
8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild.
They can happen but they're kind of a hassle to have just because they need to go through several channels etc.
9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis. <******** no
10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia.
With my guilds CWL and XDWE I introduced concepts mostly seen in Mexican Lucha promotions or Japanese Puro promotions. Things like Luchas De Apuesta, Jaula De Terror, Naniwa Style Battle Royales, a stronger emphasis on Junior Heavyweight divisions, I also tried to introduced what is essentially known as Stable Warfare and even tried to do comedy wrestling ala Dramatic Dream Team.
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:01 pm
I answer all of your questions with, it's your fed, go nuts! blaugh
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:26 pm
0o-The_Arsonist-o0 1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions? Bookers should not be planning too much in the line of angles. Bookers make the cards, and help promote the storylines -others- create. If they want the management to get involved, then by all means do so. Aside from that, the guild is there to provide people a grounds for new storylines, concepts, and areas to compete. Nothing more. 2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in? Considering the population of the community, unless you're running the guild by yourself (like I am with BBW), you're not gonna be able to avoid this all the time.3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in? The guild management has minor control on this; for example, if the champion is super-inactive, you need a way to strip him. That's actually about it. 4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking? Every party is in the know about what they need to know, and how it will affect them.5. Should a guild captain compete in his own guild? Lower-Mid card, nothing more in my opinion.6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks? 3 weeks is what's working for BBW right now.7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them? 4 major PPVs, plan the rest accordingly.8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild. I would say it's basically a cheap ripoff of YPIIAC and heavily advise you to let that be it's own thing, instead of trying to encroach upon a good idea. FFA has a solid reason for doing it, as it's on a strict PPV-show only kind of set-up. No other guild has plausible reason for this besides being a cheap plug. You want blunt honesty, that's it.9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis. No. 10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia. Considering I have started a fed, I used the concept that I've been trying to implement since being a booker at OECW: outdoor elements. As far as I know, BBW is now the only guild to implement such an idea. And honestly, it better stay that way. Come up with your own idea. neutral Again, this is not a forum to rant about why I should not open a guild, nor is it a stab at anyone here. I just am trying to get some information so that when UWE opens it does not flatline in the first cycle. Then here's some advise:
1. Don't title this thread as an open forum, then restrict it. Really just wanted to stab at your concept of 'open forum' there.
2. Judging by how you suddenly drop off of the face of the planet for periods every month, worse than anyone else I've seen, I would suggest fixing that before thinking of opening a guild.
3. If the guild is already created with a concept, don't try to change it. If it's a reboot, chances are it's going to fail anyways.
4. Don't use -any- idea another guild is implementing. At all. Don't take it and try to put some spin on it. If you're really gonna start another guild, do something others are -not- doing.
5. I feel like you -are- opening up this UWE because you're not happy with whatever happened to you in another guild. If that's the case, you're running with the 'I can do it better' mentality and you're going to fail. Running a guild isn't some huge competition against others.
6. Someone's gonna say it, so I will first. I would heavily not advise opening a guild at the moment. There are plenty of guilds currently struggling with activity, and during this time of the year it's understandable. People have school and other duties. Let other guilds maintain some form of activity. Just my opinion on that.
7. If you're going to go through with this honestly dimwitted idea, do not just open up and start throwing invites in peoples' faces. Make sure you're going to have the support and means to actually book more than two matches.
8. Implement anything CWA, ICW, EWA, BBW, E:E, WWF:G, FFA, PWS, LWL, DHW, or any other guild I adore's main ideas, you will not hear the end of it from me.
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:57 pm
Punkology 0o-The_Arsonist-o0 1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions? Bookers should not be planning too much in the line of angles. Bookers make the cards, and help promote the storylines -others- create. If they want the management to get involved, then by all means do so. Aside from that, the guild is there to provide people a grounds for new storylines, concepts, and areas to compete. Nothing more. 2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in? Considering the population of the community, unless you're running the guild by yourself (like I am with BBW), you're not gonna be able to avoid this all the time.3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in? The guild management has minor control on this; for example, if the champion is super-inactive, you need a way to strip him. That's actually about it. 4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking? Every party is in the know about what they need to know, and how it will affect them.5. Should a guild captain compete in his own guild? Lower-Mid card, nothing more in my opinion.6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks? 3 weeks is what's working for BBW right now.7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them? 4 major PPVs, plan the rest accordingly.8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild. I would say it's basically a cheap ripoff of YPIIAC and heavily advise you to let that be it's own thing, instead of trying to encroach upon a good idea. FFA has a solid reason for doing it, as it's on a strict PPV-show only kind of set-up. No other guild has plausible reason for this besides being a cheap plug. You want blunt honesty, that's it.9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis. No. 10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia. Considering I have started a fed, I used the concept that I've been trying to implement since being a booker at OECW: outdoor elements. As far as I know, BBW is now the only guild to implement such an idea. And honestly, it better stay that way. Come up with your own idea. neutral Again, this is not a forum to rant about why I should not open a guild, nor is it a stab at anyone here. I just am trying to get some information so that when UWE opens it does not flatline in the first cycle. Then here's some advise:
1. Don't title this thread as an open forum, then restrict it. Really just wanted to stab at your concept of 'open forum' there.
2. Judging by how you suddenly drop off of the face of the planet for periods every month, worse than anyone else I've seen, I would suggest fixing that before thinking of opening a guild.
3. If the guild is already created with a concept, don't try to change it. If it's a reboot, chances are it's going to fail anyways.
4. Don't use -any- idea another guild is implementing. At all. Don't take it and try to put some spin on it. If you're really gonna start another guild, do something others are -not- doing.
5. I feel like you -are- opening up this UWE because you're not happy with whatever happened to you in another guild. If that's the case, you're running with the 'I can do it better' mentality and you're going to fail. Running a guild isn't some huge competition against others.
6. Someone's gonna say it, so I will first. I would heavily not advise opening a guild at the moment. There are plenty of guilds currently struggling with activity, and during this time of the year it's understandable. People have school and other duties. Let other guilds maintain some form of activity. Just my opinion on that.
7. If you're going to go through with this honestly dimwitted idea, do not just open up and start throwing invites in peoples' faces. Make sure you're going to have the support and means to actually book more than two matches.
8. Implement anything CWA, ICW, EWA, BBW, E:E, WWF:G, FFA, PWS, LWL, DHW, or any other guild I adore's main ideas, you will not hear the end of it from me.To add to the last bit from my end, if you'd like to utilize something from CWA, I'm cool with it; just ask me about it first.
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:10 pm
1. How do you feel about guild management planning angles around the top title of a guild? And is it appropriate for guild owners that take over existing guilds to plan angles that phase out current Champions?
I think it is appropriate sometimes, yes. I think that title reigns, especially of the top title, should be a cooperative effort. When you're world champion, you're basically as close to the top of the guild as you can be without BEING the owner, and you got there for a reason. The majority of the time, you should be able to come up with your own stories, but a guild owner should have final say over title changes. I wouldn't want my champion to go planning a big story where a title changes 7 times between two or three people, for example.
2. How do you feel about crew members holding titles in guilds they are crew in?
If they're active and they earned it because of their activity, then there's no harm no foul.
3. How much authority should a guild owner have when it comes to deciding what direction his headlining Champion takes the guild in?
See question 1.
4. Define what makes a planned angle different from politicking?
I had to edit this answer in because it took a lot of thought. But the rest of the open forum seems to have nailed it pretty well. One is something that is thought out and planned out, everyone knows their role and what the story being made is.
The other is hijacking, favoritism, not being fair, etc.
5. Should a guild captain compete in his own guild?
He should be allowed to, but should only be champion if he is active and within terms of the story. You and the community are all going to know a good captain from a bad one by judging if he's held his own world title, why he has, how long he did, and how many times he has.
6. What cycle length works best in a guild? 2 weeks or 3 weeks?
Who knows. Two to three weeks? Open ended?
7. How many PPV's a year is sufficient, and how many cycles between them?
This depends on your guild and it's activity and the way you build storylines. Make sure the people making the stories KNOW how many weeks/cycles they have to make their story as good as it can be.
8. If you are a guild captain, how would you feel about a guild featuring a title (similar to the YPIIAC title) in which the holder would be able to carry said belt in other feds. This would of course be pending the approval of the respective guild owners if they wanted this title in their guild.
Listen, I'm already expirmenting with this with the FFA titles, and as far as I can tell, it's extremely hit and miss. Some people despise the idea, some people are really okay with it. But it's too young of an idea to tell, and if I were you I wouldn't do it.
9. Are you interested in a federation that features a roulette style match selection? Think FG's Place Your Bets on a cycle to cycle basis.
Not really. Sometimes, not often.
10. If you were starting a fed, how would you make it different form any other fed on Gaia.
I already did this.
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:11 pm
Dion Necurat To add to the last bit from my end, if you'd like to utilize something from CWA, I'm cool with it; just ask me about it first. I'm the same way.
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:42 pm
I called it open forum because anyone could answer...
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